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Yep
Care to explain :?: :wink:Quote:
Originally posted by Rtex
Yep
Right, Thought you were gonna ask that.
Your point is very strong. I mean looking backwards its very easy to believe in fate or destiny, but everything is subject to change. Hmmmmm, How to describe my attitude towards this. Well, I guess my view is influenced by my spiritual beliefs a bit. but lets see if an analigy will help,
Ok so lets say 2 years from now Right? but lets say my fried ryan offered for me to go to europe with him, my other option is to goto new zealand.
I chose to go to new zealand and go rock climbing.
so I'm rock climbing in new zealand(hehe, I wish) and I come across a girl and she fell and broke her leg. If i didn't come along she would have died. But I save her and we fall in love and get married. But, what about if i'd have gone to france. then girl would've died I wouldn't have married her and life would be COMPLETLY different. So, if there is fate. which one was "supposed" to happen.
Hope that is clear.
The one that was "supposed" to happen would be the one that happens, because it happened.Quote:
Originally posted by Rtex
Right, Thought you were gonna ask that. *
Your point is very strong. I mean looking backwards its very easy to believe in fate or destiny, but everything is subject to change. Hmmmmm, How to describe my attitude towards this. Well, I guess my view is influenced by my spiritual beliefs a bit. but lets see if an analigy will help,
Ok so lets say 2 years from now Right? but lets say my fried ryan offered for me to go to europe with him, my other option is to goto new zealand.
I chose to go to new zealand and go rock climbing. *
so I'm rock climbing in new zealand(hehe, I wish) and I come across a girl and she fell and broke her leg. If i didn't come along she would have died. But I save her and we fall in love and get married. But, what about if i'd have gone to france. then girl would've died I wouldn't have married her and life would be COMPLETLY different. So, if there is fate. which one was \"supposed\" to happen.
Hope that is clear.
8)
**Raises right eyebrow at Thermonuclear**
IMHO(In My Humble Opinion) Your going in a loop and not answer the question straight out. but if thats the way you want it.
One thing, it hasn't happened yet. so you can't say which one is supposed to happen. Another thing, what if something happens then I go back int time and change what happened. Which one was meant to happen?
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Originally posted by Rtex
**Raises right eyebrow at Thermonuclear**
IMHO(In My Humble Opinion) Your going in a loop and not answer the question straight out. but if thats the way you want it.
One thing, it hasn't happened yet. so you can't say which one is supposed to happen. Another thing, what if something happens then I go back int time and change what happened. Which one was meant to happen?
If you go back in time and change what happened, then what you changed would be whatever the new thing is. And that new thing would be what was ment to happen, because it happened.
Hmmm I can see that i'm not gaining any ground here. But let me rephrase both views as I see them, if not for ya'll then for me.
View one, Fate, Everything that happens is supposed to happen and we can't do anything about.
View two, Whatever happens is up to us, There is not things that are "meant" to happen. just the things that have happened and the might happen.
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Originally posted by Rtex
Hmmm I can see that i'm not gaining any ground here. But let me rephrase both views as I see them, if not for ya'll then for me.
View one, Fate, Everything that happens is supposed to happen and we can't do anything about.
View two, Whatever happens is up to us, There is not things that are \"meant\" to happen. just the things that have happened and the might happen.
There is an infinite amount of possibilitys to every cause. But only one is ment to happen, the one that happens is ment to happen.
Now if you were looking into the future and said something was ment to happen it would just be a guess.
But if you look in the past and say something in the past was ment to happen well of course it was. If time were to rewind and go back to a second before the instance it would still turn out the same way. It was ment to happen because it happened.
But yes, everything does start with choice. But, your choice starts with something that has happened. Cause and Effect i guess, but its not really cause and effect... in a way...
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**Raises right eyebrow at Thermonuclear** [/b]
Quantum Physics anyone?
:lol:
I can't descuss this anymore, My head hurts. :x
It would sadden some people to learn that going 'back in time' is impossible.
Why is it impossible? because there is only one timeline. You could try to go 'back in time' but the place you tried to go to wouldnt exist.
This is a endless Paradox.
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Originally posted by DreamCoil
This is a endless Paradox.
No it is not a endless paradox.
If something happens it was ment to happen because it happened.
It is not a paradox it is just a fact.
Almost every paradox is a story in which impossible events take place and impossible outcomes emerge.
And if it doesnt involve inpossible events then it isnt a paradox :P
who's to say something is meant to be wether it happens or not
webster's definition is
to have in the mind as a purpose
to serve or intend to convey, show, or indicate
to have importance to the degree of
to direct to a particular individual
these all refer to human thought and action, not an abstract event, so for anything to MEAN anything a person must be involved
Somone say quantum physics?!
:D :D :D
Schroedinger's Cat
This is a paradox that contains no impossible events
http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/ardloui...pative/cat.gif
A cat is placed in a box, together with a radioactive atom. If the atom decays, and the geiger-counter detects an alpha particle, the hammer hits a flask of prussic acid (HCN), killing the cat. The paradox lies in the clever coupling of quantum and classical domains. Before the observer opens the box, the cat's fate is tied to the wave function of the atom, which is itself in a superposition of decayed and undecayed states. Thus, said Schroedinger, the cat must itself be in a superposition of dead and alive states before the observer opens the box, ``observes'' the cat, and ``collapses'' it's wave function.
http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/ardloui...ative/kets.gif
What that means is that before you open the box the cat is both dead and alive due to the nature of the quantum world and that there is a duality in the state of such things of quantum nature.
Do not question it!
your head will splode :oops: :oops:
ugh im tired I cant explain this right...
http://www.emr.hibu.no/lars/eng/cat/Default.htm
This is where EVERYONE at work starteed to harass me taking it too seriously...
"What about the cat? hows it breath?"
"Wont the cat fill up the box with its poop?"
There is no fate but what we make.
As for time travel, if you travel back in time, you are in another timeline it isisnt yours because in your timeline its already happened, and the wave form of all the quantum desicions up to that point have collapsed and you cant uncollapse them.
And you cant pull a superman and spin the earth backwards and reverse time.. you would just have alot of dead people floating in space... YAY superman you SAVED us... uh oh im gettin campy...
I'd have to agree with thermonuclear on this one. Once you've lived your life, everything will have happened in a certain way, and you can't change it. It follows that even though you are making choices along the way, they will be made a certain way (one can only make a choice in a particular way). Therefore, every choice you make, will be made a certain way, and consequently, your life will be lived a certain way hence, fate.
The problem is that you don't know what decisions you will have to make, or how you will make them, so from the vantage point of the present there is no such thing as fate, because we can't see the future. Therefore, looking towards there appears to be no such thing as fate, but looking towards the past there is. What makes fate exist, in my mind, is that eventually our lives will end and everything in our life will be in the past.
So, while I believe in fate, I enjoy the illusion of there being no fate. That way I am in control of every aspect of my life, but will still follow my destiny.
By the way, Thermonuclear, I'm sorry I laid into you so much about your God post. I get touchy when people lay into my beliefs with a half-baked theory, and when they do it so offensively.
I'm gonna say one more thing,
Hehe, serinath, nice terminator quote :wink:
Unfortunately the fate people have alot of ammo on this topic. Why? Because the little one liner, Because it happened, can get around most any preverbial dart thrown at them. I'll say this, Fate doesn't matter. BEcause the past doesn't matter. all that matters is right now. This moment. And you can't say what is supposed to happen because it hasn't happened yet. So, say "Because it happened" all you want. Its not going to affect the fact the I am "meant to go down and get food because i'm hungry. And i'm not going to. Simply put, If the past doesn't matter and we can't tell the future, And the present is subject to change. Then where does fate fit in eh? Only plausable answer is the past. I rest My case
Peace
**claps hands**
nicely said Rtex!
:D
I said 'All that has hapenned' wich means 'Everything in the past'Quote:
Originally posted by Rtex
I'm gonna say one more thing,
Hehe, serinath, nice terminator quote *:wink: *
Unfortunately the fate people have alot of ammo on this topic. Why? Because the little one liner, Because it happened, can get around most any preverbial dart thrown at them. I'll say this, Fate doesn't matter. BEcause the past doesn't matter. all that matters is right now. This moment. And you can't say what is supposed to happen because it hasn't happened yet. So, say \"Because it happened\" all you want. Its not going to affect the fact the I am \"meant to go down and get food because i'm hungry. And i'm not going to. Simply put, If the past doesn't matter and we can't tell the future, And the present is subject to change. Then where does fate fit in eh? Only plausable answer is the past. I rest My case
Peace
Then i said it was 'ment to happen, because it happened'. Now, this true.
I could say 'Everything that happens in the future was ment to happen, because it will happen'.
This statement is also true.
There is no way to prove me rong. If you think there is a way to prove me rong, give it a try :). Because to prove me rong would be to prove the statement 'one and one is two' rong.
This is fun. :)
well, I CAN prove you 'rong' on one thing, and that is...
YOU SPELL WRONG WITH A "W"
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
:roll:
THAT was fun...
LOLOLOLOLOL
I bet it was...
Danke Rtex :D hoped somone would pick it out.
Ok
So0Oooo
Everything has happened because it happened not because it was "supposed" to happen, how do you know what was supposed to happen? If something was supposed to happen that would mean it was Fate... Ie we are all puppets everything was set in motion from the beginning there is no changing it
Aside from being boring...
Why would God create something he knew exactly how it would end whats the fun and point in that? why would he deliberatly send people too their doom too hell and what not
If you do not beleive in spirit and are basing fate on the physical world alone the whole quantum duality thing means that there is equal chance for any outcome in a situation to occur. So no event is more likely to occur than the other Fate would imply a statistical advantage to one of the outcomes.
Now if you beleive in spirit...
We are outside that whole quantum stuff as we are etherial and are not tied to the rules of the physical. We however CAN change the statistical chances of certain events... like which neurons are gona fire in that brain of yours to carry out some task or say somethin etc. Then our spirit does infact control our destiny by creating that statistical advantage.
crap my mind wandered....
oh yah
Everything that happens in the future =>was<= meant to happen because it will happen. This implies the closed time loop theory the furture is the past after it happens but because it already happened there is no liniarity and its a closed loop.Quote:
I could say 'Everything that happens in the future was ment to happen, because it will happen'. *
This statement is also true. *
There is no way to prove me rong. If you think there is a way to prove me rong, give it a try . Because to prove me rong would be to prove the statement 'one and one is two' rong[/b]
MAUAHAHaahhaahah I couldent help it
I know what you mean though
but you could say that till your blue in the face it does not change the fact that the future has not happened and has nothing to do with the past. Untill time travel can be proven or disproven there is no way for us to argue either point.
If in the future it is discovered and we travel to the furture then back and change things then no fate doesnt exist if we travel to the future and back and try to change things and they end up happpening the way the future happened because we went to the furture and tried to change stuff and ended up doing what happened anyway then its fate or your heads will splode from trying to delv too deeply into the realms of timetravel related paradox's
I found a little box in the closet the other day it was cool looking, There was a name inscribed on it "Pandora"... I opened it. :D
I ment to write.Quote:
Everything that happens in the future =>was<= meant to happen because it will happen. This implies the closed time loop theory the furture is the past after it happens but because it already happened there is no liniarity and its a closed loop. *
MAUAHAHaahhaahah I couldent help it *
I know what you mean though *
but you could say that till your blue in the face it does not change the fact that the future has not happened and has nothing to do with the past. Untill time travel can be proven or disproven there is no way for us to argue either point. *
If in the future it is discovered and we travel to the furture then back and change things then no fate doesnt exist if we travel to the future and back and try to change things and they end up happpening the way the future happened because we went to the furture and tried to change stuff and ended up doing what happened anyway then its fate or your heads will splode from trying to delv too deeply into the realms of timetravel related paradox's *
I found a little box in the closet the other day it was cool looking, There was a name inscribed on it \"Pandora\"... I opened it. [/b]
Everything that will happen in the future is ment to happen, because it will happen.
The future has not happened, anyone who disagrees is stupid.
I do not understand this at all... the future is related to the past... but what do you mean what it has 'nothing to do with' it?...Quote:
the future has nothing to do with the past[/b]
What is fate? . . .Quote:
If in the future it is discovered and we travel to the furture then back and change things then no fate doesnt exist [/b]
If you think fate is 'What something is going to do' then fate exists. There will allways be something. That something will allways do something. Thus fate exists.
*puts on safety goggles and watches Paperdoll cautiously*
I said I know what you mean, i was just messing with you I know you meant WIll happen...
I was bringing to light another theory of time that is a closed loop and in that theory yes the furture has happened, I am not that versed in it so will shutup now.
The future has nothing to do with the past.. well it does a little in that it becomes the past... but there is the tricky part.. just because it becomes the past dosent mean it is the past... if that were true then the closed loop theory comes into play again, thats the only way i think Fate would work...
The future is clouded, undecided untill WE decide it.
The past has happend and has happend so because WE decided it
Fate to me means that the future is already predetermined and I have no controll over my destination, that the events of the future are already laid out in some manual and cannot be changed... I thought thats what you were saying?
me = confuzzled
Excuse me, gotta go werk... wheee...
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Fate to me means that the future is already predetermined and I have no controll over my destination, that the events of the future are already laid out in some manual and cannot be changed... I thought thats what you were saying? [/b]
Consider this.
Lets say in the matrix Neo told the oracle "Tell me i am going to take that candy, and i will purposly not take it"... what would happen then?
I know what would happen. but i want to see what you know :)
If fate means "the future is predetermined"... then fate my or may not exist.
But the statement "Everything that will happen in the future is ment to happen because it will happen." is true. Whether or not fate does exist.
ok I gocha now :D
I liked the oracle she was funny
me=confuzzled easily thought you were trying to prove that fate was infact true, while you were actually just making the statement
I do get what your trying to say but when you say "something is ment to happen" That kind of means there is some form of predetermination behind it right? In order for something to be "ment to be" something has to say... this is the way its gona be whether you like it or not.Quote:
But the statement \"Everything that will happen in the future is ment to happen because it will happen.\" is true. Whether or not fate does exist.[/b]
My question is about Destiny though...correct me if im wrong but from what I know destiny is the path that ismost suited to us, a path that our spirit will take us down, it is not predetermined it is guided by our will.
So if two people were destined to meet, their spirits paths would closely resemble the other and they would in fact meet
now if two people were fated to meet it would mean that they were in a locked situation and they had no choice but to meet the other say arranged marriages... I duno im starting to ramble.. its my last day at werk and im startin to feel funky...
I woke up from a long dream around 1pm and i was like
ZING
I couldent fall asleep *mutter* :x :x :x :x :x
there is one thing I just realized...
She knows what would happen but she want to see what Neo knows...Quote:
I know what would happen. but i want to see what you know *[/b]
So the outcome is known to her but the knowledge within Neo is unknown, his spirit is beyond her sight.
hmmmmm
Let me try to explain myself...
A.) Everything that has happened was ment to happen because it happened.
Now. . . when i see the above line to me it is self explanitory. . . so i cannot so how it could possibly be false. Plz tell me how the above statement is false (if it is).
B.)Everything that will happen is ment to happen because it will happen.
If i died 50 years from now it would be ment to happen because it happened. I find this statement self explanitory becayse it follows the first rule 'A'. If somehow i am false in my judgement please tell me.
If i dont die 50 years from now it would be ment to happen because it happened. I find this statement self explanitory because it follows rule 'A'. Again if you see a way im false tell me because i cant see a way =/
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Originally posted by Serinanth
there is one thing I just realized... *
She knows what would happen but she want to see what Neo knows...Quote:
I know what would happen. but i want to see what you know *
So the outcome is known to her but the knowledge within Neo is unknown, his spirit is beyond her sight.
hmmmmm[/b]
I wanted you to tell me what would happen if Neo told the Oracle "Tell me if i am going to take that and i will purposly do the opposite".
I know what would happen. Ohh i'll just tell you.
If neo said "Tell me if i will take that and i will purposly do the opposite".
the oracle would say "Now, you could be either lying or not lying and i know what your doing. Now that i know if your lying or not, i would tell you if your going to take the candy or not. You would prove my statement rong or right. But whether you prove my statement rong or right i still would know if you were going to take the candy or not."
I'm gona have to watch it again I donmt remember... ok this is my last post on this stuff i think we might have gone to far too fast too soon. :D
Ok let my contradicitons freeeeeee
*sigh* I make no sense...
Meant = fated to me.
So what you say is all that has happened in the past was meant to be because it was fated or meant to be so right?
All that happens in the furture happens because it too is fated or meant to happen as well.. this is how I am seeing your logic
I dont think everything that has happened was meant to happen...
I think somethings happen for a reason though
I didnt mean to hurt anyone
I did mean to just type that
You could say everything that has happened in the past happened because it simply happened... I dont think certain things were meant to be though
ok so if you get hit by a bus 50 years form now and it was meant to happen
A what was your geriatric ass doing in the road?
B you got hit by a bus because your were in the right place at the right time.
BUT
if you were not meant to get hit by a bus and you did you were in the wrong place at the right time
OR
If you were meant to get hit by a bus and you didnt
You were in the wrong place at the right time or the right place at the wrong time... somone please help me.... I cant stop...
Do you see what I am trying to get at....
When you say something was meant to happen it implies there was an intelligence or consiousness causing it to be so...
or
Am I totaly misunderstanding you?
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So what you say is all that has happened in the past was meant to be because it was fated or meant to be so right? [/b]
This is the statement i made . . .
All that happens is ment to happen because it has happened.
That was my statement.
Yes. Or, to make it simple...Quote:
All that happens in the furture happens because it too is fated or meant to happen as well.. this is how I am seeing your logic [/b]
All that will happen is ment to happen because it will happen.
If it was not ment to happen. Then it would not have happened.Quote:
I dont think everything that has happened was meant to happen... [/b]
Let me try to break down the sentence... here is two statements i have labled statement A and B. For each statement i break down the sentence.
Statement A1.) All that has happened was ment to happen because it happened.
Statement A2.) All that has happened [subject] + was ment to happen [action the subject partakes in] + because it happened [reason why].
Statement B1.) All that has happened happened because it happened.
Statement B2.) All that has happened [subject] + happened [action the subject partakes in] + because it happened [reason why].
Here is a yes or no question...
Does Statement A1, A2, B1, and B2 each mean the same thing? yes/no
Yes you are. Keep trying. When i think you understand me i will say so :)Quote:
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Am I totaly misunderstanding you?[/b]
I have a way to explain the happen statement.
I think the word "eventually" is helpful. For example...
Even though we can't see which path the universe will follow (and therefore we have a number of possible outcomes), eventually time will progress to completion, and then everything will eventually have followed a particular path. Consequently, there will eventually be a particular array of decisions made that can't be unmade since they will eventually be in the past.
Even considering time travel. Whatever you changed in the past will become the new past, and eventually time will run out for such a civilization and they will then be unable to change anything anymore. Hence a particular path will have been followed, even though we can't tell what it is yet.
In a logic syllogism you can phrase it this way: If the past cannot be changed, and time will eventually end, then our decisions will eventually be unchangeable, therefore we will make a specific array of decisions.
You might say, yes "eventually," but that has no bearing on the present, where we make decisions. That's like saying that just because something hasn't happend yet, it isn't true. For example, the statement "the sun might not rise tomorrow" is true because we don't know for sure that the sun will rise tomorrow, we just have lots of evidence for it. It's the difference between inductive and deductive logic.
Conclusion, fate exists in a passive way that does not affect our control over our lives. It simply occurs using the definitions of words we have in conjuction with logic.
Please challenge me. I apologize if I sound pretensious.
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Even though we can't see which path the universe will follow (and therefore we have a number of possible outcomes), eventually time will progress to completion, and then everything will eventually have followed a particular path. Consequently, there will eventually be a particular array of decisions made that can't be unmade since they will eventually be in the past. [/b]
Yup. Except that even if you consider time travel you cannot change the past. Because when you go back in time, the past you get to is never your past it is another timeline.Quote:
Even considering time travel. Whatever you changed in the past will become the new past, and eventually time will run out for such a civilization and they will then be unable to change anything anymore. Hence a particular path will have been followed, even though we can't tell what it is yet. [/b]
Yup.Quote:
In a logic syllogism you can phrase it this way: If the past cannot be changed, and time will eventually end, then our decisions will eventually be unchangeable, therefore we will make a specific array of decisions. [/b]
The statement 'Because it hasn't happened yet it isn't true' is a statement that is false.Quote:
You might say, yes \"eventually,\" but that has no bearing on the present, where we make decisions. That's like saying that just because something hasn't happend yet, it isn't true. For example, the statement \"the sun might not rise tomorrow\" is true because we don't know for sure that the sun will rise tomorrow, we just have lots of evidence for it. It's the difference between inductive and deductive logic. *[/b]
I have yet to make a false statement.
So im assuming the 'that' your referring too is something you wrote previously?
This part is giving me troudle. Please explain what you mean.
Well. Fate never did have controll over our lives. Our lives have controll over fate.Quote:
Conclusion, fate exists in a passive way that does not affect our control over our lives. [/b]
I have read the above sentence over 15 times. I simply cannot find out what it means.Quote:
It simply occurs using the definitions of words we have in conjuction with logic. [/b]
Do not try and tell me what it means. It will take you too long. Because the truth is the sentence has no meaning, that is why i cant find it.
There may be only one timeline if time is linear. What if it is looped?
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I have yet to make a false statement. *
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I have read the above sentence over 15 times.
did you REALLY read it over FIFTEEN TIMES? did you sit there and COUNT how many time you read it? if not, you just made your first false statment.
...sorry, i need sleep. :lol:
I disagree with you, Seri. I SO disagree with you. I didn't decide anything in my past. I didn't decide to be born. That was thrust upon me by two stupid teenagers frolicking on the bathroom floor.Quote:
Originally posted by Serinanth
The future is clouded, undecided untill WE decide it. *
The past has happend and has happend so because WE decided it
I didn't decide that my birth mother should run out on my father and marry a flaming asshole. I didn't decide to get beat up by said flamer every day. That was gifted to me by an uneducated, desperate woman who couldn't live her miserable life without a man. I had nothing to do with that decision.
I didn't decide to fall in love with who I did. Did my heart bother to ask me what I thought? Noooo. It just went off on it's own merry way. Tralala.
All of these things just happened without my consent. Was it meant to be like this? Hell if I know, but if it was then I think that me and a few folks upstairs need to sit down and have a real serious talk.
We don't always decide our own futures. As much as I hate the idea, fate fucking SUCKS. But then again if you believe that fate is how you decide things should be, then YOU suck because of your decisions. If you don't think the things in the past happened because they were 'meant' to happen, then why did they happen at all? Just because? Why do our paths cross if they aren't meant to? Why do things that 'aren't meant to be' dangle in front of us like a fucking carrot to a horse?
*sighs and puts on her flame-repellent gear*
Have at it, chums... I can hardly wait to get ripped into.
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Originally posted by Aneas
There may be only one timeline if time is linear. *What if it is looped?
If there is only one timeline then it is impossible to go "back in time" because there would be no past to go to.
If there is multiple timelines then it is possible to go "back in time" bacause there would be a past to go to.
Either way you look at it. there is no way to change that past in your timeline, but it is possible to go "back in time" and arrive in another timeline that is in its PRESENT. then change the present of that timeline.
So, when you go back in time. You go to the present of another timeline that isnt as matured as much as your timeline. You can never go to your timelines past, because it exists then is gone forever.
i am baffled by this statment. who do you mean by 'a few folks upstairs'?Quote:
Originally posted by A Lost Soul
All of these things just happened without my consent. Was it meant to be like this? Hell if I know, but if it was then I think that me and a few folks upstairs need to sit down and have a real serious talk. *
i was thinking maybe God and Jesus, but as you have said before you don't believe in that. so by this you mean God and Jesus or your gods/godesses or who ever, are supposed to give you a perfect life? don't get me wrong, i am sorry about your past. but EVERYONE suffers. i've had a pretty tough life myself. i don't BLAME God for it. i'm sorry if i offended, i'm just confused. please elaborate?
> All that happens is ment to happen because it has happened.
"Ment" by whom? Or by what?
Meant implies a will, logic, and control.
If the implication (yes, there are lots of assumptions and implications loaded into the above statement, depending on your personal beliefs) is that we each have control in any absolute sense, then the above is a false statement (and a conceited one at that :roll: ). If what happened happened BECAUSE it has happened, that's simply using circular logic which proves nothing. I will agree that all that happens is meant to happen. But we cannot know what the method to the "madness" is without faith of some degree, since we are not all-knowing.
I agree with A Lost Soul that there are way too many things that we have absolutely no control over. i.e. birth, pain, sickness, etc. I do, however, BELIEVE in the will and the control of a Sovereign God (and thus, in destiny).
"If the Son sets you free, you are free indeed!"
I do beleive alot of life is faith, even if it is'nt dirested by one religion....That's why I never bought darwin's theory completely...I heard someone say once ( maybe it was in this group ) that for darwin's theory to be pausable it is just as plausable for a tornado to twist trough a junkyard and create a 747....Seems to me their has to be some higher intelligence involved.
Neither... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mentQuote:
\"Ment\" by whom? Or by what? *
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There is the definition of ment... maybe you just assume it means something else.
Maybe... but im not using the word 'Meant' . . . im using the word 'Ment'Quote:
Meant implies a will, logic, and control. [/b]
Whether or not we have controll my statement is true. It doesnt really matter.Quote:
If the implication (yes, there are lots of assumptions and implications loaded into the above statement, depending on your personal beliefs) is that we each have control in any absolute sense, then the above is a false statement (and a conceited one at that *). [/b]
It proves that 'it' happened because 'it' happened :DQuote:
If what happened happened BECAUSE it has happened, that's simply using circular logic which proves nothing.[/b]
I did not understand a word what you just said . . . .Quote:
I will agree that all that happens is meant to happen. But we cannot know what the method to the \"madness\" is without faith of some degree, since we are not all-knowing. [/b]
Whether or not we have controll the statement is true. I dont understand how you people come up with these things :roll:Quote:
I agree with A Lost Soul that there are way too many things that we have absolutely no control over. i.e. birth, pain, sickness, etc. I do, however, BELIEVE in the will and the control of a Sovereign God (and thus, in destiny). [/b]
No offense taken at all. To clear that up a bit, I wasn't actually referring to any specific deity or anything like that. It was more a figure of speech, sort of like saying me and my car need to have a long talk if it breaks down one day (and it does... a lot). I'm not exactly blaming anyone or anything for whatever has happened. I'm challenging Seri to explain his own words. It makes no sense to me that everything that happened in my past happened because I decided it.Quote:
Originally posted by Paperdoll EP+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Paperdoll EP)</div>Quote:
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i am baffled by this statment. who do you mean by 'a few folks upstairs'?Quote:
All of these things just happened without my consent. Was it meant to be like this? Hell if I know, but if it was then I think that me and a few folks upstairs need to sit down and have a real serious talk. *
i was thinking maybe God and Jesus, but as you have said before you don't believe in that. so by this you mean God and Jesus or your gods/godesses or who ever, are supposed to give you a perfect life? don't get me wrong, i am sorry about your past. but EVERYONE suffers. i've had a pretty tough life myself. i don't BLAME God for it. i'm sorry if i offended, i'm just confused. please elaborate?[/b]
Oh, and even if the gods or whatever higher power exists offered me a 'perfect life', I doubt I'd take it. That would be too boring. :twisted:
Well at least somone else sees it how I am seeing it. :D evangel
Sorry clarification, there are expanding spheres of influence starting with
What we are directly in control of, what we can influence indirectly and that which is out of our control.
As for what happened to you, Yeah your mom was something out of your control, but your step dad, you could have had that man put away, no one deserves that... did you tell anyone?
As for evolution, they have already created the basic building blocks for living organism in labs, and they found places where this could have happened in nature...Deep sea vents.
Also I think god kicked it off and let it to its own, I dont think you can interpret Genesis litrally, and It makes sense for me... The path of life is that of growth, life as a whole... And for my beleifs, God also has us on a path of growth, so evolution and god work together for me and make perfect sense.
Remember, we are in an infinite universe 8)
We are but one tiny speck in it. That tornado just happened to create a 747 here :D
Thermo... ment is a suffix....the word you meant to use is "meant"
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All of you are all figments of my imagination...
The average population of the universe is so close to 0 you might as well call it that...
Infinite area with an finite number of planets, not all stars have planets, not all planets have life, so there is a finite population.
Anyone ever tired dividing a finite number by infinity?
:mrgreen:
Douglas Adams rocks.
So it would be my fault, as a three-year old girl, if I hadn't told anyone. Nice. But yes, I did in fact tell someone. All she said was "don't talk about things like that" and told me I was a "bad girl" for bringing it up. I kept quiet; it kept going on. Yeah, I can see how that was all brought on by my decisions back then. You're absolutely right. And because you and I are opposing signs and equally stubborn, I'm not going to debate this any moe. You're right; I'm wrong. Case closed. We won't really know the answers until we're dead anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by Serinanth
As for what happened to you, Yeah your mom was something out of your control, but your step dad, you could have had that man put away, no one deserves that... did you tell anyone?
Edit: Woah... I think my period's about to start or something. Just realized, am I cranky today or what? =P
:shock: thanks for sharing :lol:
no really, I had an evil step-dad too... :(
I truly and sincerely wish you the best with that. You know, sometimes I think that stepfathers go to 'evil bastard' school before they marry our moms or something. :roll:
:shock: true...true
i just hope everyone at home is fine... :shock: i hope he hasn't released his step-dad evil terrorness on my family...nah, i think he just hates me! :P
actually i'm pretty sure everythings better. there is über-less fighting going on at home i'm told. much more calmness. good.
Man, Thats tough, Sorry about that. I'm glad to hear that he is uber-less evil now tho,
Cheers
Wholy crap :shock:
I wasnt gona argue yeesh
I just asked and I wasnt puting the blame on youhow was I supposed to know you were only three.
Sorry I will go hide now, there seems to be an abundance of women with rusty knifes around today.
Paperdoll is the one with the rusty knife. I've got a dart and I'm not afraid to throw it!!
hit Rtex and your as good as dead. :evil:
**quickly turns around**
DART!?!?! Crap who said that! NOT AGAIN!!!!!!
**Hides in a corner covering his neck**
Hehe. Nope. I was aiming for Seri. :twisted:
Whew! **wipessweat from forehead** Thought you were gonna throw it at me or something, I've had bad experiences with darts ya know.
Think I'll wear a neck protector while i'm in here just in case tho.
I mean that it takes language to define a concept, and logic prove it. Therefore fate occurs as a result of language in conjuction with logic.Quote:
Originally posted by Thermonuclear
I have read the above sentence over 15 times. I simply cannot find out what it means. [/b]Quote:
It simply occurs using the definitions of words we have in conjuction with logic.
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Do not try and tell me what it means. It will take you too long. Because the truth is the sentence has no meaning, that is why i cant find it.[/b]
You know all, I have learned in this post, more than any other post about lucid dreaming! (Sarcasm), but it sure was fun reading this all! :lol: