Meditation reached Astral Projection is not Lucid Dreaming. In my opinion.

So I know a lot of you lads and lasses are confused between Astral Projection (now known as AP for short) and Lucid Dreaming (LD for short) I'm here to clarify the differences and why I personally believe they are two separate things. I will start with LDing, Conscious, Lucid or mindful Dreaming is when a dreamer (known as Oneironaut ) comes to a realization in a dream that they are indeed dreaming. They person can exert some control over the Dream often organised into layers (1 being the least vivid and controlled - 4 being the most vivid and controlled).

Facts about Lucid Dreaming and dreaming in general:
1. Dreams can only happen when you are in a REM state of sleep, this occurs multiple times a night depending on how long you sleep for. The first REM cycle a night will not produce much in terms of Dreams vividness (you will most likely not remember anything) but the ones in the early morning (usually after you sleep for more than 7 hours for me at least Note it being morning times has nothing to do with dream vividness if you sleep at 1:pm you would have vivid dreams around 7 or 8 pm) are much much more vivid and you can become Lucid much easier from them.
( I will probably add more to this list later on but I have university within a half hour of writing this).

Astral Projection is the belief that our physical bodies are not the only bodies we have they believe that we also possess a astral body (spirit body, our soul) while many people believe that Astral Projection is just some form of Lucid Dreaming I don't think so in my experience. I can Astral Project at any time with meditation deep meditation now their are some things which are the same with Lucid Dreaming and Astral projection such as when Lucid Dreaming and meditative astral projection our brain waves are operating at a "theta" state it is basically auto-drive state if you have ever drove 5 miles and couldn't remember the last 10 miles you were in a theta state, when you wake up in the morning and brush your teeth without thinking about it you were in a theta state. I know a lot of you are thinking (and so was I before I astral projected) well if they are both in theta state, you have to go into deep mediation (which is basically sleep paralysis just harder to achieve) then Astral Projection is just Lucid Dreaming that your dreaming you are leaving your body right ? No I don't think so lets look at a fact about Astral projection.

Facts about Astral Projection. (will add more to this later on today just really pressed for time and what to have a foundation out).
1. Lucid Dreaming happens during sleep to have a memorable Lucid Dream (vivid etc..) you must have slept for some hours before hand. Now you can WILD at anytime into a Lucid Dream I have done it but it takes ages (and hour or more) and really it's just blurry and dizzy. AStral Projection on the other hand I will start to meditate until I can't feel my body and it gets the vibrations, then I will rock myself (in my head of course don't try to rock your physical body you will move and fall out of bed cough 2 broke fingers cough) and I will feel as if I am floating then open my eyes and I am looking down at myself. It is as clear as real life although objects have a distinct color from them example my dog has a white color glowing from him and when I do something his ears go up and tail as if he is alert (perhaps animals can sense things like this ? I don't know maybe just chance that when I did it he got alert) but they thing that stands out to me is that my brother was out playing hurling (an Irish sport) and he did a trick very hard to do so I remembered that he did it returned to my body and asked him did he do it and he said he did !!. Sorry if this not very convince I will add more later I have to go now. Thank you for reading :).

I agree with you and I agree with those who say lucid dreaming and astral projection is the same at the same time.

The term "lucid dreaming" have some rules and belief systems attached to it, and so has "astral projection" and so has "reality".

And I pondered this question alot as well, but then I thought "Does it really matter what it is?".

In my eyes they are the same thing, a conscious experience. Then there are thousands of different ways to describe what defines each experience.

But in the end, atleast for me that doesn't really matter, because it's the information you attain from each experience that matters.

I mean if a person tells you something, ok no.. even let me tell you about my experience, I once met a strange person in what I would call a dream, he told me his name and I had some strange mix up dream about the person and I saw a mountain. Then when I woke up, a stranger from nowhere contacted me on this very forum and said "I know who you are, if you don't believe me I can tell you what you experienced last night, what you right now probably call a dream." Yeah this experience was really Morpheus and Neo like... :content: And then he told me exactly what I had dreamt and taught me how to meditate.

Do you believe me? Was my experience an astral projection or lucid dream?

Ok my point now here is. Does it even matter?! And if it does, why does it matter to know then?

I would rather put primary focus on what the experience provides me because that is what is important, and that is the only way to know what the experience truly was anyway.

I guess you agree on the fact that a lucid dream is defined as an experience of parts of your subconscious thereby not making them real person's.

But well "lucid dreaming" and "astral projection" is for me just terms for describing what kind of information you attain from each experience.

In other words was it imagined or was it real? So you see in my eyes both experiencess is the same thing in it's core, but you give each experience a different name based on what information you attained.

So to say that Astral Projection is not Lucid Dreaming, is sort of like saying: An experience with information that makes it plausible for you to believe that it was more than imagined is not the same as an experience that is not plausible to be considered as more than imagined.

I think this is a more wise approach to the terms, because if you have an experience where you meet an "angel" that tells you that the world will end in 2 years and you at the time consider it as an astral projection, but if you really think about it there is no possible way for you to determine if it was more than imagined or not, then it's just wrong to call it an astral projection because it could just as much have been a dream.

I see so many people on spiritual forums saying "I had an astral projection where I met an angel and my higher self and she told me this" and so on, and they just end up really dissapointed.

So I think it's important to be critical of every experience but at the same time be open for the possibility that it can be real.

In other words approach spirituality with the eyes of a scientist, and science should be approached with the questions of a spiritual.

Lobsang Ramper wrote (in the 70's) that "people often start off Astral Projecting in the material reality but quickly find it too boring and soon discover higher Astral Planes."

That is a pity because running off to the higher planes means (Lucid or not) it could all be imaginary.

Astral Projecting to a real Earth location, in real time, might cause a dreamer to report (in an on-line dream journal) an event that is later reported in the news.

And if that kept happening with lots of different dreamers around the world that would be exciting.

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Originally Posted by Eoghang

Now you can WILD at anytime into a Lucid Dream I have done it but it takes ages (and hour or more) and really it's just blurry and dizzy.

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I don't agree with you on the 'takes ages' and 'blurry and dizzy' points, how much it takes really depends on person, skill and time, usually varies between 5-30 minutes for me, and i had bunch of pretty vivid WILDs, which were definitely not 'blurry and dizzy'. :roll: