Thread: All that happens was ment to happen, because it happened.

Anyone disagree?

Yep

Originally posted by Rtex
Yep

Care to explain

Right, Thought you were gonna ask that.
Your point is very strong. I mean looking backwards its very easy to believe in fate or destiny, but everything is subject to change. Hmmmmm, How to describe my attitude towards this. Well, I guess my view is influenced by my spiritual beliefs a bit. but lets see if an analigy will help,
Ok so lets say 2 years from now Right? but lets say my fried ryan offered for me to go to europe with him, my other option is to goto new zealand.
I chose to go to new zealand and go rock climbing.
so I'm rock climbing in new zealand(hehe, I wish) and I come across a girl and she fell and broke her leg. If i didn't come along she would have died. But I save her and we fall in love and get married. But, what about if i'd have gone to france. then girl would've died I wouldn't have married her and life would be COMPLETLY different. So, if there is fate. which one was "supposed" to happen.

Hope that is clear.

Originally posted by Rtex
Right, Thought you were gonna ask that. *
Your point is very strong. I mean looking backwards its very easy to believe in fate or destiny, but everything is subject to change. Hmmmmm, How to describe my attitude towards this. Well, I guess my view is influenced by my spiritual beliefs a bit. but lets see if an analigy will help,
Ok so lets say 2 years from now Right? but lets say my fried ryan offered for me to go to europe with him, my other option is to goto new zealand.
I chose to go to new zealand and go rock climbing. *
so I'm rock climbing in new zealand(hehe, I wish) and I come across a girl and she fell and broke her leg. If i didn't come along she would have died. But I save her and we fall in love and get married. But, what about if i'd have gone to france. then girl would've died I wouldn't have married her and life would be COMPLETLY different. So, if there is fate. which one was \"supposed\" to happen.

Hope that is clear.

The one that was "supposed" to happen would be the one that happens, because it happened.

8)

**Raises right eyebrow at Thermonuclear**
IMHO(In My Humble Opinion) Your going in a loop and not answer the question straight out. but if thats the way you want it.
One thing, it hasn't happened yet. so you can't say which one is supposed to happen. Another thing, what if something happens then I go back int time and change what happened. Which one was meant to happen?

Originally posted by Rtex
**Raises right eyebrow at Thermonuclear**
IMHO(In My Humble Opinion) Your going in a loop and not answer the question straight out. but if thats the way you want it.
One thing, it hasn't happened yet. so you can't say which one is supposed to happen. Another thing, what if something happens then I go back int time and change what happened. Which one was meant to happen?

If you go back in time and change what happened, then what you changed would be whatever the new thing is. And that new thing would be what was ment to happen, because it happened.

Hmmm I can see that i'm not gaining any ground here. But let me rephrase both views as I see them, if not for ya'll then for me.

View one, Fate, Everything that happens is supposed to happen and we can't do anything about.

View two, Whatever happens is up to us, There is not things that are "meant" to happen. just the things that have happened and the might happen.

Originally posted by Rtex
Hmmm I can see that i'm not gaining any ground here. But let me rephrase both views as I see them, if not for ya'll then for me.

View one, Fate, Everything that happens is supposed to happen and we can't do anything about.

View two, Whatever happens is up to us, There is not things that are \"meant\" to happen. just the things that have happened and the might happen.

There is an infinite amount of possibilitys to every cause. But only one is ment to happen, the one that happens is ment to happen.

Now if you were looking into the future and said something was ment to happen it would just be a guess.

But if you look in the past and say something in the past was ment to happen well of course it was. If time were to rewind and go back to a second before the instance it would still turn out the same way. It was ment to happen because it happened.

But yes, everything does start with choice. But, your choice starts with something that has happened. Cause and Effect i guess, but its not really cause and effect... in a way...

**Raises right eyebrow at Thermonuclear** [/b]

Quantum Physics anyone?

I can't descuss this anymore, My head hurts. :x

It would sadden some people to learn that going 'back in time' is impossible.


Why is it impossible? because there is only one timeline. You could try to go 'back in time' but the place you tried to go to wouldnt exist.

This is a endless Paradox.

Originally posted by DreamCoil
This is a endless Paradox.

No it is not a endless paradox.

If something happens it was ment to happen because it happened.

It is not a paradox it is just a fact.

Almost every paradox is a story in which impossible events take place and impossible outcomes emerge.

And if it doesnt involve inpossible events then it isnt a paradox

who's to say something is meant to be wether it happens or not
webster's definition is
to have in the mind as a purpose
to serve or intend to convey, show, or indicate
to have importance to the degree of
to direct to a particular individual
these all refer to human thought and action, not an abstract event, so for anything to MEAN anything a person must be involved

Somone say quantum physics?!



Schroedinger's Cat

This is a paradox that contains no impossible events



A cat is placed in a box, together with a radioactive atom. If the atom decays, and the geiger-counter detects an alpha particle, the hammer hits a flask of prussic acid (HCN), killing the cat. The paradox lies in the clever coupling of quantum and classical domains. Before the observer opens the box, the cat's fate is tied to the wave function of the atom, which is itself in a superposition of decayed and undecayed states. Thus, said Schroedinger, the cat must itself be in a superposition of dead and alive states before the observer opens the box, ``observes'' the cat, and ``collapses'' it's wave function.



What that means is that before you open the box the cat is both dead and alive due to the nature of the quantum world and that there is a duality in the state of such things of quantum nature.

Do not question it!

your head will splode

ugh im tired I cant explain this right...

http://www.emr.hibu.no/lars/eng/cat/Default.htm

This is where EVERYONE at work starteed to harass me taking it too seriously...

"What about the cat? hows it breath?"
"Wont the cat fill up the box with its poop?"

There is no fate but what we make.

As for time travel, if you travel back in time, you are in another timeline it isisnt yours because in your timeline its already happened, and the wave form of all the quantum desicions up to that point have collapsed and you cant uncollapse them.

And you cant pull a superman and spin the earth backwards and reverse time.. you would just have alot of dead people floating in space... YAY superman you SAVED us... uh oh im gettin campy...

I'd have to agree with thermonuclear on this one. Once you've lived your life, everything will have happened in a certain way, and you can't change it. It follows that even though you are making choices along the way, they will be made a certain way (one can only make a choice in a particular way). Therefore, every choice you make, will be made a certain way, and consequently, your life will be lived a certain way hence, fate.

The problem is that you don't know what decisions you will have to make, or how you will make them, so from the vantage point of the present there is no such thing as fate, because we can't see the future. Therefore, looking towards there appears to be no such thing as fate, but looking towards the past there is. What makes fate exist, in my mind, is that eventually our lives will end and everything in our life will be in the past.

So, while I believe in fate, I enjoy the illusion of there being no fate. That way I am in control of every aspect of my life, but will still follow my destiny.

By the way, Thermonuclear, I'm sorry I laid into you so much about your God post. I get touchy when people lay into my beliefs with a half-baked theory, and when they do it so offensively.

I'm gonna say one more thing,

Hehe, serinath, nice terminator quote
Unfortunately the fate people have alot of ammo on this topic. Why? Because the little one liner, Because it happened, can get around most any preverbial dart thrown at them. I'll say this, Fate doesn't matter. BEcause the past doesn't matter. all that matters is right now. This moment. And you can't say what is supposed to happen because it hasn't happened yet. So, say "Because it happened" all you want. Its not going to affect the fact the I am "meant to go down and get food because i'm hungry. And i'm not going to. Simply put, If the past doesn't matter and we can't tell the future, And the present is subject to change. Then where does fate fit in eh? Only plausable answer is the past. I rest My case

Peace

**claps hands**

nicely said Rtex!

Originally posted by Rtex
I'm gonna say one more thing,

Hehe, serinath, nice terminator quote * *
Unfortunately the fate people have alot of ammo on this topic. Why? Because the little one liner, Because it happened, can get around most any preverbial dart thrown at them. I'll say this, Fate doesn't matter. BEcause the past doesn't matter. all that matters is right now. This moment. And you can't say what is supposed to happen because it hasn't happened yet. So, say \"Because it happened\" all you want. Its not going to affect the fact the I am \"meant to go down and get food because i'm hungry. And i'm not going to. Simply put, If the past doesn't matter and we can't tell the future, And the present is subject to change. Then where does fate fit in eh? Only plausable answer is the past. I rest My case

Peace

I said 'All that has hapenned' wich means 'Everything in the past'

Then i said it was 'ment to happen, because it happened'. Now, this true.

I could say 'Everything that happens in the future was ment to happen, because it will happen'.

This statement is also true.

There is no way to prove me rong. If you think there is a way to prove me rong, give it a try . Because to prove me rong would be to prove the statement 'one and one is two' rong.

