I prefer to use mental power to induce my Lucids. I don't even like using B6.
I'm sure there is more information about supplements around here somewhere though.
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I prefer to use mental power to induce my Lucids. I don't even like using B6.
I'm sure there is more information about supplements around here somewhere though.
You do know that your mind works on chemicals right? what are you going to do, suck all the chemicals out of your brain (well your brain/body is just one big mess of chemicals :boogie: ) so your doing it the "natural" way :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Caradon
Wherever and whoever this Thomas guy is...one thing for sure is that he didn't leave a trail of bread crumbs.
Hi,
The mans name is Thomas Yuschak and the name of his book is "Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The power of supplements". It's available at Amazon.com. Fascinating book in my opinion.
Yes, I've read it and ordered the supplements last night. I was just hoping there was some way I could get in contact with him and know what he's up to and why the sudden "withdrawal" from the LD boards. Anyway there's not much need for me to contact him personally anymore since I spoke with the Forewood writer in his book Scott Stride and he helped me out in the areas I had questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Mark
I too just ordered the supplements. I hope they arrive by next weekend so I can experiment when I have time to sleep. Jeff, please post the results of your first attempt at using (I'm assuming) Galantamine/Choline as I'll be right behind you and would appreciate another interpretation of what to expect. Thanks!!
Sure thing! I'll post the detailed log with my information inserted into it that he added in the back of the book. I ordered all the supplements save for yohimbine. So far, my GPC, Mucuna Pruriens, and 5HTP have come. I think I might go out to the store and buy some B5 just to make sure I have enough achetyl in my body before I begin. And post yours as well, this should be one wild series of trips. :boogie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Mark
What ever you want to call it, I use my thoughts to get Lucid. I don't believe that my thoughts are created by chemicals. I don't know about you, but I'm capable of choosing what I think about.
And by the use of thought alone, I've been Lucid six nights out of the last nine. And the three nights I didn't, there were very good opportunities that I messed up.
I'm glad that you are able to lucid at will as you do. Not everyone is so gifted. While it might seem like second nature to you, there are those (like me) who find it difficult. The argument against using supplements is like saying you'd rather use a shovel to dig your pool rather than a backhoe just because you can. If the supplement is safe, natural, not psycho active and non addictive, what's the problem?
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with other people doing it that way at all.
I was just saying, I prefer to do it on my own. And it's not so easy for me either. I work damn hard for every Lucid I get. In fact, I got a little lazy about it this spring, and it caused the entire summer to be a slow spell for me. I'm just now getting them going again.
I'm willing to bet though, In the long run doing it my way, consistently, will result in way more Lucids, than relying on the supplements to get there.
I think you're probably right, Caradon. It's not that I'm looking for the softer, easier way. I spent too many years of my life doing that and now well into middle age I understand the shortcuts didn't work. Ive been attempting to lucid for awhile, starting and stopping on what is now 3 different occasions. Did I quit too soon? Did I not focus enough? Was my will not firmly enough established? I don't know. My belief (and maybe it's naive) is that if I can trigger LD's using supplements, maybe I'll "break the seal" so to speak and have more success doing it without them. Time will tell.
Yeah, it's possible that all those things could be a contributing factor. It can be difficult, and frustrating, to get the first ones going. Never give up, persistance and patience are key factors.
Your right though, Maybe the supplements will give you some really cool Lucids, giving you the determination you need to induce more.
Good Luck with it. :)
hey Thomas, I just bought your book of lulu.com, and the first thing I saw when I started to read it was your warning that people under 18 shouldnt try this. I'm 16, do you really think being two years under 18 is unsafe?
Odds are you won't be getting a reply from Thomas, I'm sorry. :( But to answer your question...I would think that the author would feel morally/ethically wrong SHOULD something go wrong and you're underage (Not to mention if he didn't include the warning, legal repercussions would undoubtedly ensue). Say a 13 year old read his book but in his excitement and ignorance regarding supplements, naively popped 25 MG of Galantamine. If his body reacted in a weird way and he needed to be rushed to the hospital...his parents would find out and they would try to sue Thomas. So, to keep himself safe he added the warning. People 18 years and older are generally accepted to be of sound mind and of an adult age where they fully understand what they are getting into before doing something. I think the 18+ warning was very appropriate and I probably wouldn't suggest you doing it at such a young age either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaKo
thanks for the reply. unfortunately id go crazy if i waited two more years to try this, so im gonna try to order the supplements and do it anyway :P plus, my doctor said im done growing so it shouldn't be that risky.
btw, if any of you guys wanna buy the book, go to lulu.com and get the downloadable one, its only 5$ and you can read it instantly :)
I have read the book and I'm with Jeff. You should hold off at least until you have had this specific conversation with your doctor.
As a scientist and veteran lucid dreamer who was part of LaBerge's original group that developed the Nova Dreamer, the conclusion I reached many years ago is that lucid dreaming is entirely dependent on the concentration of acetylcholine in the sleeping brain. (Acetylcholine is the neurotransmitter responsible for consciousness).
Unless enough acetylcholine is present, techniques such as MILD, FILD, HILD, WILD usually lead to frustration and disappointment -- which is why lucid dreaming is difficult for most people. It seems that "natural lucid dreamers" have a different metabolism than most people, with higher acetylcholine levels in their brains during sleep. That is why they should stop lecturing the rest of us about how "easy" it is. The bottom line is that even a Rolls Royce won't go anywhere if there isn't enough gas in the tank.
About 10 years ago I carried out a series of experiments similar to those described by Thomas Yuschak and achieved some success, although my work was not as advanced as his. I was regularly able to induce vivid dreams and increase the frequency of lucid dreams although I was never able to induce lucid dreams on demand.
Yuschak's book is important and should be read by anyone seriously interested in the subject.
How come you think acetylcholine is responsible for consciousness?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenVortex
Neuroscience. Read the book. You will learn a lot.
Do you know any methods to naturally increase Acetylcholine?
pills dont help.
WOW! An "expert"! Such gravitas..Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenVortex
Oh good grief..Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenVortex
Where the hell on this God-forsaken site is anyone who really knows about LDing?
I'm still looking..
Bring on the flames..
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Originally Posted by Oneiro
I think your getting a little worked up :roll:
This thread should just be locked. It is becoming an endless ranting, bickering chaos.
True, please keep discussion on this thread in line with the original topic of the OP, which is the book and the supplements mentioned and their legitimacy as lucid dream aids. Other discussion can be moved elsewhere.
If this thread continues to go off on these tangents such that replies are no longer about the site or the man's book (which you can obtain with all the information already available in the thread) and suggested supplements, I'll lock the thread. Please try to keep your discussion relevant to the OP's post.
In the meantime, if you are interested in lucid dream aids (independent from discussion relevant to this thread) or the ethics or the pros/cons to taking them, make a post in the dream aids section and discuss there. If you are interested in discussing what these things are and how they play a role in dreaming, make a post in the sleep and health forums. Obviously, inform yourself first as to what these things are that you are planning on ingesting and any side effects that they can have on your body from legitimate sources.