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Sooo I've decided. They need to come up with a new word. I mean they have the word "nightmare" right. But what if you dream about things that are wonderful...and they only become a nightmare after you wake and realize that everything you had dreamed about was untrue or never happened. I am trying to think of a new word for such a thing. But right now I'm drawing a blank. I was hoping you guys could help out. Whatever's clever.
Pipe-dream
Definition: Unrealistic hope
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2...&q=pipe%20dream
From circa 1800's opium den era
coined after the fantastic ideas and notions experienced when smoking opium evaporated and you came crashing back to reality
I think he pretty much nailed it there.
thank you, sir :lol:
Much of the problem here is one of perspective, that one is so ready to dismiss one's own subjective reality as "untrue" and then to insist that the Life Events of one's Dream Self "never happened". I really think that we should all validate the existence of our Dream Selves.Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
...and they only become a nightmare after you wake and realize that everything you had dreamed about was untrue or never happened. *
Yes, if one is going through a particularly miserable period in one's life, then having a happy dream may effectively serve only to aggravate us to an increased sense of desolation after we awake. But we could always remind ourselves that in another 18 or 20 hours we might again be in that happy place.
We should welcome the consolations of our happy dreams, especially when they offer the most contrast to the disappointments and frustrations of the Waking Life.
But, yes, sometimes we do hear talk of people whose troubles in life have driven them to take an almost permanent refuge in dreams and fantasy. But this is simply a problem of taking a valid consolation to an extreme. Of course, we should concentrate on maintaining a moderation in everything. Sommerset Maughm, the only passible author of the 20th Century, had written a book on the pursuit of spirituality and he entitled it "The Razor's Edge" it being his perception that of all qualities to be attained, the sense of Balance and equilibrium was perhaps the most important.
So while totally rejecting and discarding the Waking Life for the sake of one's dreams and subjective Spirituality would be a violation of Balance on the one side, the reverse mirror reflection polar equivalent of that same mistake would be to dismiss and undervalue one's dreams. When the Higher Mind decides to send us some consolations for our comfort, we should receive them in the spirit in which they were given, that is, with good will and generous feeling.
Often refered to as a Fool's ParadiseQuote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
We should welcome the consolations of our happy dreams, especially when they offer the most contrast to the disappointments and frustrations of the Waking Life.
the illusory state of happiness that's obtained
examples range from idle daydreaming or the more extreme psychological drug dependance. Trainspotting anyone? :wink:
thanks guys ;)
...I like the pipe dream notion but as it says, the word has been used more loosely since then...I'd sort of rather have a new world, that relates specifically to these types of dreams and that doesn't have anything to do with smoking opium...or just some random unachievable fantasy. Any ideas?
I think she was just trying to figure out what to call it Leo! ;) (j/k)Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
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Ynot, I think waht he was getting at is that it's okay to take the good feelings from dreams at face value, knowing you may return for that same feeling again shortly. In the case of daydreams and drug use, you are detracting from a productive existence, and so a fool you would be to endulge relentlessly. Dreaming, though, takes nothing from your day. In fact, it could be argued that it contributes to your night, to you mental health, even.
How about a fallodonum?
Hmmm... yep, I hate it when that happens.
Whatever you wanna call it, it's gotta be a combo or sleeping and deceit and disappointment.
How about a slumberbluffizzle?
slumber= sleep
bluff= deceit
fizzle= disappointment
[b]Fo shizzle, when I arose from my crib this mornizzle.... I found I had suffered a [size=16]slumberbluffizzle
:wtf: too long?
how about slumberfuck ?
[quote]how about slumberfuck
hahaha :lol:
But it seems to be the foolish thing to deny oneself actual pleasures simply because they are linked to REM cycles, no?Quote:
Originally posted by Ynot
Often refered to as a Fool's Paradise
the illusory state of happiness that's obtained
examples range from idle daydreaming or the more extreme psychological drug dependance. *Trainspotting anyone? *:wink:
Hmmmm. About the "yada yada yada" business.... It wasn't long ago that I was requested to comment on a certain post, and I can only suppose that more was expected of me than what would only have been perceived as meaningless verbage. Since my opinion is so often actively solicited, I can only infer that it is read with more attention than you seem to hint at.Quote:
Originally posted by O-Nieronaut
I think she was just trying to figure out what to call it Leo! ;) (j/k)
Ynot, I think waht he was getting at is that it's okay to take the good feelings from dreams at face value, knowing you may return for that same feeling again shortly. In the case of daydreams and drug use, you are detracting from a productive existence, and so a fool you would be to endulge relentlessly. Dreaming, though, takes nothing from your day. In fact, it could be argued that it contributes to your night, to you mental health, even.
Whole heartidly agreeQuote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
But it seems to be the foolish thing to deny oneself actual pleasures simply because they are linked to REM cycles, no?
never said I was against it
very much the opposite, tbh
Oh.Quote:
Originally posted by Ynot
Whole heartidly agree
never said I was against it
very much the opposite, tbh
But they seemed to have acquired something of a forbidden connotation, though I may had only inferred that sense, but I now see what you mean.
I agree on that.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
Much of the problem here is one of perspective, that one is so ready to dismiss one's own subjective reality as \"untrue\" and then to insist that the Life Events of one's Dream Self \"never happened\". I really think that we should all validate the existence of our Dream Selves.
When I was a teenager, nina, I actually use to think of that, since I don´t have nightmares from being a kid, so I would often think of what to name dreams that are the most amazing things that could happen, but I would of ended making poems or song lyrics about them. In the end, how do you feel when you wake up from a dream like that, I always curse as soon as I get up next to the words "gotta work today", "go to school today" , "give me 15 minutes"(I actually scream this to my alarm clock) :-P . But I find it I don´t ussually get mad from leaving the dream more of just for not getting enough rest.
In school I use to tell my friends when I had an amazing dream, I called them, "Get back to dream", or as in my languaje, "Sueño al que vuelvo". I found it lame once I got out school, but then again, I did always tryed to get back to them or ussually did the next night so it was ok, but I´ve been cursing my way thru since school to now days whenever I wake up wich is just so.... :mad: ..... normal :D
You describe melancholia.
Melancholia would be a good term. However I think melancholia focuses purely on the sadness or depression itself.
I think Nostalgia might fit a little better. A sort of bittersweet longiness for a person, place or thing. It is becoming saddened by the thought of positive things, despite how paradoxical that sounds. You're bent on all of the happy times you've shared with something in your past, that longing for the good times making you spiral further and further into depression with their absense.
True...but I don't want a word for the feeling I am describing...just a word for those specific types of dreams that cause that melancholic/nostalgic feeling.
It's to do with the emotions as a force due to a situation that reveals certain things that effect you. Which is not in your capacity to see, creating a negative effect. The positive is the same force that created the negative.In your dreams it is ok. When you wake up its negative. Yet the cause created the two perspectives in the first place. The prinicble you are controlled by may motivate you to understand, and so reach a higher realization about it. And so ridding yourself of the nature of this problem. Ofcourse before that happens there can be many stages to go through. Until you decide to go towards the option of asking why. When you ask, You will recieve and that will be the end of the problem. So maybe call it a lovemare. Or truthmare. (pushing you towards truth)
anyway thats the main princible for it. Any word which describes the cause.
It is true that every time a Language creates a new nominative, it has succeeded in shortcutting around some necessary description of a concept. 'Dog' is short for 'companion animal that barks and chews upon bones'. Right now we can only describe your bitter-sweet melancholy dreams, and yet do not have a single word for them.Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
True...but I don't want a word for the feeling I am describing...just a word for those specific types of dreams that cause that melancholic/nostalgic feeling.
or
melancholicmare
nostalgicdream
melancholicdream
nostalgicmare.
use your imagination its easy.
oneiro .. (oh-nigh-roh) the Greek root for dream
schmaltz also schmalz Audio pronunciation of "schmaltz" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shmälts)
n.
1. Informal.
1. Excessively sentimental art or music.
2. Maudlin sentimentality.
Oneiroschmaltz?
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Dream + Disappointment
Drointment
Just an observation: The bigger they are the harder they fall. True with love also.
Leo found a bit of wisdom. Balance. Try not to take it to heart. Things will even out in the end. They always do.
So...I'm sort of leaning towards the whole "mirage" concept. Like, you think you see water, run to it...and find out it's really just all sand. Same concept, same feelings as these type of dreams...hopelessness, extreme disappointment, etc. when you realize the truth.
So maybe we could incorporate that in...somehow?
How about calling it a Bubble Burst? Kind of like a play on "I hate to burst your bubble..."
hehe that's cute...
but maybe too cute? i dunno lol
Yeah, I was thinking it was a little cutesy. I get the sense though, that you're not looking to mix words together and come up with some new super word. Are you looking for more of a play on words?
Call it what you will, but somehow I think we've come full circle to slumberfuck.
I'm not the biggest Freud fan, but I think he believed that dreams were a way for us to fill voids that existed in our waking lives (such as a happiness that existed once with a lover) - so, I guess these dreams are a normal thing to experience. Unfortunately, they become a bit nullified once you're brought back to "reality".
Forget the word calling thing for it - maybe you (we) need to focus on how to use these dreams as a therapy for moving on with our lives and not think of it as a crutch... or somekind of curse. :?
Fallodonum
I didn't just make that word up. In Latin, it would mean a "false or misleading gift." I thought it quite fitting, not to mention sounding adequately somber. Oh, and the word "mare" really has nothing to do with bad dreams. A Night Mare was actually a spirit (which I have encountered) that was held responsible for taking people on wild flights through unspoken terrors through the night. A lovemare would just be a love horse, not very descriptive of a dissapointing dream.
Oh, and Leo, my "yada yada" post was just a cheap quip at your characteristicaly lengthy replies, I meant no offense. It was a good point you made, in fact, I backed you up. I just thought it funny that she asked for a word, and got an essay from you. Quintessential Leo, that's all. ;)
Actually, I was thinking about it this morning and I think maybe the cutesiness of Bubble Burst isn't such a bad thing. Why give it some serious or somber kind of name? Bubble Burst cleverly captures the idea of what you're looking for, and when you wake up and realize what's happend and think about the name, I can see it making someone kind of giggle at the silliness of it. And really, after being so dissapointed with what has occurred, what's wrong with something a little fun/funny to counteract the negative feeling? Better to have the experience, think "Oh man, I had a bubble burst," have a chuckle at the silliness of the name and get on with your day. Maybe giving it a serious label will only help to intensify the bad feelings. Don't let it do that to you.
*Hope some of this helps*
Kichu,
Thanks for your optimistic outlook on the whole thing, I do really appreciate your help. And I think you are right Joe, it doesn't really matter what they are called. Hopefully if I do have anymore I'll eventually be able to use them to become lucid...decent dream signs maybe? I think I'll just call them bubble dreams for now. ;)
Yes, I knew it was something of a joke, and it is very difficult for anybody who once asks my advice to ever significantly come down in my estimation, but the tiger can never really act happy when its tail is being pulled, can it? Oh, I mean 'lion'.Quote:
Originally posted by O-Nieronaut
Fallodonum
Oh, and Leo, my \"yada yada\" post was just a cheap quip at your characteristicaly lengthy replies, I meant no offense. It was a good point you made, in fact, I backed you up. I just thought it funny that she asked for a word, and got an essay from you. Quintessential Leo, that's all. ;)
Dear Everybody,
Well, no... we should all think about this a bit first, shouldn't we. Honestly, does ANYBODY really understand Aquanina's problem with these bitter-sweet dreams? I feel it might be a 'Glass half full, Glass half empty' type of situation. We need to wonder whether such dreams would not be consolations for some people even while for other people they may tend to aggravate the emotional loss.
For instance, I lost my mother a few years back, and I had dearly loved the old Lady. For a full year afterward I was still reflexibly picking up the phone to call her if the days passing had brought to me an interesting story. And now I dream of her. Such dreams are a consolation.
But, yes, we should all commiserate, but lets keep our heads and continue to discern that we actually don't have a real problem here.
*edit*
I'm as pissed as a fart right now
and my comments (although very funny) are completely non-productive
I'm banishing myself to the off-discussion part
There was this girl that I was dating during the 2001/2002 era. So far, she has been the only girl I had truely loved. Although during waking hours I do not concern myself with the memory, and in 90% of my dreams she does not make an appearance. But even three years and a couple of minor relationships later, I will still occasionally have a dream in which I will entertain the idea of reuniting with her. These dreams no longer distress me, however, so this coincides with what Leo was saying.
"Expected release date..." that's what I call a faltering dream.
But I know, it's terrible, the high of a great dream to realize upon awakening that you may never dream it again. Maybe you can call it something like "Elusive Ecstasy"
I second Joe's "slumberfuck"
LMFAO O!Quote:
Originally posted by O-Nieronaut
Yada etc
roflmfao!Quote:
Originally posted by Tornado Joe
[b]
Fo shizzle, when I arose from my crib this mornizzle.... I found I had suffered a [size=16]slumberbluffizzle *
yep either a slumberbluffizzle or slumberfuck sounds like it, even though you're over looking for an actual word :huh2:
Lets call it an unfortunate event and move on.
That is all I meant!!. But with the idea of optimistic view of trying to recuperate your dream the next night :) . What we should all learn here is ... (has anyone heard the song "more than words" :-P ).Quote:
Originally posted by NirvanaStarseed
Lets call it an unfortunate event and move on.