I've been trying mainly FILD while recording a DJ for about 3 months and I was wondering, how long did it take you to have your first lucid?
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I've been trying mainly FILD while recording a DJ for about 3 months and I was wondering, how long did it take you to have your first lucid?
about 3 days after starting to read laberges book...
and now? you feel better? dont compare yourself with other.
some need half a year some need just some days. FILD only is not enough in my opinion. do regular authentic RC´s and some daywork, write a DJ and have lucid dreaming in the back of your head all day long if possible. then you should see some success with WBTB´s and FILD if you like
I had my first lucid when I was 6 or 8 years old and had several more as a child, but in my early teens I seemed to lose the ability...
I first started practicing to get LDs again when I was 15 or 16, and it took about 1 month to get some random DILDs, but learning how to get the WILDs right (like FILD) took me much longer (not sure how long, maybe 3-4 months?)... Plus, most of my first LDs were just to notice that I'm dreaming and immedietly wake up, and even these were infrequent at first :P
Apart from journaling, intention setting (like with mantras) as well as some awareness training are integral in my practice routine (in the periods of my life when I take LDing seriously) - so I think that maybe it will be better to add some more of the basics to your practice, since WILDs like FILD are more advanced and harder to master (at least to me).
I've been reading on LD almost every day and recording my Dream Journal. With FILD, I was really close on my first attempt as I felt the sensation of slipping in and I saw flashing purple lights.
I think this time when I started up it was about a week and a half.
Fild is generally not recommended for beginners since you don't know what entering and leaving a dream aware feels like. I recommend doing DILD first.
http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...technique.html
Of course reading Laberge helps a lot. I got my first LD when reading his book as well, it took me 45 days to get my first LD that I had to try for. I had some random ones when I was a kid, but me actually inducing is 45 days of trying DILD. Wild took like 6 months I think, but it mattered less because I had DILD, and I had DEILDs after LDs to help me with the phase.
How often do you try for FILD? To put it in perspective, I have about 2 WILDs a week and I try about 42 times a week, so with all my experience it is still super low percentage. 2/42 or 4.7% chance.
So since you have never done it a DILD or a DEILD, I think the odds would be somewhere as 1/500 ish.
This is why we send people to DILD first, because it is simply more likely that you will succeed, and if you do succeed in DILD, you will have a higher percentage with WILD and it's variants. I always recommend trying for both always, because then you have all sorts of chances to LD.
When I wake, I check to see if I can just jump back into my dream for about 10-20 seconds (this would be when to try FILD or DEILD), then I tap up some dreams and then lay back down and try to WILD for a minute or two, and if I don't get that, then I give up and just go for a DILD. Always leaning towards sleep because sleep is most important when dreaming. Doing this 5+ times a night, my recall and percentages go up a lot compared to someone that only does 1 technique or doesn't WBTB!
Good luck, let me know if you have any questions.
I'm not a beginner btw, I've been trying to Ld since I was about 16 and I'm 18 now. I try FILD with wbtb each night. As I said, I really believe in FILD as it was the closest I've ever been to. My main Issue is trying to fall back asleep and be relaxed tbh.
I used to try MILD in the past but it didn't work out for me.
kamenriderbaron, falling back asleep should have priority over the WILD (whatever version you're doing, e.g. FILD) - so essentially if you see that the attempt doesn't lead anywhere, just relax and fall asleep. Any form of WILD is first and foremost about falling asleep successfully. About being relaxed - at what point of the FILD are you stressed? If from the beginning, try a relaxation technique and / or shorten the duration between waking up and the start of doing the FILD (I'm assuming you're doing FILD with previous sleep... If not, "well, here's your problem"). But if the hypnagogic sensations (imagery, hallucinations, etc) tense you up, then you should stop paying attention to them as much, or try to be more on the sleepy side and focus less on maintaining awareness and keeping track of the finger... In FILD and other wake inducing techs, you need to find the balance between awareness and sleepiness - so you might need to sacrifice some of the awareness to fall asleep.
About MILD - for how long did you try it, and what was your MILD routine exactly? As Sensei and RelaxAndDream (and I) already said, the quickest progress is by mostly focusing on "day work" (to induce DILDs) and WILDs are something more supplementary. For example, I do some kind of personalized combo of awareness/RCs/MILD as my day work apart from the journaling. Out of 12-7 LDs per month which is my current rate (after starting practicing in Dec 2015), at least 80% of them are DILDs.
A disclaimer - since I learned and "borrowed" so much from Sensei's method over my years of lurking around DV, I'm not sure if I can add anything to what he said :P Anyway, just read his reply... I also at first tried to speed things up by only using WILDs because it sounds like the easy way out. But as Sensei wrote, WILDs on their own don't yield much consistency and are harder to pull off, and even if you do get lucid using a WILD (e.g. FILD), I don't know how prolonged or vivid a lucid dream is going to be without practicing any "day work" (the basics).
I've never really tried FILD before but it looks like a promising technique. I should give it a try.
The approach I would take in learning how to FILD is to first figure out how to fall asleep before learning how to fall asleep in the same way, only while doing the technique.
How many times do you attempt FILD each night? The more times you attempt it each night, the more likely you are to succeed.
If you have trouble falling back asleep, don't get up from bed upon awakening. Doing so will make it harder to fall back asleep. Only do WBTB if you have trouble maintaining enough focus long enough to succeed.
My main issue is when I wake up, I focus too much on trying to fall asleep and getting in the relaxed state to try FILD.
and I try to do it each night
Don't worry about getting into a relaxed state. Stressing about getting into a relaxed state is counterintuitive. Let the relaxation come naturally rather than trying to force it.
From what I've read, all you need to focus on is moving your fingers while being aware enough to notice when you start dreaming.
Try to get to the point where you're attempting it about 4 times each night.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphin
Trying once a night at a really low percentage as I said before is not gonna yield much, but if you are trying it 4 times at night, that means that you will be moving to your goal 4 times faster.
Also, in response to your response to me, how high was your recall when trying mild? How long did you keep a consistent sleep schedule without breaking. These things help MILD more than anything else. Consistency and recall go right in hand with your awareness. Without these things, even if you have a FILD, it has a pretty high chance of being unaware and then you might forget it. I think of MILD induction to be the fundamentals for what you need to LD, some people may skip over the fundamentals and learn a few tricks, but they will not be as consistent as someone that practices the fundamentals (I am thinking of basketball here, but this applies to everything).
I read this and was thinking holy cr...Quote:
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Then I read on until this :) he he :)
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My first intentional DILD came after more than 2 months, but then one per month then one per week and since then 0-5 per week (mostly weekend)
(I also had some lucid when young)
As to wild I haven't tried a total of 42 times :) not even a big percentage of this number
but I might have tried that many times to DEILD, succeeded at least once maybe twice :)
I drink water, and set an intention to wake and even practice sleep disruption on Wednesday night and still I only wake about 35 times a week :) I'm not sure I could fall asleep 42 times in a week :) unless I quit my job :)
My dream recall while trying FILD is actually a lot better tbh. I am noticing how in my dreams everything appears to be darkened/shadowed as well. As well I will try all day awareness but I worry due to this, it might take too long and set my dreaming attempts back.
Yeah, all techs that involve waking up (and noticing it) only to then return to sleep are known to increase recall...Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
When I read Sensei's "42 times a week" I was like 'WOW' too, haha. I'm nowhere near that close... I try to wake up 3 times a night (with water drinking, intention setting, and sometimes alarm), and based on the amount of previous sleep and other factors I choose the length of the WBTB - after 3-4.5 hours I do a couple of minutes WILD, after 6 hours I do 5-10 minutes, after 7 hours I do 20 minutes at least (this number of awakenings excludes DEILDing, since these are more opportunistic for me). It also fits the amount of recall that I record - after 3 hours of sleep I usually don't have much to record, but at 7 - have plenty. Tonight, for example I had 3 awakenings and recalled 6 dreams, two of them had the same general theme.
Darkened dreams could be a bias - now that you remember so many more dreams and details, some of them are dark and make no sense (but with normal recall you wouldn't have remembered them at all). Either way, dreams, on average, become more detailed and life-like the more I practice awareness and other day work.
What relaxation techniques do you guys use? That is my biggest problem.
When I first started I was doing the one on the official WILD tutorial on DV - basically breath like you would while sleeping, and focus on each part of the body imagining it getting heavier or number or lighter. Start from each foot, moving up to the body, then the arms and hands, and finally the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
Nowadays, I don't really do any relaxation technique... Sometimes I do some things like setting the intention to fall asleep (during the wbtb, before starting the WILD) - but that shouldn't apply to FILD, because in FILD you need to be extremely sleepy and can't have long / any wbtb. I also sometimes try to imitate the things that happen when I normally fall asleep - so essentially think about random thoughts then let them go and think about something random again, or play games of association with myself, or imitate Hypnagogic Imagery by imagining short and random dream sequences, or imitate Hypnagogic Hallucinations by imagining weird shapes or lights or vibrations or any kind of weird sensory input. You get the point - imitate normal falling asleep. This only speed the process up for me - some of these should start happening very quickly on their own even without starting them yourself.
I'm not sure how is that possible that after 3 months you're still not relaxed enough during your chosen method... Have to tried to modify the technique based on your own experiences? What is your FILD process, specifically?
I'm thinking, if it's a relaxation issue, maybe you do a WBTB that is too long, or maybe WBTB with FILD isn't for you if you do it... Many people can't FILD unless immediately from waking up or even while waking up (like it's done in DEILD). As I and others like Dolphin already said in this thread, FILD requires to be barely awake, only second to DEILD in this respect.
Ok I set an alarm to wake up me about 4 hrs after I sleep. I wake up to use the bathroom before. The thing is, my mind wanders a lot. Honestly, I really believe in FILD but I end up falling asleep before I even try it.
Also its kinda hard for me to do so, as weekdays are school nights and I go bed around 8/9 and have to wake up around 6Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphin
Noticing more awakenings is actually very simple. All you have to do is be more aware. Just pay more attention to what's happening while you're sleeping.
Last time I recorded the times of awakenings, I went to sleep at 8:00 and woke up at about 11:50, 1:15, 2:20, 2:35, 3:30, 3:55, 4:40, ect. I woke up more times but was too lazy to record them.
As far as relaxing, make a fist, a real tight one. Do you feel the tension? Good! Now, let go of that tension. Now that you know what tension feels like and how to let go of it, look for tension in other areas of your body and let go of it in the same way you let go of the tension in your fist. You don't have to increase the tension, though, before you let go of it.
Am I missing something significant here? 9 or 10 hours of sleep is a ton, I get between 6 and 8 and average 6 wakings, so you can easily accomplish that with at least 2 hours more than me a night.Quote:
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I don't really use relaxation, but when I wake up on Wed every hour it is fairly easy to get back to sleep, since it leaves me a bit tired and it causes me to only enter light sleep after the 2nd awakening at midnight, often after that I just drift in and out of light sleep awakening in the middle of each hour and also just before each subsequent alarm like 1-2 minutes before they go off.
But on other days I can have trouble going to sleep.
But from much practice trying to fall asleep, i have noticed that when I am about to fall asleep I see a flashing in my foveae (part of eye with greatest vision), it seems to oscillate at about 1.5 seconds or so, brighter, dimer, brighter, dimer, so often I will first say some Mantra type stuff, then I actually try to induce this effect. Then I begin to see it flash and then often I am asleep, of course what is a while latter but seems instantaneous I am dreaming but unaware. Last night I awoke partially paralyzed thinking I was still falling asleep, but then as I try to lay still remembered many dream segments and so after failing to DEILD got up and recorded them.
Continuing to use this technique (to induce sleep) near normal wake time I was waking up more then every hour from a dream for instance I woke at 5:50 am and also at 6:10 am a mere 20 min latter but with at least 3-5 minutes of dream.
Just joined DV and am pretty new to lucid dreams and everything. Can you explain what intention settings and mantras are? and can you explain what awareness training you use? I've been trying really hard to go lucid and i think this message board can really help me. thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spock
A mantra is something you say over and over, and is used in intention setting they are pretty much the same and differ from prospective memory which is remembering to do something in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by jfriday11
So suppose I realize that I dream about a certain dead relative a lot, I might have a mantra like "When I see so-and-so I'll know that I am dreaming" , or they could be more general like just before you fall asleep say "The next place I am will be a dream" or "I'll recognize when I'm dreaming" etc.
Suppose that you fall asleep very fast normally and so aren't sure you can say these things in your mind like 10-20 times at least because you will fall asleep to fast (maybe not at bed time put possibly through out the night on each awakening). In that case do something to make yourself a bit uncomfortable like cross your legs funny, then when you have done enough times uncross and fall back asleep.
Be careful how you choose your mantra, never choose things like "I will not have nightmares" as your subconscious could leave a word or two out and end up with an intention of "I will have nightmares" or "I have nightmares" or just "nightmares" so consider this when planning your mantra.
Prospective memory is different from intention setting. You throughout the day say to your self as you reality check "I will remember to stabilize" "I will remain clam" "I will attempt to do a jump test" "I will remember to check my pockets for stuff"
Having set the intention to become lucid especially on a wake back to bed (where you have plenty of sleep and will have longer sharper dreams, and that will begin sooner after you fall asleep) (and staying awake long enough to set it well) will increase your chances of becoming lucid. Associating the things you need (like stabilize and be calm) and want (like fly, or find candy or your super phone in your pocket) with your RC will help you remember to do these once you reality check in the dream on becoming lucid.
Now along with trying FILD, sometimes during the day I will look around and notice my surroundings and pay attention to details to create awareness. As well, I take intervals to practice saying a mantra and visualize myself becoming lucid from past dreams and then doing what I want.
jfriday11,
Sorry for my late reply - about intention setting (e.g. mantras) and prospective memory - see cooleymd's reply... I do it after my RC+awareness, and I also visualize becoming lucid or particular dream scenes that I want to achieve.
My process during the day is that during the day I "randomly" (not at specific times) do ~3 times the following:
awareness+RC - awareness is essentially tuning into your senses and focusing on your surrounding. Every little noise, smell, or sensation, etc... Things you would normally miss or ignore. Just observe your environment focusing on what's happening around you. Take the time to do it, like a couple of minutes. Awareness for me is the first Reality Check - so while I'm doing it I check if anything is unusual, or if dream signs are present, etc, and ask myself thing like where have I been, where am I heading, etc. (and really think about my answer - does it make sense?). After that, I do one or two more RCs from my favorite list, things like: nose plug (internal / external), blinking and observing if anything changed, counting fingers and observing if the hands are normal, try to see my own nose / eyebrows / mustachio and move them (which I can do in waking life), etc.
Then comes the part of intention setting and prospective memory and visualizing being lucid or being in a particular dream (like daydreaming). These depend on your goals - so customize the wording / visuals based on them. Also, just choose a couple, don't go overboard.
I also do the same just before going to sleep, and during some awakenings at night.
Apart from that I try to RC+awareness at every awaking - to avoid false awakenings, i.e. dreams that start by waking up and thus are harder to catch (because they have a logical beginning).
Im a week in and its 1 step forward, 1 step backward.
For example I got to the point where I was having multiple, clear dreams 2-3 nights in a row where I woke up and remembered them and recorded them
..........and then, boom, 2-3 nights where I know I had dreams but no idea what about. Wake up foggy.
Im currently no where even close to lucidity.
However, I have noticed the day time nap strategy has potential. It seems like you fall into dream sleep way faster on the couch at 3, than I do in bed at bedtime.
I have the odd time where I don't have any recall either. Don't let it phase you and let it go.
Just start with a clean slate every night.
How do you remain motivated after a nights failure? Like some days I prepare so much for lucid dreaming and am excited to do so at night but then nothing happens and I get discouraged. Like no matter how many times I say I can do it, there is always this nagging thought telling me otherwise.
and btw, how long should awareness be done, I try to do it for like 5 minutes.
Artax is it on weekends your recall goes up and on weekdays it goes down? that would be about getting lots of sleep and being relaxed, that is the way it is for me, tho I can often recall like 2-3 segments from each of 4cycles during week nights, but on weekends and especially last cycle of night recall is good.
Kamenriderbaron, sure I had lucid 77 this weekend but I didn't stabilize and lasted only about 10 seconds, tho I flew and the look on the kids and dogs face was priceless as I jumped into the air.
But even in that dream seeing an old school bike with the huge front tire stolen chained to a post and then seeing 4 women dressed in 1850's grab with hats and bows and such and men in top hats at an 1850's style diner was more interesting then the lucid take off.
In fact If I was to rank the lucid among dreams this weekend it would come in third. Behind two excellent non-lucid dreams :)
so learn to enjoy all your dreams, I even managed to spot a schema in one of the two, tho only upon waking reflection. As to which of those two was best it seems pretty much a tie but with the short lucid a distant third place :)
Kamenriderbaron:
like cooleymd already said it is very IMPORTANT that you appreciate all your dreams and found them interesting and like to think and remember your normal dreams too. see it like this: when you get up and sit on the toilet it is way nicer to remember some cool dreams you had that night and treat it like a comic or a movie you can "watch" while doing your dump and that every night for free. way better than waking up and already thinking about how exhausting or bad your day will be or what you have to do etc.
your NLD are the raw material from which you can learn how to lucid dream. you need to know how you dream, how you fall asleep, how you wake up at nights etc.you need to get familiar with the whole dreaming package that way your lucids will come way easier.
every night is your playground to experiment and to practice. try to stay positiv. the longrun and the consistent practice is super important. the sooner you get this and stay equanimous the better you get because you will do one step after another in the right direction. you on the other hand see it more like a sprint. you do one day a hell lot of daywork and effort and expect to see instant results the night "nothing" happen (means no lucid but maybe your dreams are more detailed? more present? or you can recall more dreams? that is a big success already!) and you get discouraged and you make a lot of steps back with this setting so you the next day you stand still or move back instead of every day a handfull of daywork and good intention setting at night and if no lucids? no problem i can do this amount of work every day and maybe after 5 or 7 days of this constant work my recall and presence in dreams gets gradualy higher until i get my lucid "just like that".
there are way to many variables to just like that can do a sprint that turns into a lucid. on some days you do everything right and perfect but just dont get a lucid because you are to tired, eat something wrong, had something on your mind etc. sometimes it seems the day was doomed and you couldnt concentrate and had a lot on your mind and you go to bed and dont believe to get a lucid but nevertheless you set your intention and just like that you get an awesome lucid from it.
same with your awareness practice. the continuity is imortant dont burn yourself up. do as much possible but in a way you can do it over a long time. try to shut of your autopilot as often as possible. it is okay to zoom out or loose awareness the gaining it back and noticing that you was away is the imoortant part. try to stay constantly critical concenring your state -> am i awake or asleep'? this question should be constantly in the back of your head and everytime you notice you zoned out its like a high five in your face with a chair and you are like: wait wtf where was i the last minutes what did i do am i dreaming?! :)
hope i could help you. if not tell me and i will try again with different words :)
Truth, I find it fun to keep a dream journal and my dream recall is getting better.
Took me 40 years..mbut that was because I never heard of lucid dreaming 😊After I read about it in ETWOLD, 3 days.
Could school/work have an effect on attempts to lucid dream? Like I take a very rigorous school program and sometimes I need to get a good nights sleep before the test. Would attempting to Lucid dream may be have an effect on my schooling or the other way around. Should I set aside LD practice for school?
I honestly only got this far reading through replies so far but this one centence here interested me greatly and I felt I needed to have my part on it, even if just writing this reply out helps me to make sense of it myself and gives me a way to return to this comment with ease.Quote:
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I notice this too, it seems that the more vivid my dream gets the more it feels like anything just beyond the dream's reality is dark and empty, like western movie prop buildings. Like everything although appearing three dimentional is infact two dimentional, like watching a movie. This is what I interpreted as 'dream feel' along with an ever-shifting mindset during my last LD. I actually found that I was quite interested in finding out how the dream was structured, feeling like maybe if I reached out I could touch and tear through the fabric of the dream. What would be on the other side? The rest of the dream? Another dreamscape? Or maybe a void which I could step into like others use doors, windows or even mirrors in a dream?
However my ever changing mindset, paired with a lack of discipline and dream control meant I wasn't able to focus on this and get very far with it. I did teleport in the dream but it was more of a "I want to be over there" thing rather than a "I want to teleport" thing.
Thanks for bringing this up here, I know it's off the topic of the thread for me to put this here like this and for that I apologize but maybe it's food for thought for us inexperienced LDers to look into as a means of realizing the difference between awareness whike awake and realizing you are aware of a dream. Now for me to just figure out how to accurately visualise this during MILD so that my mind recognises it and goes "hey, wasn't this important to you? Check it out!".
Certainly you might want to give up your WILD attemptsQuote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
but the next time your taking a test re-read the questions see if they have changed since you first read them, if so reality check.
also next time your taking a test and your naked, you are likely dreaming, or got a very poor nights sleep and forgot to get dressed :)
No reason to stop intention setting, reality checking, and at awakening checking for FA, and unless your late for the test no excuse to stop journaling either. Maybe give up on the wake back to bed via alarm tho. If you wake naturally you might want to just audio tag your dream journal on a cell phone hanging from the ceiling on a string, and go straight back to bed tho so as not to risk insomnia. Just hit record button and yell out 'Beach, beached whale, tidal wave, Pamela Anderson' (or whatever the dream was) then roll over and fall asleep fast.
I don't try WILD, just FILD, which shouldn't make me lose too much sleep. I personally don't think that could cause me any trouble. My grades are still fine. I go to bed at 9 and wake up at one to do so. I have to wake up around 6 though.
FILD ultimately is a variant of WILD as you maintain awareness from the waking state through to the dreaming state as opposed to DILD and it's variants where you gain your awareness from within the dream state. Maintaining awareness generally makes it harder to actually fall asleep.
Cooleymd was likely suggesting you go with DILDs as there is very little before bed work and no need to maintain awareness while falling asleep. Actually dropping the WILD/FILD attempts for a while might even help cause you to DILD, did for me.
I have been trying awareness some times during the day, but I kind of find it mentally exhausting. But I tend to visualize myself becoming lucid from previous dreams, so I hope that helps.
As well, should I still keep my dream journal along with focusing on school?
Absolutely. I work long and stressful hours and on busy days I don't have any dream recall but I still make the effort each morning to open to a fresh page, date the top and write what I tried, how I felt waking up, how many times I remember waking up (also a great way to realise your micro awakenings) and if I checked the time what times I woke and the final time of awakening. This alone can do wonders and you will start to see patterns, it will internalise in your subconsious aswell, as something important to you so that it can make a point of 'notifying' you when these things occur.
I find my quality of sleep is increasing as I record my sleep patterns, they are still fairly erratic due to work but they have become more steady. This will help you to remain focussed at school through the day as you will be rested and also remember actually sleeping well.
Thanks for the advice. I also tend to notice, that I think their is a part of me that thinks its way too good to be true to happen to me. Like when I imagine myself becoming lucid, I feel like its only a fantasy or something like that, especially when I hear all the cool things people do.
3 weeks for the first one then about 2 months for the second one.
Is there such thing as trying too hard btw?
No, but there is such a thing as stressing, which kills lucidity. If you are stressing, the odds of getting lucid plummet. This could be from work, school, friends, family, or just about LDing. When people work really hard on lucid dreaming they tend to stress and it works against them. The key is to work really hard and not stress. Or work as hard as you can without stressing.
Do you think trying to LD each day would be trying too hard?
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Since Sensei apparently attempts to Wild 2500+ times per year he won't likely think so :)Quote:
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but with his < 20% overall success rate will he even succeed 500 times :) he he :)
I succeed about 520 times last year, but that is wilds and DILDs and that number is getting higher. I wild about 104 times last year.
I recommend just having things in your schedule that you can do everyday, if it is something that you can't do every day without stressing, then it isn't something that you should try to do everyday. Maybe make it a weekly thing if you can't do it daily. That being said, if you aren't doing something every day, then you will keep getting better.
Thanks. Btw, what are some good Dream Journals I could read here for inspiration?
As well I try using awareness, but I feel like I might be doing half-heartedly. Any tips on how to make it more genuine?
I personally like my dream journal.
Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - Zödra - Dream Journals
But that might just be because it is mine, haha.
Hyu however is the guy that kept me on lucid dreaming when I was about to quit.
Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - Hyu's Adventures - Dream Journals
Check them out, let me know what you think. This right here might make hyu's make more sense.
Persistent realms and other lucid dreaming techniques I use. - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
By this point I would suggest starting new threads under new topics, this way people later on searching for the other things discussed here will have a better chance at finding them.
Wow those ones are pretty cool, are there any others on this forum, that are like that. I mean like feature anime or videogames in their lucid dreams?
The best place to get ideas for your lucid dreams is from your non-lucid dreamsQuote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
I had 3 LD yesterday one was mostly being in the void
one was being partly in the void, like I could see the road and walk on it but there was nothing but the road surrounded by nothingness, tho this was only some of the time.
the last LD I gained lucidity and then lost it after about 2 minutes
However, I also had two non-lucid dreams, one of which I was in a pod flying thru a tube across a futuristic city, when I asked my self what city is this I could only come up with probably one in Texas (so much for awareness)
Point is it was one of those dream scapes where I often find myself non-lucidly saying "If only I could dream like this" (I mean that I literally say this to myself in some dreams, then latter I wake up)(tho I didn't actually say it in this dream)
at the end of the dream I had entered a restricted area with the pilot and was being escorted out towards a stair case, it was one that descended in a circle of flights of stairs, so I dove thru the door and ran in circles at high speed until it occurred to me to use my centripetal force to just run on the walls, I could hear security falling more and more floors behind, so I even had a super power in this non lucid dream, then I woke up
in the final dream of the night I never became lucid, but I had a dream that I was in an air raid bunker and when I went to the surface with others we were under attack by strange alien creatures everywhere, they slaughtered everyone else, but I discovered that when I made a high pitched sound there was a bluish light in the center of the creatures and they were in pain and took damage, some charged me and even died.
(so again in a non-lucid I had a super power) When they retreated I had captured one of them who looked like Repichep from Narnia, but he impaled himself rather than be taken back to the lab.
So which dream was most awesome who knows
the two most important dreams were the lucids in which I survived the void and the one where I was able to avoid losing sight entirely, because each of these gave me more experience in stability (even tho they were unstable dreams) in the first one I fought and fought and fought to avoid losing the dream, I almost lost several times, then remembered get up and move, even tho I was nearly dream-paralyzed and totally blind, I got up began walking and survived the void. In the second when I was losing sight, I looked at what little of the dreamscape I had, the road, and thought just walk walk move move, and again I survived.
Clearly the city which had hundreds if not thousands of buildings in it and the tube that looked part glass part force field, was just spectacular.
The dream of the alien invasion was the best narrative of the night.
Remember 'If you can dream it: you can dream it'. So record your non-lucids and learn all you can.
Neat. I think I might also try DEILD, I have been practicing with visualizing myself becoming lucid in past dreams, that's how it works correct?
DEILD is when you're becoming aware during the process of waking up or just as you wake up - and jump straight to a WILD. One option - the easiest in my opinion - is to visualize the previous dream scene.Quote:
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Just a few minutes ago I gave a more complete response about DEILD on a different thread, so I'll link you there:
Why is DEILD not working for me now?
My first LD was after 2 days it was the longest lucid dream but i've been trying LD since 2 years but i hadn't enough informations and reality checks i had a big lack of informations so last year i decided to give it a try again and it worked perfectly :) well you need to believe that you'll have an LD just believe it because it's your mind after all you need to convince him that it will occur and also you need to work hard >< good luck :)
Hey all I have recently been trying FILD and DEILD recently. I wake up after 4hrs and a half and I notice that I feel exhausted. However I end up falling asleep quickly before I can try it. Should I set my alarm someplace where I have to look for it for a little bit to wake me up for a bit?
For DEILD you don't wake up for more than a few seconds, and you don't move, falling asleep quickly is the only way to succeed. For me when I attempt it I notice that my eyes are like flashing (because I am exiting a dream, like literally seconds afterward, it feels like I'm falling asleep but really I'm micro awakening) I don't even open my eyes much less turn to look at a clock or move body, you try to fall asleep but into a dream, often I will feel tingling paralysis set in but the only time or two that I have succeeded I just instantly find myself in a dream, if you 'wake up a bit' it isn't Dream Exit its Wake Back To Bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
For FILD I suppose you could do WBTB.
If you for some reason don't want to fall asleep quickly because you want to do MILD then cross your legs or something to be a bit uncomfortable, do your manta to set intention for a while, then uncross and possibly roll over to be more comfortable and then quickly fall back to sleep (the idea being that you don't wake your self up much (so you can still fall asleep quickly) but delay sleep long enough to do the MILD setup)
Do I have to visualize my previous dream or can it be any dream I remember vividly?
Can work with either, or even things like counting breaths or just plain mantra. However visualizing the previous dream is the easiest way to go - because the previous dream is usually on your mind and thus easier to recall and visualize without fully waking up. In DEILD the key is to wake up as little as possible so you can quickly fall asleep (maintaining some awareness, hopefully).Quote:
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Are Lucid dreams really as vivid as real life or look like real life? I think a problem is that part of me is having trouble thinking that this amazing thing could actually happen. I feel like my subconscious is too small to actually encapture an entire world?
Most of my LDs are as vivid as real life, so yes they generally are. Some LDs can be cartoonish (literally look animated), others might be foggy and not as vivid, and sometimes they can even be more vivid than real life. I mean, I know that this is a large thing to swallow unless you've experienced it yourself, but yes, some can be more vivid even. Sometimes the colors will be brighter, or resolution greater, or a greater field of view, or some extra-sensory input, or even some kind of feeling of, hmmm, purity or knowledge - it's really hard to describe in words.Quote:
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By the way, with sufficient control you can change the vividness of the dream.
What you see in real life isn't the entire world - it's merely your interpretation of it based on sensory input (vision, balance, time perception, etc, etc) and a very complicated set of heuristics and feedback loops ("logic" and "emotions")...Quote:
I feel like my subconscious is too small to actually encapture an entire world?
If you call your interpretation of the entire world just "entire world", than it shouldn't surprise you that your subconscious can encapture it - in fact, it does this very same thing every day. Your brain does this while you read this reply, and essentially it does this in the background every fragment of a second from a few weeks after your conception up until the brain dies. That's the role of our brain - to create a "native" simulation of reality.
If the brain can do this for hopefully 120+ years, than why can't this happen while dreaming!?
Do those "animated dreams" feel quite vivid as well? One of my goals is to lucid dream myself into an animated world.
I think animated dreams suck a bit. Once I set an intention to dream of marketing a new Victoria's Secret product, and would need super models for testing :). I found myself in a train station and several A-H from work were there, a train pulled in and they got on, but I missed it. Next I was left at the station and when I looked down it was full of trash, but when I looked in the trash there were tons and tons of still wrapped lingerie, like dozens and dozens of them spread all over the ground among bags and papers and junk. There were some pets running loose in the station too. Then another train arrived and I quickly got on. The seats on the light rail train cars were all weirdly arranged and the train was jagged, wider in some spots with like booth table arranged chairs in the jutting areas. I decided to move further back in the train (on the real train you can't move from car to car in this city), suddenly I found my self in the light rail dining car. I was like B.S. this is a dream, and so I reached out and grabbed a DC, instantly they turned into a cartoon like person, and the train became cartoon like and the top of the train ripped open and there were cartoon angels and cartoon demons flying everywhere in the sky, and I was like this F'n sucks. It was one of only two times in Lucid Dreams that I wanted to commit dream suicide, but before I could find a way to kill the dream I woke up :)Quote:
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On the original subject, one month to the day of starting to read ETWOLD and setting intention to recall dreams, I had my first LD at the end of a very long vivid and present dream. It totally changed my life!
I have been practicing all day awareness. Some times during the day, I take around minutes to be aware of my surroundings. However, sometimes my mind tends to wander when I try to be aware, like I notice my surroundings or try to and there are some thoughts in my way, so I sometimes feel like my attempts are half-hearted. Could this effect my DILD chances?
second with FILD, I think I've figured out my dilemma. When I wake up, I tend to get on my back and relax like visualize myself becoming lucid or recall a previous dream. It works but I then tend to roll over on my stomach when I get tired, which is the position I fall asleep in, and I tend to have trouble visualizing and then I fall asleep with no FILD. Should I just remain on my back then?
Also recently I've been trying ADA, but I find it difficult to concentrate at times. What tips could be useful for that?
My tip is to not do ADA. :PQuote:
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Lots disagree with me tho.
Recently as well, my dream recall has gone back down and it troubles me.
Repeating a mantra helps with both concentration and recall problems. Don't quit repeating your mantra before you fall asleep or else you'll miss out on some of it's benefits. Try to repeat your mantra at all times while conscious in bed.
Honestly, I've kind of avoided mantras as my mind tends to wander a lot/
Sometimes it's hard, I can't fall asleep repeating a mantra because I put too much focus into it which keeps me awake.Quote:
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I repeat it quite a lot during the day though, have had some success with this when I want to attempt to keep my eyes shut and body still upon awakening.
But, given that a major reason for using a mantra is as a tool for focus to help prevent your mind from wandering, a mantra might be just the thing for you... it might be worth looking into trying one after all!Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
I don't want to do mantras but they are the best thing.
Two months. Happened suddenly, I actually gave up a few days before it.
I find when I have trouble falling asleep while repeating a mantra, it's because I'm thinking too much because my mind is wandering.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
Take a breath, say your mantra, and then think either about nothing or about your mantra until it's time to take your next breath. Don't think about whether you're falling asleep or not, or else your mind will be wandering.
Try to keep your mind from wandering during your first repetition of your mantra. If you're successful, try to replicate this success during your next repetition. Repeat trying to replicate the success of the previous repetition until you're in a dream. If you catch your mind wandering, just start all over again by trying to repeat your mantra one time without your mind wandering before trying to replicate that success with each next repetition until you're in a dream.
It doesn't matter how many repetitions you can go without your mind wandering. What does matter is that you are able to catch your mind wandering and start again.
Rather than thinking you have to maintain concentration over many repetitions, think about how easy it is to maintain concentration during single one repetition and how easy it is to replicate that success one more time. Thinking in terms of baby steps should make it seem much more manageable which will help give you the confidence you need to succeed.
I've figured out my issue in regards to FILD and DEILD. I set my alarm to wake me up after 4 hrs and 30 min, but when I wake up I end up being so tired to try FILD and DEILD. I think of staying on my back but I end rolling over in my normal sleeping position and then I fall asleep to quickly in order to try FILD or DEILD. What are some tips for my dilemma?
You are supposed to fall asleep quickly with deild and fild, your problem is bringing your awareness up and bringing wit with you. It is exceedingly hard for me to deild unless I have a lucid before it, not just a normal dream. If you have a non lucid dream, you need to make sure to get the awareness you need and then dive back down into the dream.Quote:
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^^ What Sensei said.
Also:
The clearest tip I can think of here is that you practice a little discipline! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
Next time you're in this situation, try a little harder to remain on your back, don't submit too quickly to the rollover urge. To help, you could try setting an intention at bedtime that says something like, "When I wake up, I will stay on my back and do my DEILD."
Much of LD'ing success lies in patiently working with your mind and body to get them to do things that they are naturally a bit unwilling to do; especially in the beginning. Your body really wants to go right back to sleep during micro-awakenings (when you would do a DEILD, or get up for WBTB and WILD), and your drowsy mind is not interested in focusing on something as odd as staying awake while your body goes back to sleep. So it is up to you, and your willpower, to convince your body to hold still, your eyes to stay closed, and your mind to stay focused on the dream... it's not easy, especially at first, but with a little discipline you should be able to find the strength to avoid rolling over and get on with your transition to lucidity.
Lately, I've been having not a very good week and feeling kind of down at times. It reduces my motivation to LD like try awareness or reality checks or DILD. How do I remain motivated despite feeling down?
Maybe you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
If you are enduring issues or moods that take your mind away from LD'ing, it might be best to step away from the practice for a little while, until you can find yourself honestly enthusiastic about LD'ing again. If you are not into it, LD'ing day work can become a real nuisance, and that feeling of annoyance at having to do, say, RC's, might linger after your mood swings back to positive; that is never a good thing... A key element of a successful lucid mindset is being able to recognize the times that doing lucidity work might not be worth the effort, or might even be counter-productive.
So you might take a break from LD'ing until your heart can be in the effort. Who knows? your dreaming mind might try to lift your spirits with a spontaneous LD in the meantime!
OR: kamenriderbaren you should stop trying WILD techniques perhaps thinking, if Sageous can pretty much 'wild at will' with a mere 3.5 decades of experience LDing while you have a whole 4.5+ months of attempting to reach first LD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
and instead try to DILD using MILD which is generally a better starting point
In LD nothing matters as much as experience, not recall, not triggering, not stabilization, not prospective memory, not control.
And while it is true if you randomly one night succeed in WILD or FILD you will have more WILD experience than I do (with my 1-2 DEILD, not sure if I actually did the second one), in the mean time you might have had 3-10 DILD by now if you were practicing MILD from the start.
(EDIT notice you actually joined a few years ago, but If I recall right you have been trying intensely for several months now, sorry also if you did have some success but I don't recall you saying you succeeded)
Well one time I tried FILD and I was close as I saw flashing purple lights and I felt a sensation over my body.
I tried MILD but it didn't work for me, as my mind wanders a lot and I feel like I'm saying the phrase half-heartily. Latelty I've been trying wbtb but when I set my alarm for 4 hrs after I sleep, I sleep at 9 and should wake up at one, but I end up waking up around 3 or something, and not tired at all.
Well, if you ask me WBTB is one of the most effective ways to lucid dream, I recommend doing it multiple times a night. Night work needs to be important if you are going to lucid dream. :)Quote:
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Ok, I tried FILD and as I did, I felt a sensation on my eyelids, like they were getting tighter or something. I also felt some numbness near my hand and also my body felt tensions and my chest built up a lot of pressure as well. Are these significant?
Like are these indicators that I was undergoing a transition?
Not necessarily.Quote:
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The only reliable indicator of your transition from wake to sleep to dream during WILD (FILD is a technique for achieving WILD's BTW) is the appearance of the dream itself. All the other stuff is just so much noise that is going on whenever you fall asleep, but you happen to be noticing it during WILD.
The noise really amounts to little more than a distraction, and would probably be best ignored -- at most, you might consider things like HI or extreme relaxation/REM atonia onset as roadmarks along the way, but nothing more. The physical sensations you listed probably fall into the latter category; they could certainly indicate that you were on your way to your dream, but try not to pay too much attention to them, lest they distract you from completing your WILD dive.
As I mentioned I don't have much success with even DEILD but I did have an unusual experience a short while back. Maybe it was some form of WILD or DEILD but it seems a mix of something else. I may have been trying to go to sleep after a long while, or more likely I was in a slight sleep after a dream (but not at dream exit). I found myself aware, in a vague sense of being in a strange state (like when your trying to fall asleep but your mind has wandered), I knew I was lying down (possibly I was just dreaming I was lying down) and their was something of a vague dreamscape around me. It occurred to me just get up and start moving (in this sense it was a bit like VOID survival where in addition to stabilizing I often find it helpful to just begin moving and feeling specifically for door knobs to open a door to a new dreamscape). So without trying to move my real body (in case I was in a light sleep and would suddenly kick awake in bed) I just was thinking get up get up move move, and it worked I was suddenly running thru a dim dreamscape, which eventually got move vivid and in which I was fully lucid and had decent prospective memory and some control. Other than noticing that I was in this strange light sleep state I didn't notice any paralysis etc, tho I was likely already in it. If not some sort of WILD such as Very_Light_Sleep_ILD than surely some sort of DILD such as Barely_Dreaming_ILD perhaps :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
Vividness varied from dim to darkness to dim to detailed
Stability was not enhanced except possibly thru continued movement LUCID for approximately two and a half minutes
ADDITION:
kamen:
If I were you I would stop trying to WILD and learn to DILD first
here is why for me at least
I don't know about you but when I go to sleep with mantra and then wake up over and over to return to sleep again and again with mantra and finally realize it is time to get up and go to work, or on weekend that I just can't get back to sleep because I have slept way to much to even try, I have failed, but my attitude is Oh well tomorrow or next weekend I'll succeed. Sure if my intention gives me insomnia instead of lucid dream I'm a bit pissed off, but not that much and figure that I'll have more dreams tomorrow, because I'll be tired.
It is entirely different when I try WILD, Failure there leaves me extremely pissed off, while at the same time wanting to laugh at my attempt as I often test the limits of sleep paralysis and break out (the only way to find the line with sleep paralysis is to cross it and I always manage to find the line by unparalyzing myself, both funny and extremely annoying).
Some day perhaps I'll make a serious effort to WILD (where I am either super-tired with hours of sleep, or super rested with tons of sleep and napping), but I think I would take the following approach. Wait for Thursday and then stay up all night don't get any sleep at all (and just in case of failed WILD the next night also keep mind active all night and intensify RC for possible DILD success). Then go to work tired, come home and stay up quite a while with active mind and increased RC then go to sleep late super tired, with no intention setting to wake or mantra, and then Sleep like 4.5 to 5 hours with 2 alarms set like a few minutes apart to not just wake me but B-Slap me awake. Then get up move around etc for like 10+ minutes then make the actual attempt even if I lay their for many hours just maintain consciousness to the bitter end. Then the next day I would get lots of sleep using my usual technique of waking over and over with manta back to sleep, but if no DILD ever came and I reached to point where I just couldn't nap any longer then make the second attempt by laying still for hours and hours in a WILD attempt.
Most likely I would fail to WILD and would be first super tired and pissed off and failed, and then super rested and super pissed and failed. This I why I currently prefer DILD, It is better to have some insomnia or a bunch of non-lucid recalled dreams then to remember wasting 3 hours in discomfort of trying to remain motionless and resist the temptation to break out of sleep paralysis.
If you're just going to bed each night with the hope of a WILD when you first lay down and then waking up 6.5 hours latter well rested with poor dream recall your probably wasting not just your time but your dreams too.
Btw, what would be the best way to gain motivation? Reading about LD stuff maybe like an hr before bed or little snippets of it during the day?
Your motivation should be why you want to LD. For me, the answer to this question is what keeps me going and focused on my goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
If you havent had an LD yet, you will have to draw inspiration from those that have... and believe me it is worth it! You will see places you have never seen before...places that are better than real life. You will do things you cant do in real life (I could give you a list of what I have done). You will experience love like you have never felt before. And it will seem real to you! Once you experience it I think then motivation isnt a problem.
If you havent had an LD yet, you will have to draw inspiration from those that have... and believe me it is worth it! You will see places you have never seen before...places that are better than real life. You will do things you cant do in real life (I could give you a list of what I have done). You will experience love like you have never felt before. And it will seem real to you! Once you experience it I think then motivation isnt a problem.
Hello. I know it's been a while since I've posted but due to school being over, I've been able to focus on Lucid dreaming now. I have a problem. I mean, I do wake myself up using an alarm. but the thing is, I end up so tired I don't even try to lucid dream. How can I overcome this?
WBTB generally means that you wake yourself up a bit. So get out of bed and walk about for a few minutes etc. Then maybe read dream views for a few minutes etc. Then begin mantra.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
If you are trying to do a DEILD then obviously you don't want to do any of these things, but rather lay still and try to fall into a dream within seconds of waking (so you could try this for the first 5-10 seconds then get up if/when you fail, then do a more full wake back to bed)
at the very least if you don't manage to even try (/succeed at) DEILD then attempt to do recall and journal then say mantra at least a few times, if necessary assume uncomfortable position for a few seconds, like legs twisted funny etc to prevent not being able to repeat it at least a few times
Мне понадобилось 3 месяца, чтобы увидеть свой первый ОС. Узнал летом 2011 года через интернет. Потом читал Стивена Лабержа. Ложил тетрадку рядом с кроватью. Ночью просыпался и записывал сны. 1 же ОС приснился в конце августа начале сентября 2011. Я осознался у себя дома. В руках держал автомобильное зеркало. Именно из за зеркала я и понял, что сплю. Потом пришёл в другую квартиру, но она выглядела так же, как моя. И в той квартире я встретил существо в форме сердца. Решил, что это неорган (неорганическое сновиденное существо). Закрыл это человекообразное сердце сверху зеркалом. Получился этакий зеркальный колпак. После этого я проснулся.
It took me 3 months to see its first OS. I learned the summer of 2011 through the Internet. Then I read Stephen LaBerge. Gested a notebook beside the bed. At night, I woke up and wrote down dreams. 1 had a same OS in late August, early September 2011. I realized at home. In his hands he held a car mirror. It is because of the mirror and realized I was dreaming. Then he came to another apartment, but she looked the same as mine. And in that apartment I met a creature in the shape of a heart. I decided that it neorgan (inorganic substance of dreams). I close this humanoid heart on top of a mirror. The result was a sort of mirror cap. Then I woke up.
I want to say that most people have their first lucid dream anywhere between a couple of weeks to three months. I, however, had to wait more than a year! :cackle: With you already being close with the FILD technique, I wouldn't worry too much. If three months is how long you've been trying, it's really not that long when you look at the big picture. :)
I've been trying wbtb and I have a few questions. How long should I wake up and can I combine it with FILD or something?
Hello, It's been a while. I haven't really been keeping up with my Ld'ing in a while and I want to get back into it. Due to my slight slacking, has my progress been delayed?
If your dream recall is still good you should be ok
How many LD so far, I have nearly 100 :) once I hit it I'll reset it to 96 intentional LD after the next one :)
then when I hit 100 intentional I'll reset it to 96 since joining DreamViews, then after I hit 100 again I'll set it back up to 111 at the next one :) that way I get three one-hundredth LD :)
Tbh, I haven't been doing much lucid dreaming stuff lately due to some school stress such as reality checks or Wild, but I don't want to give up on lucid dreaming entirerly. Is there anything I could do in the meantime to make some little progress with my lucid dreaming?
try drinking water and doing natural wake back to bed, and journaling on each awakening (unless your prone to insomnia) and each time you go to sleep (especially on latter awakenings) do mantras and such, and RC during the day and most especially when getting ready in the morning (to detect any false awakenings)
I too face much stress possibly for the remainder of the year, and it is affecting my sleep, my recall and probably my ability to Lucid, but I still try to dream and trigger. However, I find my mind wandering and lack focus even in my dreams (at least most of them)
just keep up as much of your practice as you can.
I still manage to keep my dream journal and I find that my recall is better and my dreams are quite realisitic tbh, so I hope that helps.
It took me something like 3 months of doing reality tests during the day and affirmations at night to have a lucid dream. I starting doing WILDs some time after being successful at 'dream induced' lucid dreaming. It took about 4 or 5 attempts before I had my first full WILD. The first few WILD attempts I did not get past the vibrational stage, those first few tries resulted mostly in sensations of lifting out of my body or falling, I still found those experiences very thrilling at the time.
When you visualize being in a past dream, how do you do it exactly?
Also, how do you prevent your thoughts from wandering cuz I have a huge problem with my mind wandering whenever I try to repeat my mantra.
Practice existing in stable lucidity in waking life. Practice remembering and reciting your mantra, and practice the moment of lucidity and include a little ritual that includes stabilizing, affirming to yourself that you are lucid dreaming, having a good look around and engaging in the dream environment, and recalling and then performing your dream goals. Mindfulness meditation is excellent for promoting lucidity (because you're basically practicing being lucid) and stability once lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
Nice, any tips for visualising past dreams?
tip one read your journal
tip two replay a dream
tip three find an inconsistency
tip four imagine you notice it
tip five imagine you reality check (tip five B imagine it fails and imagine you do a different one)
tip six imagine you succeed and imagine you stabilize
tip seven imagine you recall some goals
tip eight imagine which one is most appropriate for the scene
tip nine imagine you attempt goal (tip nine B imagine you face difficulty and imagine a different solution)
tip ten imagine you succeed
general tip be a bit uncomfortable in bed so you don't fall asleep half way thru imagining all this
general tip B (run thru it more than once or thru more than one dream)
Yeah, the thing is I have a real probem with my wandering mind as I think of really cringe-worthy stuff sometimes and it's really annoying.
Well then maybe try to clear your mind and just lay still and think of nothing, but in the slightly uncomfortable position.
Hoping to get a flash of hypnagogic imagery, this would not be part of a wild attempt but to see what images your mind throws at you as you begin to randomly see dream like images.
Then focus on those while they are there and begin the above tips but with the hypnagogic hallucination as the basis of your selection for focus of imagery
for me most often it will be a female face rush in towards me into focus and then just as fast rush away.
Or a scene of a vehicle like a train or a truck or a tractor driving past me or maybe a conveyor belt with stuff on it.
(We are not talking an imagined image either but rather a full blown crystal clear dream quality image)
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I got my first LD 3 months after discovering lucid dream only with dream journal and reality check.
The thing is , aside from my dream journal, I haven't been doing much lucid dreaming stuff and I worry that when I do start again, it'll take me too long to have my dream.
Self-fulfilling prophecy! Begin an LD practice now, do it ever day, and never quit! It may take a while. But with no practice, it'll be never or only once in a blue moon.Quote:
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I would really like to, but I'm kind of stressed out to do any of that.
so why do you bother to write here anyway? you want lucid dreams but dont want to do anything for it. maybe just quit and wait for affordable Virtual Reality devices?
No don't get me wrong, I really do, it's just lately that I don't have the time because of I have a lot on my plate now and it's kinda frustrating me! I was just letting of some steam, I don't mean to sound lazy.
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Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
Yes stress is the dream killer
I face stress of possible (probable) death of family member, and certainty of having to move, and difficulty of find a place to allow my birds. Also I just came off being on a Jury. Without such stress I predicted dream count from 98 --> 124 by years end, new prediction 98 - 102 by years end.
So don't let attempt to become Lucid help you to acquire the stress that prevents it.
It is pretty damn easy to at least A) drink lots of water at night B) tell yourself a mantra like 'I will be aware when I am dreaming' or at least 'I will remember my dreams' C) when you wake at least go thru some recall attempts D) write down what you remember
Actually developing the ability to trigger, stabilize, acquire prospective memory and exercise control, yea now that's a lot of work.
But come on, just going to sleep with an intention of remembering dreams, drinking to wake up, trying to recall and at least writing down stuff like "Midnite: Zilch (drank 8oz water) 1:30a Nadda (drank 10oz water) 3:00a (drank some water) 4:00a Nope (water) 5:00a Hi Ho Hi Ho off to work I go", come on that's pretty damn easy and likely to get you a lucid in like 3 months (but do some RC on at least your last awakening for the day)
Would it be ok to try lucid dreaming on work/school days?
Of course. There is a whole spectrum of "night practices," including simply setting intention before bedtime to remember your dreams and to become lucid in your dreams. Noticing wakings during the night gives more opportunities for re-setting intention and recalling the earlier dreams, but can be tiring and can be left to those mornings where you don't have to rush off at an early time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
You can always try, since predicting only a few more this year a few days ago I managed 2 despite the killer stress :)
reaching 100 official LD (including 5 counted from child hood / adolescence even tho I probably had many more), soon I'll be up to 100 intentional LD :) and then 100 since joining Dream Views
The competition should help me reach at least 2 more of the 16 days, maybe even 5+ depending on stress levels.
Is it possible to have music playing in the background like a videogame?
sure why not, in the contest for my level this week I'm supposed to spider-man up a wall/building. After losing lucidity in my last lucid I did spider-man up a wall but it didn't count since I wasn't lucid. So all day I have been playing in my mind 'spider-man spider-man does what ever a spider can, looks like us, acts like them, oh yea, he is a spider man' will try to summon the sound in the dream (once lucid) (having rehersed it will increase chance of remembering goal, and when the music starts it will increase the chance of success)Quote:
Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron
looks like my lyrics aren't to accurate :) tho (just checked em)
I believe 4 days. A totem is what make me realize I was dreaming.
I had my first lucid dream sometime in early 2005. It took me about 3 months after doing reality tests daily, then I began branching out toward deliberate induction methods.
Beginners luck. I was reading a book, and it mentioned that it is possible to go to sleep without loosing your daytime consciousness. Thats it. All the information. :D That night, I was going to bed, and stayed aware. Many times I almost drifted away, but than...at once...I was in a forest. In my first attempt I made a WILD, without WBTB. It was this super real, lifelike vivid daytime lucid dream. I was shocked from the reality. I was checking some materials, like wood, and sand. Somehow I couldn't believe that this is a dream, and then the bad idea came in to my head. It is so real, because I am dead. The panic rapidly began to eat me up. I was sitting down on the trunk of a cutted tree, and with my face in my hands, I was crying. Then, in one moment I was in my bed. Of course, after I realized, that this is something so fantastic, that if you can do this, when you want, then it is almost so powerful, like being a wizard. I tried it after many times, with no success. Some years after, I find the whole lucid dream thing, here, on the internet. I really love the lucid dream thing, but today I am more interested in the lucid living, with the "side effect" lucid dreaming, and not reverse. I have a intention to have the lucid dreams, as measurement for my daytime awareness. I am more aware, I have more lucids.
Today I took a nap and when I was, I felt my conscience slipping and even though I was lying on my bed, I felt like all distorted and as if I was walking and standing up with some kind of sheet over me even though I felt I was on my bed. it was so realistic and I felt like I could summon someone, so I tried to summon a girls hands and I felt like I could hodl it breifly before it faded away and I woke up? What does this mean?
2012 and still trying to, wooooh!
Any tips on how to make a persistent dream world? That is something I really want to do
Quite a few months, actually. But it's my most memorable. It didn't last long so I didn't get to do much, but the rush of excitement I felt when I woke up made it amazing.
Took me 15 days, started 31.7 and had 13 LDs since then.
I began lucid dreaming around 4 or 5 years old, having no idea what it was. At about 15 or 16 I started having trouble remembering dreams in general & only in the recent years do I remember them. My first notable recent lucid dreaming experience was about a year ago, when I was 19. Since then I've lucid dreamed maybe 2 or 3 more times(=
I had two dreams with the same guy in it a few weeks ago. The first he was a stranger waiting for septa with my little sister & I inform of an open field in broad daylight. My sister commented about his appearance saying he didn't look like a person but I declined noticing it was just a Boyle on his face. The night following he was in my dreams again. I was in a dark room at night with a twin sized bed to the left of me(white covers with a dark cover sprawled out) & I was crying a lot & hyperventilating & the lights in the room were out, but there was a single candle towards the back center if the room that lit everything up pretty well. Suddenly the man from my previous dream appeared in front of me & wrapped his shoulders around me hugging me. He rubbed my middle back as he pulled my head into his chest & spoke something quietly but I couldn't make out what he was saying because of my crying.
This probably isn't the kinda of dreams you're looking for but I believe he was in it again because before I fell asleep I thought about the guy & wondered about the situation. A quick conscious thought that poured into my dreams I suppose.
Hope this helps a bit(:
Kamenriderbaron, I haven't made any persistent realms in my near 100 intentional lucids (nor any of the others when I was decades younger as a juvenile). However I would think the best approach would be visualization. Start with some place simple or some real place you know (also simple) and then visualize it every time you go to sleep. And also set it as a prospective memory recall goal every time you see an RC trigger in day work. So you see a cat in real life, count your fingers (or what ever RC) and visualize moving thru the same scape, that you visualized several to many times every time you go to sleep. Use the assume an uncomfortable position technique when going to sleep so that you can get thru the whole scene/scape/complex what-have-you, only then relax and go to sleep after the third plus time. Then when you become lucid you will likely remember from all the prospective memory training on your RCs to attempt to find the place, use the around the corner / eye aversion / or door techniques to initially enter the place. Of course since you seem H-ll bent on WILD if you visualize on WBTB maybe you'll just pop into the place and not have to enter.
later on you can add stuff to each room once you have some success like an armory with light sabers, or a Summer Glau, terminator robot factory room, etc :)