Being vulnerable in dreams

I've seen here lately a lot about raping and killing in dreams. Some even seem to make these goals and aspire to them. This does not seem psychologically sound to me. To me it seems a lack of control and self confidence in waking life.

I've dreamed about being invaded. I've dreamed about being chased, and I actually dreamed I was killed once. Only once did I act back out of frustration. I'll tell of that in a minute. Always before, I could run or get away. Try to create walls and I can fly. Take away my car or body, I can create new ones.

It is I think quite juvenile to want to harm or hurt, injure or rape others in dreams.

Overall. Yet there was this one DC. He put me in a chair. He tortured me in many ways. I was lucid, but scared as hell. He got out a big electric drill and was going to drill out my eyes. I broke then. I ripped out of my ropes he had bound me with and grabbed him by the arms and threw him against a wall.

He turned into a rope of light and when he hit the wall he splintered into myriads of light fragments. I was completely stunned. He turned into a human again and I went over to him and shook his hand and said "thank you for the lesson" He shook my hand and said "Sure, no problem. I am just doing my job"

The majority of people on this site are juveniles. How silly of them to be so juvenile... :roll:

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Originally Posted by Darkmatters

The majority of people on this site are juveniles. How silly of them to be so juvenile... :roll:

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But are the majority of juveniles wanting to hurt, maim, injure and rape others in dreams? I really hope not for their own sakes.

I can see your point but I also can see the point of people who do it. Yes, some people want to do these things, wether they really have these desires in real life or just think its fun to do it in dreams, only they know. At least there committing these things in there dreams, not in real life. As long as it stays in a dream, it doesn't bother me.

I myself in a dream have no interest in hurting DCs. I have a game with my friend though. There mostly males, raised in the *gang life and they do abuse others and get abused themselves. I have been RPing this game with my friend for 4 years. I want to feel this game more, I want to feel more like the characters rather then just talking about what they do. So, once I found out about lucid dreaming, I realized I could do that.

I don't think anything is wrong with me personally.*

It is JUST a dream, completely fictional. If they want to do that, let them, I've never done any of that, because it's not something that I enjoy, but I couldn't care less if someone else wanted to do that, as long as it was just a dream thing. That's just my point of view though.

Maaaaaan, oh well here we go.

First, so long as nobody is confusing reality/dream there should be no problem, because anyone who makes the distinction knows they are only working with themselves and as such, it isn't so much rape as it is just masturbation, and it isn't so much hurt as it is playing around.
Now for killing, do you know how many things someone may learn through killing depending on their career? Not only that, just being on those situations can help people to evade dangerous situations.

The real problem is being unable to distinguish between dreams and reality (Which would be the opposite of LDing) or do it because of an already, present mental illness that without the proper meds might go out of control, like it happened to the dude in Arizona I think.

In the video game Saint's Row 2, I enjoy headshotting pedestrians with my pistol from as far away as possible, and then jumping out of helicopters. In Team Fortress 2, I like to sneak up behind people and stab them in the back as a Spy (or shoot arrows through their skulls as a Sniper). Yet in real life, I do none of these things and I know that the people who do do these things are abhorrent individuals who deserve life in prison.

In real life, there are real consequences to one's actions that can negatively affect another individual, and this feeling of empathy stops us from going kill crazy. In dreams, you're interacting with figments of your own imagination, figments who are as real as the pedestrians in Saint's Row 2. Thus, one is completely free to experiment and live out their own fantasies. Who hasn't ever contemplated how awesome it would be to be the protagonist in an action movie?

As for rape, experimentation in dreams can help one discover one's kinks. Rape in the real world is a complex crime that focuses mostly on feelings such as anger and a sadistic desire for control, whereas rape in lucid dreams seems to be, at least in my opinion, a method of experimentation and possibly an outlet for people whose fantasies may include illicit or dangerous activities.

In conclusion, I see no reason to suggest that most people interested in performing socially unacceptable activities in dreams are mentally unwell.

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Originally Posted by eldante

It is I think quite juvenile to want to harm or hurt, injure or rape others in dreams.

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I think you're making the mistake of equating moderate, fictional violence with the actual desire to hurt people. The two are not synonymous, and I believe you should learn to understand the difference, before critiquing others.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I think you're making the mistake of equating moderate, fictional violence with the actual desire to hurt people. The two are not synonymous, and I believe you should learn to understand the difference, before critiquing others.

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I curse you for putting in 2 sentences what took me 4 paragraphs to say. Sorry, off-topic.

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Originally Posted by kookyinc

I curse you for putting in 2 sentences what took me 4 paragraphs to say. Sorry, off-topic.

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If it's any consolation to you, it was very well said. :cheeky: