Thread: Any master LD'ers out there?

Don't think there is anyone who is ALWAYS lucid unless they are already naturals, heck even the naturals have slips due to stress and life situations. Also, WILD perfectly as in whenever you want? That ain't always lucid.

I have developed a product for just that.

Hi I would have to agree with Hukif..I am a natural lucid dreamer and have been since a small child, and I also do WILD naturally without trying, but even I have nights when I don't lucid dream and also have nights when I don't slip into a WILD..not sure there are many that can do it to perfection..To Master lucid dreaming does not mean you have to have it every night etc..and also it also has to do with being able to controll in your dreams and so fourth. Even the most talented lucid dreamers can go through dry patches and sometimes fail in their attempts. But if you mean "naturals" I think there are a few of us about

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any natural LDer who's got a 100% success rate. There are so many different factors that play a part in whether we become lucid, that even the most experienced WILDers - that have been here over the years - have had many failed attempts. I've been lucid dreaming off and on since I was a kid (mostly DILD. I suck horribly @ WILDs), and I can have spells where I can have maybe 5 or so in a week (give or take), but I still don't feel like I've "mastered" it. I have some wicked dry spells, and some pretty epic dream control failures. Honestly, with so many variables that our lucid state (and subsequent control) consists of, I'd find it hard to believe anyone that would say they had the whole '100% lucidity/control, whenever I want' thing down.

Well, can anyone have them everday? What is the longest time you ever spent in a ld?

Originally Posted by IAmCoder

I have developed a product for just that.

Where can I find it?

"Halographs" - Coming Soon™

@IamCoder

Tell us more about it, thanks

halographs?

I WANTZ SUM!!

Halographs are headbands with sensors in them. The data from the sensors is monitored in real time by Lucid Scribe, a freeware app that runs on a laptop or netbook next to your bed and triggers a song when it detects REM sleep.

Here is a 60 second snapshot of one of my recent dreams (I am also just starting, literally - yesterday, an open research database [LSDBase] where I, and soon others will post Lucid Scribe Data files for further research):

The start of fREM is where it detected blinking and played Voodoo People by The Prodigy. The subsequent pause indicates lucidity and then liftoff.



If you want some you are welcome to pre-order so long. The Halograph Frequency Monitor will be the first to market, as it is the only one with which I have consistent success so far.

Have them every day is easier, I can do that most of the time... and most naturals can I guess. Also, halographs will be governed by money so still not a sure method.

Have you done any proper tests on people with this stuff? I've seen the thing which goes over your eyes and LEDs blink at a time considered REM but this music one seems quite good, sort of like mixing inception with REM, the only thing is before i was to consider purchasing one i would like to see results on lucid dreamers, new - amateur and expert alike, although i do beleive this item could work despite it being a marketable thing as i've had my dreams influenced by external sound before such as rain or my dog barking.

I would like to see results first though but hey, that doesn't mean to say i wouldn't be happy being a test subject

Also are we allowed actual information on how these sensors actually work, as i am aware the REM period is a massive burst of acetylcholine in the brain and your eyes have rapid eye movement since they aren't affected by paralysis like the rest of your body, do the sensors detect the eye movement?

Also, the price? Sorry if it's a lot of forward questions but i'm one of many who like to know details before parting with cash

IamCoder;

man you have to give us the app to test it, you can't test it alone

and a limited free-apps for us

Originally Posted by marwanin

IamCoder;

man you have to give us the app to test it, you can't test it alone

and a limited free-apps for us

I agree with this. Even the most professional applications don't usually hit the floor without open-source testing. You have to test your product over a wide range of subjects - even if just for a limited time - not just yourself.

I think of lucid dreaming as an art. To that end it can never be mastered because the possibilities are endless. I'm pretty much as proficient as a natural lucid dreamer gets (I can get around 1-3 LDs per night with detailed and authentic experiences) and still I make no attempt to claim that I am a "master."

WILD requires mental discipline and rigour. No human alive has that level of mental control, therefore they can not pull off "perfect WILDs."

Originally Posted by IAmCoder

"Halographs" - Coming Soon™

:O the trademark of coming soon? This should be good

Hmmm. Let this be my inaugural post.

It seems to me that an important point is being missed here.

Mastering some skills, having some talent, engaging in practice
of one sort or another ... all fine and good.

It is my suggestion that perhaps mastery arises when one let's
go and it is no longer about lucid dreaming in and of itself. When
one climbs out of the box, it is another world out there.

I could buy a sky high stack of DVDs (only the good ones of
course) and sit in my recliner and watch them from now
through eternity, becoming smarter and more compassionate
all the while.

Its kinda like reincarnating countless times; each time growing
a wee bit and experiencing new terrain and interaction.

In my own dream work, my question is: "where am I going
with this?" I think mastery arises from how well we are
addressing that question.

What's out there?

I certainly have plenty enough movie scenes or personally
contrived and imagined scenes that I would be happy to
experience in a dream or lucid dream or beyond. (Of
course, the cosmos manages to sock me with dreams
more profound than I am typically able to imagine; on a
regular basis.)

However amazing any of the experiences may be, the question
before me always lingers: Where am I going with this?

I feel that is what mastery is all about.

All the best,
SkyeRanger

Originally Posted by IAmCoder

Halographs are headbands with sensors in them. The data from the sensors is monitored in real time by Lucid Scribe, a freeware app that runs on a laptop or netbook next to your bed and triggers a song when it detects REM sleep.

If you want some you are welcome to pre-order so long. The Halograph Frequency Monitor will be the first to market, as it is the only one with which I have consistent success so far.

Great idea, but remember that these machines only give the dreamer an enhanced opportunity to lucid dream; you still need discipline, intent, self-awareness, and all the rest of the stuff required to actually realize you are dreaming when the song is played.

Originally Posted by ThePieMan

I think of lucid dreaming as an art. To that end it can never be mastered because the possibilities are endless. I'm pretty much as proficient as a natural lucid dreamer gets (I can get around 1-3 LDs per night with detailed and authentic experiences) and still I make no attempt to claim that I am a "master."

WILD requires mental discipline and rigour. No human alive has that level of mental control, therefore they can not pull off "perfect WILDs."

That is an excellent point, and likely the best answer to Lucidadic's original question.

Also, as SkyRanger notes, perhaps mastery of LD'ing is something bigger than just being able to have them...perhaps the real masters are the people who are able to use this state to develop their skills and self-awareness to a point where they actually transcend the experience of dreaming and enter something else altogether. Isn't quality far more important to the master than quantity?

Originally Posted by lucydity

Have you done any proper tests on people with this stuff?

Not yet, all I have so far is over 100 recordings of my sleep. My wife and son are next.

Originally Posted by lucydity

I've seen the thing which goes over your eyes and LEDs blink at a time considered REM but this music one seems quite good, sort of like mixing inception with REM, the only thing is before i was to consider purchasing one i would like to see results on lucid dreamers, new - amateur and expert alike, although i do beleive this item could work despite it being a marketable thing as i've had my dreams influenced by external sound before such as rain or my dog barking.

I would like to see results first though but hey, that doesn't mean to say i wouldn't be happy being a test subject

That can be arranged.

And I appreciate the need to "see results on lucid dreamers, new - amateur and expert alike". That is what LSDBase will be all about.

Originally Posted by lucydity

Also are we allowed actual information on how these sensors actually work, as i am aware the REM period is a massive burst of acetylcholine in the brain and your eyes have rapid eye movement since they aren't affected by paralysis like the rest of your body, do the sensors detect the eye movement?

Halograph Frequency Monitor:
- Resolution: 3660µg
- Measurement Range: ±5g (49 m/s2)

Since the sensor is sensitive enough to pick up your heartbeat from your head when you are resting, the motion caused from blinking is much more powerful and the distinct pattern is easily noticed. Although it took me many moons to come up with a good algorithm to automatically detect it.

Originally Posted by lucydity

Also, the price? Sorry if it's a lot of forward questions but i'm one of many who like to know details before parting with cash

$256 for the full model with embedded headphones. I am considering making a stripped down model for under $200. And I may also release detailed specs for poor students who are able to build their own and wish to save a $20.

All profits will go towards researching related technologies and making it more accessible and affordable to those who follow.

Originally Posted by marwanin

IamCoder;

man you have to give us the app to test it, you can't test it alone

and a limited free-apps for us

Sure; Lucid Scribe 0.9.2 BETA. It is free, as in beer. But only picks up your CPU usage by default - it requires plugins that you can write yourself for other hardware. I am almost finished with version 0.9.3 - it will be required for viewing files from LSDBase.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I agree with this. Even the most professional applications don't usually hit the floor without open-source testing. You have to test your product over a wide range of subjects - even if just for a limited time - not just yourself.

Agreed. So please download Lucid Scribe and let me know if it works on your machine. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated!

Originally Posted by Sageous

Great idea, but remember that these machines only give the dreamer an enhanced opportunity to lucid dream; you still need discipline, intent, self-awareness, and all the rest of the stuff required to actually realize you are dreaming when the song is played.

Truth to that.

Therefore, part of the software suite will include exercises that build discipline, intent, self-awareness, and all the rest of the stuff. One example: I am working an a new feature for Liquid Dream that requires the user to log a quick fast-rewind summary of the day's activities on a graph with 24 hours that has been twisted in the shape of the infinity sign.

Very simple and you could just as well do it in notepad or even your head, but having an app that walks you through it and rewards you with monthly charts just makes you more likely to stick to it long enough. The benefit being super-human memory (of dreams too) and the ability to focus on an intention long enough.

Sounds good and able to pick up my heartbeat from my head is a very intresting thing indeed, kind of makes the price speak for itself though going to university soon so i think i may have to leave that idea for a while, although if many lucid dreamers do try the product and the results are excellent then i may look into it.

Of those 100 recordings of yourself how much has it helped your lucid dreaming improve? also will there be the ability to customise the song played? not that i dont like voodoo people but i think i would get too excited if im dreaming im in a club and voodoo people comes on lol.

Well I can lucid dream about every other day now, and I use WILD to induce these lucid dreams. So if you have any questions about lucid dreaming or WILDing you can always PM me