Dreams...are we somewhere else than lying in our beds!?

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Originally Posted by Oneiro

This is an interesting thread. I haven't been here that long, but it seems to me that there are two basic distinct schools of thought amongst the posters here, namely those who think that LD is all in the head, and those that aren't so sure.
So... how does a lucid dream like this one fit in?

The one where I lucid dreamt the result of a major horse race which came true several years later..

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I've no clue how that would have happened, fate? Luck? Maybe the kind help of God or an angel (not sure why they'd give you a dream like that, but you never know!). Dreams like that are interesting though. Each time I hear about something like that I wonder even more about whether dreams really are just in our heads. Part of my mind doubts that we are, whilst part of my mind believes it's all in my head. Among the two distinct schools of thought, i'd say i'm in the middle, lol.

I had a dream a few days ago of it being really hot (I was at school, really feeling the heat of a summers day). In Australia right now it is Winter and has been cold for quite some time (rainy, that horrible kind of weather). But after that dream, the last few days have been quite warm and sunny. That kinda interested me, strange how things work? Maybe my body just noticed a slight change in temperature which was leading up to the sunny day? Or maybe a world somewhere else was preparing me for the slightly warmer weather?

My two cents: personally I'm 99% sure that dreams, both lucid and not, happen in your head, even if you prefer to call them out-of-body experiences. However I don't think that this should be taken as an offense to some people - I don't think that this cheapens the experience in itself, if anything it's an amazing demonstration of the power of the human brain. Personally, I can't imagine consciousness leaving the brain in any way-

Its true that the mind can't think of what an unconscious mind is due to the fact that we're conscious and always will be so thats why its hard to think about death and who we're just nothing afterwards.
I still think that dreams are tide to not being in our bodys sometimes and in our bodys another time. It could be we experince some out and in our mind.

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Originally Posted by STsung

Maybe one day science will find out that there are spirits living in our world and we just don't see them.
I personnaly think that one self can actually leave its physical body and go wandering about. But I think that it is pretty difficult to achieve "consciously".
I never had a dream where I left my physical body and went wandering like a spirit around the world.
But tell me why a person would want to leave his own body and watch it? To leave it there laying on the ground/bed helpless? [/b]

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You see I don't see OBE's and APs as Actually happening: Just as EXPERIENCING these things happening. But that doesn't mean the ''Astral plane'' doesn't exist and experiences with it are any less real than ''reality'' What is Reality anyways?...(we just bumped into another Paradox :wink: ) It's more like an abstract place that, in a way, really IS there. But only individually and as an Experience, not some collective spiritworld to which we all go in our dreams.

So all these weird phenomena are just Products of our own minds. Don't get me wrong though by thinking I am a sceptic and close-minded to such ideas. In fact I have experienced such things many times. I'm just not sure what it was. Of course I love speculating and philosophising about it , but really I would have no REAL idea wether that is the truth of what really happened.
My OBE-related experiences:
*I have defenitely felt as though my ''astral body'' had shifted slightly above and behind my physical body During Psilocybin Mushroom trips. My mind ''Being'' at wherever I focussed my attention on during these trips...

*I have experienced the ''terrifying kind'''of Sleep Paralysis where I wanted to wake up and couldn't move a muscle and felt as though I couldn't breathe. Often when Experiencing this I could actually see my own face, seen from above, on my pillow, lying paralysed while helplessly trying to awake, sit up and gasp for air.

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Originally Posted by STsung

Sleepwalking, talking in dreams. that's easy to understand. But the concept of mind is difficult to grasp. What is our mind?
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The Mind is an abstract thing. The Brains seem to be the Bridge-Organ between The Physical/Concrete and the Mental/Abstract. God knows how it is possible for an organ flashing electric pulses and releasing psychoactive substances can ''generate'' such a Profoundly intricate, inconceivable thing as ''The Mind''
The Mind is a great Mystery of which some parts have been uncovered and figured out by scientists and Self Exploring Lucid Dreamers yet it remains a grand paradox. Which is what makes it so wonderfull.

So Dreams, OBEs, APs, FAs and such phenomena are in my eyes Experiences. Nothing more than Experiences. But it doesn't make the ''Dreamworld'' or Spiritworld'' any less real to me. I still visit it every night :wink: