how do you remain conscious

yesterday i tried my first WBTB wanting to do a WILD , i woke up after 4h 40mins i think , stayed awake for 20 mins , saying mantras and thinking about dreams then i went to bed again and started counting from 100 to 1 , as i reached 80 i just thought ok i never tried to go into SP consciously but i think it will take longer than the 100 im counting to reach it so let's start counting after a few minutes , then i fell asleep :/
so how do you keep conscious and if i had continued counting would i reach SP without sleeping ?

anybody ?!

I'm not much of a WILDer, but for me it always works like this:
I try to stay awake, lying still, then eventually I seem to lose control, and become unconscious for a few seconds. Then I'm awake again, right inside SP.
I don't think I ever went into SP completely awake.

Red Bull.

Pay attention to the counting, not just think about it.
Try my DEILD guide, DEILD is a variation of WILD, so that might work for you :)
It only requires about a minute at max after you wake up to stay concious. Link in my signature :)

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Originally Posted by Xegar

I'm not much of a WILDer, but for me it always works like this:
I try to stay awake, lying still, then eventually I seem to lose control, and become unconscious for a few seconds. Then I'm awake again, right inside SP.
I don't think I ever went into SP completely awake.

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Interstingly i find this to be the case with my own WILD attemps, losing conciousness breifly and then reemerging inside SP...crazy

if you want to stay conscious, you have to change up the counting so as not to lose it,m what is mean is, pick a rhythm that you count with like dum...dum...dum...dum, but if you keep that same rhythm up like 1...2...3...4. you will fall asleep through the monotony of it most times, what you need to do is., ever now and then randomly; change up the rythm....dum...dum...dum dum dum...dumm...dum etc becuae that conscious interjection will keep your awareness intact..

yesterday when sleeping at night (just normal sleep not a WBTB ) , i just thought .. i am never able to sleep on my back , lets try it !!
i kept on my back for 2 minutes or so then i heard the noise of some helicopter fan starting like woof ..... woof .. woof .. woofwoofwoof , i freaked out on the inside but i didnt move , then suddenly the noise stopped and everything became natural again
the question is .. does that have anything to do with SP cuz i never heard about anyone reaching SP in 2 mins ?!!!

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Originally Posted by xkldx

yesterday when sleeping at night (just normal sleep not a WBTB ) , i just thought .. i am never able to sleep on my back , lets try it !!
i kept on my back for 2 minutes or so then i heard the noise of some helicopter fan starting like woof ..... woof .. woof .. woofwoofwoof , i freaked out on the inside but i didnt move , then suddenly the noise stopped and everything became natural again
the question is .. does that have anything to do with SP cuz i never heard about anyone reaching SP in 2 mins ?!!!

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It could have been the beginning of SP. It's possible to reach SP within seconds of lying down.

so if it was the beginning of SP why did it suddenly stop ?
yes i freaked out a little but i didnt move ... any suggestion ?

I havn't read any of the replies, so sorry if this is a repeat.

This is what I think
A) try meditation, it'll help a ton when trying to WILD
B) you're concentrating too hard on counting, just relax
C) try http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/jeff77...hnique-116172/ I see that as the best method for WILDing

Hope this helped and happy dreaming!
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ok after reading this and the other Jeff77 SP article , i think this was SP but im not so sure
after reaching this it should be that images start to form then the dream starts , right ??
why didnt i get any of this .. i mean after this i felt my body so numb , but nothing happened and i just forgot about it and went to sleep

Your brain actively tries to prevent you from consciously experiencing SP. This is what, I believe, hypnic jerks are. Your "freak out" sent some kind of signal that you were still awake and the SP cancelled itself. A change in your breathing is probably what cancelled it.

yea maybe .. will try again today and see what happens

As an Idea you could try imagining the bed turning and eventually kicking you out of bed if you can't move. Also try paying attention to your room and what you room looks like to help you when you start to freak out. redirection is almost always helpful.

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As an Idea you could try imagining the bed turning and eventually kicking you out of bed if you can't move. Also try paying attention to your room and what you room looks like to help you when you start to freak out. redirection is almost always helpful.

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hmm how should i pay attention to how my room looks like if my eyes are closed ... lame ques i know :P

The trick is to keep your eyes open until you can't anymore. Even now and again try to image seeing something you normal wouldn't. As soon as you start seeing what you thinking about you will know that you are dreaming. Then quickly concentrate on the nearest object and think about slowly moving yourself out of bed. This is an extremely hard method, I(I only tried it once because it was so exhausting) however it also provided a lucid dream experience.