This is fun.

well, I CAN prove you 'rong' on one thing, and that is...


YOU SPELL WRONG WITH A "W"

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

THAT was fun...

LOLOLOLOLOL

I bet it was...

Danke Rtex hoped somone would pick it out.

Ok

So0Oooo

Everything has happened because it happened not because it was "supposed" to happen, how do you know what was supposed to happen? If something was supposed to happen that would mean it was Fate... Ie we are all puppets everything was set in motion from the beginning there is no changing it

Aside from being boring...

Why would God create something he knew exactly how it would end whats the fun and point in that? why would he deliberatly send people too their doom too hell and what not

If you do not beleive in spirit and are basing fate on the physical world alone the whole quantum duality thing means that there is equal chance for any outcome in a situation to occur. So no event is more likely to occur than the other Fate would imply a statistical advantage to one of the outcomes.

Now if you beleive in spirit...

We are outside that whole quantum stuff as we are etherial and are not tied to the rules of the physical. We however CAN change the statistical chances of certain events... like which neurons are gona fire in that brain of yours to carry out some task or say somethin etc. Then our spirit does infact control our destiny by creating that statistical advantage.

crap my mind wandered....


oh yah

I could say 'Everything that happens in the future was ment to happen, because it will happen'. *

This statement is also true. *

There is no way to prove me rong. If you think there is a way to prove me rong, give it a try . Because to prove me rong would be to prove the statement 'one and one is two' rong[/b]

Everything that happens in the future =>was<= meant to happen because it will happen. This implies the closed time loop theory the furture is the past after it happens but because it already happened there is no liniarity and its a closed loop.

MAUAHAHaahhaahah I couldent help it

I know what you mean though

but you could say that till your blue in the face it does not change the fact that the future has not happened and has nothing to do with the past. Untill time travel can be proven or disproven there is no way for us to argue either point.

If in the future it is discovered and we travel to the furture then back and change things then no fate doesnt exist if we travel to the future and back and try to change things and they end up happpening the way the future happened because we went to the furture and tried to change stuff and ended up doing what happened anyway then its fate or your heads will splode from trying to delv too deeply into the realms of timetravel related paradox's

I found a little box in the closet the other day it was cool looking, There was a name inscribed on it "Pandora"... I opened it.

Everything that happens in the future =>was<= meant to happen because it will happen. This implies the closed time loop theory the furture is the past after it happens but because it already happened there is no liniarity and its a closed loop. *

MAUAHAHaahhaahah I couldent help it *

I know what you mean though *

but you could say that till your blue in the face it does not change the fact that the future has not happened and has nothing to do with the past. Untill time travel can be proven or disproven there is no way for us to argue either point. *

If in the future it is discovered and we travel to the furture then back and change things then no fate doesnt exist if we travel to the future and back and try to change things and they end up happpening the way the future happened because we went to the furture and tried to change stuff and ended up doing what happened anyway then its fate or your heads will splode from trying to delv too deeply into the realms of timetravel related paradox's *

I found a little box in the closet the other day it was cool looking, There was a name inscribed on it \"Pandora\"... I opened it. [/b]

I ment to write.

Everything that will happen in the future is ment to happen, because it will happen.

The future has not happened, anyone who disagrees is stupid.

the future has nothing to do with the past[/b]

I do not understand this at all... the future is related to the past... but what do you mean what it has 'nothing to do with' it?...

If in the future it is discovered and we travel to the furture then back and change things then no fate doesnt exist [/b]

What is fate? . . .

If you think fate is 'What something is going to do' then fate exists. There will allways be something. That something will allways do something. Thus fate exists.

*puts on safety goggles and watches Paperdoll cautiously*


I said I know what you mean, i was just messing with you I know you meant WIll happen...

I was bringing to light another theory of time that is a closed loop and in that theory yes the furture has happened, I am not that versed in it so will shutup now.

The future has nothing to do with the past.. well it does a little in that it becomes the past... but there is the tricky part.. just because it becomes the past dosent mean it is the past... if that were true then the closed loop theory comes into play again, thats the only way i think Fate would work...

The future is clouded, undecided untill WE decide it.
The past has happend and has happend so because WE decided it

Fate to me means that the future is already predetermined and I have no controll over my destination, that the events of the future are already laid out in some manual and cannot be changed... I thought thats what you were saying?

me = confuzzled

Excuse me, gotta go werk... wheee...