Thread: I need a new word...

Sooo I've decided. They need to come up with a new word. I mean they have the word "nightmare" right. But what if you dream about things that are wonderful...and they only become a nightmare after you wake and realize that everything you had dreamed about was untrue or never happened. I am trying to think of a new word for such a thing. But right now I'm drawing a blank. I was hoping you guys could help out. Whatever's clever.

Pipe-dream

Definition: Unrealistic hope

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2...&q=pipe%20dream

From circa 1800's opium den era

coined after the fantastic ideas and notions experienced when smoking opium evaporated and you came crashing back to reality

I think he pretty much nailed it there.

thank you, sir

Originally posted by Aquanina


...and they only become a nightmare after you wake and realize that everything you had dreamed about was untrue or never happened. *

Much of the problem here is one of perspective, that one is so ready to dismiss one's own subjective reality as "untrue" and then to insist that the Life Events of one's Dream Self "never happened". I really think that we should all validate the existence of our Dream Selves.

Yes, if one is going through a particularly miserable period in one's life, then having a happy dream may effectively serve only to aggravate us to an increased sense of desolation after we awake. But we could always remind ourselves that in another 18 or 20 hours we might again be in that happy place.

We should welcome the consolations of our happy dreams, especially when they offer the most contrast to the disappointments and frustrations of the Waking Life.

But, yes, sometimes we do hear talk of people whose troubles in life have driven them to take an almost permanent refuge in dreams and fantasy. But this is simply a problem of taking a valid consolation to an extreme. Of course, we should concentrate on maintaining a moderation in everything. Sommerset Maughm, the only passible author of the 20th Century, had written a book on the pursuit of spirituality and he entitled it "The Razor's Edge" it being his perception that of all qualities to be attained, the sense of Balance and equilibrium was perhaps the most important.

So while totally rejecting and discarding the Waking Life for the sake of one's dreams and subjective Spirituality would be a violation of Balance on the one side, the reverse mirror reflection polar equivalent of that same mistake would be to dismiss and undervalue one's dreams. When the Higher Mind decides to send us some consolations for our comfort, we should receive them in the spirit in which they were given, that is, with good will and generous feeling.

Originally posted by Leo Volont

We should welcome the consolations of our happy dreams, especially when they offer the most contrast to the disappointments and frustrations of the Waking Life.

Often refered to as a Fool's Paradise
the illusory state of happiness that's obtained
examples range from idle daydreaming or the more extreme psychological drug dependance. Trainspotting anyone?

thanks guys

...I like the pipe dream notion but as it says, the word has been used more loosely since then...I'd sort of rather have a new world, that relates specifically to these types of dreams and that doesn't have anything to do with smoking opium...or just some random unachievable fantasy. Any ideas?

Originally posted by Leo Volont


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I think she was just trying to figure out what to call it Leo! (j/k)

Ynot, I think waht he was getting at is that it's okay to take the good feelings from dreams at face value, knowing you may return for that same feeling again shortly. In the case of daydreams and drug use, you are detracting from a productive existence, and so a fool you would be to endulge relentlessly. Dreaming, though, takes nothing from your day. In fact, it could be argued that it contributes to your night, to you mental health, even.

How about a fallodonum?

Hmmm... yep, I hate it when that happens.

Whatever you wanna call it, it's gotta be a combo or sleeping and deceit and disappointment.

How about a slumberbluffizzle?

slumber= sleep
bluff= deceit
fizzle= disappointment

[b]Fo shizzle, when I arose from my crib this mornizzle.... I found I had suffered a [size=16]slumberbluffizzle

too long?

how about slumberfuck ?

[quote]how about slumberfuck

hahaha

Originally posted by Ynot


Often refered to as a Fool's Paradise
the illusory state of happiness that's obtained
examples range from idle daydreaming or the more extreme psychological drug dependance. *Trainspotting anyone? *

But it seems to be the foolish thing to deny oneself actual pleasures simply because they are linked to REM cycles, no?

Originally posted by O-Nieronaut


I think she was just trying to figure out what to call it Leo! (j/k)

Ynot, I think waht he was getting at is that it's okay to take the good feelings from dreams at face value, knowing you may return for that same feeling again shortly. In the case of daydreams and drug use, you are detracting from a productive existence, and so a fool you would be to endulge relentlessly. Dreaming, though, takes nothing from your day. In fact, it could be argued that it contributes to your night, to you mental health, even.

Hmmmm. About the "yada yada yada" business.... It wasn't long ago that I was requested to comment on a certain post, and I can only suppose that more was expected of me than what would only have been perceived as meaningless verbage. Since my opinion is so often actively solicited, I can only infer that it is read with more attention than you seem to hint at.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


But it seems to be the foolish thing to deny oneself actual pleasures simply because they are linked to REM cycles, no?

Whole heartidly agree
never said I was against it
very much the opposite, tbh

Originally posted by Ynot

Whole heartidly agree
never said I was against it
very much the opposite, tbh

Oh.

But they seemed to have acquired something of a forbidden connotation, though I may had only inferred that sense, but I now see what you mean.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Much of the problem here is one of perspective, that one is so ready to dismiss one's own subjective reality as \"untrue\" and then to insist that the Life Events of one's Dream Self \"never happened\". I really think that we should all validate the existence of our Dream Selves.

I agree on that.
When I was a teenager, nina, I actually use to think of that, since I don´t have nightmares from being a kid, so I would often think of what to name dreams that are the most amazing things that could happen, but I would of ended making poems or song lyrics about them. In the end, how do you feel when you wake up from a dream like that, I always curse as soon as I get up next to the words "gotta work today", "go to school today" , "give me 15 minutes"(I actually scream this to my alarm clock) . But I find it I don´t ussually get mad from leaving the dream more of just for not getting enough rest.
In school I use to tell my friends when I had an amazing dream, I called them, "Get back to dream", or as in my languaje, "Sueño al que vuelvo". I found it lame once I got out school, but then again, I did always tryed to get back to them or ussually did the next night so it was ok, but I´ve been cursing my way thru since school to now days whenever I wake up wich is just so.... ..... normal

You describe melancholia.

Melancholia would be a good term. However I think melancholia focuses purely on the sadness or depression itself.

I think Nostalgia might fit a little better. A sort of bittersweet longiness for a person, place or thing. It is becoming saddened by the thought of positive things, despite how paradoxical that sounds. You're bent on all of the happy times you've shared with something in your past, that longing for the good times making you spiral further and further into depression with their absense.

True...but I don't want a word for the feeling I am describing...just a word for those specific types of dreams that cause that melancholic/nostalgic feeling.

It's to do with the emotions as a force due to a situation that reveals certain things that effect you. Which is not in your capacity to see, creating a negative effect. The positive is the same force that created the negative.In your dreams it is ok. When you wake up its negative. Yet the cause created the two perspectives in the first place. The prinicble you are controlled by may motivate you to understand, and so reach a higher realization about it. And so ridding yourself of the nature of this problem. Ofcourse before that happens there can be many stages to go through. Until you decide to go towards the option of asking why. When you ask, You will recieve and that will be the end of the problem. So maybe call it a lovemare. Or truthmare. (pushing you towards truth)
anyway thats the main princible for it. Any word which describes the cause.

Originally posted by Aquanina
True...but I don't want a word for the feeling I am describing...just a word for those specific types of dreams that cause that melancholic/nostalgic feeling.

It is true that every time a Language creates a new nominative, it has succeeded in shortcutting around some necessary description of a concept. 'Dog' is short for 'companion animal that barks and chews upon bones'. Right now we can only describe your bitter-sweet melancholy dreams, and yet do not have a single word for them.

or
melancholicmare
nostalgicdream
melancholicdream
nostalgicmare.

use your imagination its easy.

oneiro .. (oh-nigh-roh) the Greek root for dream

schmaltz also schmalz Audio pronunciation of "schmaltz" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shmälts)
n.

1. Informal.
1. Excessively sentimental art or music.
2. Maudlin sentimentality.

Oneiroschmaltz?


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Dream + Disappointment
Drointment

Just an observation: The bigger they are the harder they fall. True with love also.
Leo found a bit of wisdom. Balance. Try not to take it to heart. Things will even out in the end. They always do.

So...I'm sort of leaning towards the whole "mirage" concept. Like, you think you see water, run to it...and find out it's really just all sand. Same concept, same feelings as these type of dreams...hopelessness, extreme disappointment, etc. when you realize the truth.

So maybe we could incorporate that in...somehow?