Yeah, is there anyone here who has mastered lucid dreaming. IE always has lucid dreams whenever their asleep, or can always WILD perfectly?
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Yeah, is there anyone here who has mastered lucid dreaming. IE always has lucid dreams whenever their asleep, or can always WILD perfectly?
Don't think there is anyone who is ALWAYS lucid unless they are already naturals, heck even the naturals have slips due to stress and life situations. Also, WILD perfectly as in whenever you want? That ain't always lucid.
I have developed a product for just that.
Hi I would have to agree with Hukif..I am a natural lucid dreamer and have been since a small child, and I also do WILD naturally without trying, but even I have nights when I don't lucid dream and also have nights when I don't slip into a WILD..not sure there are many that can do it to perfection..To Master lucid dreaming does not mean you have to have it every night etc..and also it also has to do with being able to controll in your dreams and so fourth. Even the most talented lucid dreamers can go through dry patches and sometimes fail in their attempts. But if you mean "naturals" I think there are a few of us about :)
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any natural LDer who's got a 100% success rate. There are so many different factors that play a part in whether we become lucid, that even the most experienced WILDers - that have been here over the years - have had many failed attempts. I've been lucid dreaming off and on since I was a kid (mostly DILD. I suck horribly @ WILDs), and I can have spells where I can have maybe 5 or so in a week (give or take), but I still don't feel like I've "mastered" it. I have some wicked dry spells, and some pretty epic dream control failures. Honestly, with so many variables that our lucid state (and subsequent control) consists of, I'd find it hard to believe anyone that would say they had the whole '100% lucidity/control, whenever I want' thing down.
Well, can anyone have them everday? What is the longest time you ever spent in a ld?
Where can I find it?Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmCoder
"Halographs" - Coming Soon™
@IamCoder
Tell us more about it, :D thanks
halographs?
I WANTZ SUM!!
Halographs are headbands with sensors in them. The data from the sensors is monitored in real time by Lucid Scribe, a freeware app that runs on a laptop or netbook next to your bed and triggers a song when it detects REM sleep.
Here is a 60 second snapshot of one of my recent dreams (I am also just starting, literally - yesterday, an open research database [LSDBase] where I, and soon others will post Lucid Scribe Data files for further research):
http://lsdbase.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/sample.png
The start of fREM is where it detected blinking and played Voodoo People by The Prodigy. The subsequent pause indicates lucidity and then liftoff.
:shadewink:
If you want some you are welcome to pre-order so long. The Halograph Frequency Monitor will be the first to market, as it is the only one with which I have consistent success so far.
Have them every day is easier, I can do that most of the time... and most naturals can I guess. Also, halographs will be governed by money so still not a sure method.
Have you done any proper tests on people with this stuff? I've seen the thing which goes over your eyes and LEDs blink at a time considered REM but this music one seems quite good, sort of like mixing inception with REM, the only thing is before i was to consider purchasing one i would like to see results on lucid dreamers, new - amateur and expert alike, although i do beleive this item could work despite it being a marketable thing as i've had my dreams influenced by external sound before such as rain or my dog barking.
I would like to see results first though but hey, that doesn't mean to say i wouldn't be happy being a test subject ;)
Also are we allowed actual information on how these sensors actually work, as i am aware the REM period is a massive burst of acetylcholine in the brain and your eyes have rapid eye movement since they aren't affected by paralysis like the rest of your body, do the sensors detect the eye movement?
Also, the price? Sorry if it's a lot of forward questions :P but i'm one of many who like to know details before parting with cash :)
IamCoder;
man you have to give us the app to test it, you can't test it alone :)
and a limited free-apps for us :)
I agree with this. Even the most professional applications don't usually hit the floor without open-source testing. You have to test your product over a wide range of subjects - even if just for a limited time - not just yourself. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by marwanin
I think of lucid dreaming as an art. To that end it can never be mastered because the possibilities are endless. I'm pretty much as proficient as a natural lucid dreamer gets (I can get around 1-3 LDs per night with detailed and authentic experiences) and still I make no attempt to claim that I am a "master."
WILD requires mental discipline and rigour. No human alive has that level of mental control, therefore they can not pull off "perfect WILDs."
:O the trademark of coming soon? This should be goodQuote:
Originally Posted by IAmCoder
Hmmm. Let this be my inaugural post.
It seems to me that an important point is being missed here.
Mastering some skills, having some talent, engaging in practice
of one sort or another ... all fine and good.
It is my suggestion that perhaps mastery arises when one let's
go and it is no longer about lucid dreaming in and of itself. When
one climbs out of the box, it is another world out there.
I could buy a sky high stack of DVDs (only the good ones of
course) and sit in my recliner and watch them from now
through eternity, becoming smarter and more compassionate
all the while.
Its kinda like reincarnating countless times; each time growing
a wee bit and experiencing new terrain and interaction.
In my own dream work, my question is: "where am I going
with this?" I think mastery arises from how well we are
addressing that question.
What's out there?
I certainly have plenty enough movie scenes or personally
contrived and imagined scenes that I would be happy to
experience in a dream or lucid dream or beyond. (Of
course, the cosmos manages to sock me with dreams
more profound than I am typically able to imagine; on a
regular basis.)
However amazing any of the experiences may be, the question
before me always lingers: Where am I going with this?
I feel that is what mastery is all about.
All the best,
SkyeRanger
Great idea, but remember that these machines only give the dreamer an enhanced opportunity to lucid dream; you still need discipline, intent, self-awareness, and all the rest of the stuff required to actually realize you are dreaming when the song is played.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmCoder
That is an excellent point, and likely the best answer to Lucidadic's original question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePieMan
Also, as SkyRanger notes, perhaps mastery of LD'ing is something bigger than just being able to have them...perhaps the real masters are the people who are able to use this state to develop their skills and self-awareness to a point where they actually transcend the experience of dreaming and enter something else altogether. Isn't quality far more important to the master than quantity?
Not yet, all I have so far is over 100 recordings of my sleep. My wife and son are next. :vampire:Quote:
Originally Posted by lucydity
That can be arranged. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lucydity
And I appreciate the need to "see results on lucid dreamers, new - amateur and expert alike". That is what LSDBase will be all about.
Halograph Frequency Monitor:Quote:
Originally Posted by lucydity
- Resolution: 3660µg
- Measurement Range: ±5g (49 m/s2)
Since the sensor is sensitive enough to pick up your heartbeat from your head when you are resting, the motion caused from blinking is much more powerful and the distinct pattern is easily noticed. Although it took me many moons to come up with a good algorithm to automatically detect it.
$256 for the full model with embedded headphones. I am considering making a stripped down model for under $200. And I may also release detailed specs for poor students who are able to build their own and wish to save a $20.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucydity
All profits will go towards researching related technologies and making it more accessible and affordable to those who follow.:whistle:
Sure; Lucid Scribe 0.9.2 BETA. It is free, as in beer. But only picks up your CPU usage by default - it requires plugins that you can write yourself for other hardware. I am almost finished with version 0.9.3 - it will be required for viewing files from LSDBase.Quote:
Originally Posted by marwanin
Agreed. So please download Lucid Scribe and let me know if it works on your machine. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Truth to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
Therefore, part of the software suite will include exercises that build discipline, intent, self-awareness, and all the rest of the stuff. One example: I am working an a new feature for Liquid Dream that requires the user to log a quick fast-rewind summary of the day's activities on a graph with 24 hours that has been twisted in the shape of the infinity sign.
Very simple and you could just as well do it in notepad or even your head, but having an app that walks you through it and rewards you with monthly charts just makes you more likely to stick to it long enough. The benefit being super-human memory (of dreams too) and the ability to focus on an intention long enough.
Sounds good and able to pick up my heartbeat from my head is a very intresting thing indeed, kind of makes the price speak for itself though :P going to university soon so i think i may have to leave that idea for a while, although if many lucid dreamers do try the product and the results are excellent then i may look into it.
Of those 100 recordings of yourself how much has it helped your lucid dreaming improve? also will there be the ability to customise the song played? not that i dont like voodoo people but i think i would get too excited if im dreaming im in a club and voodoo people comes on lol.
Well I can lucid dream about every other day now, and I use WILD to induce these lucid dreams. So if you have any questions about lucid dreaming or WILDing you can always PM me :)
So far it has improved my awareness more than my dreaming; it has been a while since I have missed a beat of my heart.
You will be able to customize the song or even use a voice recording when it is complete, just like with the REM Cycles in Liquid Dream.
Cool. Sounds like you have this all mapped out! Good luck with it -- I mean that, too, because any tool to help people enter this world is most welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmCoder
Cloud is a natural LDer. I know of one other, as well. I'd say it's different from being a master as mastering LDing takes some work. I'd say Mastery is more in the control and techniques you utilize.
I'm new to the site, but I'm a natural LDer. I would have to agree that no one is really a 'master LDer', but rather people have varying degrees of LDing experience. I've just recently discovered that my kind of dreaming is called lucid dreaming, and that some people actually work to have LD's (it's still sort of setting in for me, as I still think of it as a normal thing, and no offence to anyone who isn't a natural but also really easy). For me I just go to bed thinking about what I want to dream about and I dream about it, changing things throughout the dream as I see fit. Since I've never actually tried to LD or used any sort of method I wouldn't consider myself a master, but rather just someone who is lucky. You all (people who are aware of what LD's are, and who actively try to have them) are extremely admirable. C:
You're so lucky. It must be nice to have a place inside your mind where you can go every night just to be free. I hit a really bad dry spell, so getting lucid is really tough for the time being. Even then I can only have around 3 a month. Are you good with control and stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voluptuously
Welcome to DV, by the way. Hope you enjoy it here. :)
Heh. Yeah. I feel so bad because I've always taken it for granted. I dream about silly stuff like going dates with my bf (not quite that silly since he currently lives in Cali, while I'm living in Fl so we haven't gotten to go out for some time), but even so I never even thought about how wonderful it would be to learn to do it if it wasn't something you did unconsciously. I have always loved it though, I sleep a lot, and take naps often. i'm so sorry that must be terrible. Do you use some sort of method or something? I didn't know my younger brother and sister (twins) couldn't lucid dream so I sort of taught them to when they were having a series of bad nightmares. I just made up a story with them and told them to finish it in their sleep and they did, and I made them tell me how it finished when they woke up. (not a real technique I know, but it worked for them.) Anywho good luck on your LDing! I think it's amazing what you guys are doing. I guess I'm good with control. I kind of treat my dreams like a movie or book I'm writing or directing. I have a good idea of what I want it to be like, and If I don't like something going on or get a better idea, i'll sort of like rewind it and change it or just fast-forward. .-. Sorry for typing so much. And Thanks for the welcome. This site is really cool so far. C:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthonyyy0
Well there's lots of methods for inducing lucid dreams. DILD (Dream induced lucid dream) involves doing reality checks (basically tests to see if you're dreaming during waking life), MILD (mnemonically induced lucid dream) involves repeating a phrase or mantra to yourself that's supposed to work it's way into your mind and make you lucid, and the last but moat intriguing way is a WILD (Wake initiated Lucid Dream, I believe). You actually go straight from being awake to going into a dream immediately. Right now I use DILD, which is probably the most common technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voluptuously
Thanks, hope I can have a lucid soon (tonight maybe? :P), there's so much stuff I want to do.
Heh. Yeah I sorta glanced through them on the noobie thread. They all sound pretty interesting. I've actually tried WILD a while ago, but the was in an attempt to experience the hallucinations before the dreaming. I didn't realize that it was a way to lucid dream, it just seemed like regular dreaming. :l Anywho lots of luck on the dreaming! I'm sure you'll do it. Goodnight, and Sweet dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthonyyy0
I don't think anyone can have a lucid dream every night. At least with a DILD.
WILDs however are different. t
I'm fairly certain i've had lucid dreams pretty much every night, and nap since I can remember, although before recently I've never thought of my dreams as that. I don't really use a technique. WILD or DILD. From what I've read though I understand what you mean. If I were trying to have a LD I imagine using DILD thing would be rather uneffective for me. If I didn't know I was dreaming I can't umagine I'd think to check. Whichever works for you though I wish you the best of luck. C:Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBoi
Welcome to Dream Views, Voluptuously. :>Quote:
Originally Posted by Voluptuously
Actually, DILD is just a 'dream induced lucid dream'. This is the same as just being in a dream and looking around and noticing 'hey, I'm in a dream.' It's just a lucid dream that you realize is a dream, while you're actually in a dream. It's a pretty broad term, really. But even if you are lucid every night - unless you are consciously going from fully awake and into your lucid dream while your body falls asleep, you are likely having a DILD. :)
Oh cool. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut