Bad Dc's to kill or not to kill?

Hello fellow dreamers. I was just reading A 100,000 reasons to respect your DC's And it got me thinking. Is there ever a situation where it is ok to kill or beat up dream characters? I have had many dreams where im fighting, shooting, blowing up, kung-fu-ing, and even decapitating "bad" Dc's. You know your cliche black camo ski mask wearing machine gun wielding bad guys, huge almost invincible bad guys, thugs, and so on. Now I do love acting out my fantasies, you know kicking bad guy butt, but after reading a bit of the posts on the that thread I'm wondering if there was a better way to go about it? It is my dream after all. What do you guys think?

You're only limited by your morals.

By killing dc's you're just suppressing the memory or emotion that the dc represents. Doing this won't do much harm as another representation of the same memory or emotion will probably reappear, but it won't do any good either if you're trying to get rid the thing that the dc represents. So, killing dc's doesn't do much good or bad. It's better to learn from and respect your dc's as by doing so you'll be respecting and learning about yourself. If don't care about this then go ahead and have fun killing them.

I posted in that thread, but I disagree that morals apply in dreams. The act of killing a dream character is not more immoral than having a thought about it. And it's not like you can be 100% in control of your thoughts, so should we blame a person for having them?

Also, I believe there's no subconscious entity hiding within the dream. There is only one identity: the subject. What we do have is a brain with several structures, and each one of them contributes in a certain way to the construct of the self. Even when you make a decision, there's not several people deciding: there's simply structures like the frontal lobes that play the role of decision making, the amygdala which processes your emotional memories, just to mention 2 examples.

I refer this to justify any arguments of "by hurting or disrespecting your dream characters, you are hurting or disrespecting yourself". If this was true, then we would be evolutionary predisposed to not have dreams with confrontation situations, and they are far more common than dreams where the entire world loves itself. I seriously doubt I'd develop any trait due my actions in my lucid dreams. Sure thing that we can improve cognition and change personality due these experiences, but it would be like saying that video games make people violent (not necessarily true).

To the argument of "dream characters can be other dreamers", I answer by saying that if that was true (no reason to think so), then we would be murderers and criminals, because I haven't met anyone which hasn't had a dream that involved physical confrontation. And so forth. Also, when we talk about respect, how would you be respecting a dream character by ignoring it? And still, that's what doctors encourage patients with auditory hallucinations and psychosis to do (I'm using hallucinations since they share some characteristics with dreams).

Since you can improve physical (and mental) performance, like for example coordination, I'd advice any karatee/judo/etc practitioner that wishes to improve his ability to lucid dream and engage in confrontation with dream characters. That's my opinion :)

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By killing dc's you're just suppressing the memory or emotion that the dc represents.

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So what would you say about people who conquered their fear by killing the representation of their issues? There are many ways to move on.

The PC police now want to invade our dreams as well :panic:

Once i had a non-lucid dream that a friend of mine was running from people who wanted to kill her. She entered in a buildind to hide. Then i saw some people go there too. I had to rescue her. So i stole a gun from a DC, entered the building and shot at the first DC that was there. After that, more DC's began attacking me. The more i killed DC's the more and more frightening showed to kill me... until i got killed.

I still wonder if this is because i made "first blood". Maybe if i didn't shoot at the first one, the dream would take a different and less frightening and violent direction.

Kill em all. Just kidding. I think it goes with whatever territory. Like most, you treat someone hostel they are hostel. You treat someone with compassion, same rules apply for your subconscious. But for a bit of fun, kill em. My favorite lucid dreams are lord of the rings warfare

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Originally Posted by Zoth

I posted in that thread, but I disagree that morals apply in dreams. The act of killing a dream character is not more immoral than having a thought about it. And it's not like you can be 100% in control of your thoughts, so should we blame a person for having them?

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While I agree that I cannot control 100% of my thoughts, but I am seeking lucid dreaming and greater awareness in both dreaming and waking life to improve the percentage of my thoughts that I can control. In addition I am trying to improve the thoughts that I can control to be more positive and more right thoughts. Just because I cannot control all my thoughts, that is no excuse for me to not improve more of the thoughts I can control, both in waking and dreaming. Furthermore, since the thoughts I cannot control are often based on habits formed and are linked by cause and effect from thoughts that I can control, therefore I believe that if I improve the thoughts that I can control, the thoughts that I cannot control will also improve. However, I have a far way to go, and that thread is a good example of that: I have since regretted starting it, since it was formed due to a negative reaction I had to another thread and was a judgemental thread, which I regret. It is not my business to tell others what to dream or not to dream, that is your choice. Personally, I would like to choose to dream and think more morally, that is my choice, and I hope I will remember it when I am next faced with a situation in which this applies. If I do not succeed, please understand that I am trying but have a far way to go.

Oh, don't worry too much about it. The deal with this topic specifically, is that it's not easy to address. Some months ago (and even a few times in the longer past), we had members trying to address this, and I remember that those threads ended up in a very emotional driven discussion, which made them disappear. Personally I like how you and Elio, without intentionally doing it, recreated this discussion, this time in much less intense terms.

There's much to say about this, and you certainly made good points, so be sure to know that some of us would love to read your views in this matter :)

I have an easy solution. It is simply to put it in a proper contects. Everyone is free to dream as they will, and feeling guilty is no good. Perhaps, if someone's dreams disturb them, then they can look into it, and maybe grow by it. Self-judgement is of little use.

Here is my system of dealing with the issue. I simply create a background story in which i am engaging in violence for the sake of rescuing or protecting. Another option is to make the DC represent brain eating zombies. Who can say that fantasies about being a hero are harmful?

Some peoples versions of 'goodness' are people like Gandi. However, what about the Seal-6 team that rescued 2 Americans from Samoli pirates? They are heros! The world needs heros, and if a passifist does not want the role, surely they can allow someone else to fill it.

In conclusion,,, if you want to fight and kill,,, fight and kill BAD GUYS, while rescuing a damsel.

There is your answer about sex with DCs. If you are dreaming about rape, look into your self and ponder. If instead you just like to get some action, work it into a story. What if the female DC will not play along??? Then work on your self image and dream control. Maybe if you rescue her from ninjas she will be more friendly.

Here's my take on it:

It's a dream. There are no real-life consequences. Rape, pillage, and kill to your heart's content. As long as you don't do that stuff in the waking world, why care what happens to DCs?

Granted, that's my own naturalistic viewpoint. Others may not see it that way.

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Originally Posted by TimeDragon97

Here's my take on it:

It's a dream. There are no real-life consequences. Rape, pillage, and kill to your heart's content. As long as you don't do that stuff in the waking world, why care what happens to DCs?

Granted, that's my own naturalistic viewpoint. Others may not see it that way.

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Thanks for this, time to give my DCs hell(jk just sex ;))

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Originally Posted by TimeDragon97

Here's my take on it:

It's a dream. There are no real-life consequences. Rape, pillage, and kill to your heart's content. As long as you don't do that stuff in the waking world, why care what happens to DCs?

Granted, that's my own naturalistic viewpoint. Others may not see it that way.

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And do you care to reflect for us what it is in your psychi that make those fantasies desirable?

I never said I wanted to do those things. Besides, those things (minus rape) are in video games, so just think of a dream like a video game.

Many times in my non-lucid dreams it can get very bloody indeed because I end up defending females or children with nothing but knives (very common theme). Training with knife and other blades is a big part of my waking life so I guess this makes sense; but I could never imagine wanting to mutilate someone in a dream simply for enjoyment.

My lucid dreams are just the opposite; it is the peaceful world that I wish to live in, not the real one that I must train so hard in. It is the one place that I can put the warrior to rest and just enjoy myself.

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Originally Posted by sivason

And do you care to reflect for us what it is in your psychi that make those fantasies desirable?

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I seem to be completely amoral in my lucid dream's, meaning I am able to, and sometimes follow through with things that in my waking state would disgust me. I innately know that no negative consequences will come from what I do, so I really don't even have a concept of doing something "morally wrong" in my lucid dreams. Which is the reason I don't post most of my dream journals here, things usually tend to get a bit bloody, somewhat of a side effect of my lucids usually starting from when im in some sort of dangerous situation. Fight or flight reflex usually goes for fight while im dreaming, what's the sense in running when you have complete control of the world.

Thanks everyone for your input. It's really much appreciated. Zoth you make some good points but I also agree with some of what TwighlightShawn said in a way. And to Sivason they're always bad guys :shadewink: I'm gonna try and attempt to see if I can figure out another approach to the situation besides the usual(And hopefully post it in my DJ for Chris's sake :lol:), maybe they do often symbolize something else? Personally I don't think it would be so far fetched, I've always thought that dreams held a deeper meaning. But I'm also gonna keep on kicking ass for the most part, it just comes natural to my dream self.

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Originally Posted by Elio

And to Sivason they're always bad guys :shadewink:


But I'm also gonna keep on kicking ass for the most part, it just comes natural to my dream self.

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Cheers! And chop a Zombie Ninja Pirate in half for the the rest of us!

Guys! To any of you who are interested, I actually tried talking a bad dc out of being bad. Didn't work bad dc's are just bad I guess. Felt bad about putting him out (he had human torch powers.) Weird stuff eh?

I'm currently trying to go lucid and hunt down a DC that shot and killed me in another dream. I'm not really concerned about it having any negitive backlash, I just want revenge for whatever its worth.

I've only had a couple of lucid dreams and they were a long time ago so the challenge and the reward of pulling it off makes the journey worth taking and has got me back in touch with my dreams.