The levels of lucidity.

From my experience, there are only a few practical states that I can discern in dreaming.

non-lucid. I don't realize I am dreaming.
semi-lucid. I realize I am dreaming, but I remain distracted and do not take advantage of the situation, or fall into an automatic behavior without deliberation (yaaaaayyyy! I can fly! :bslap:). Basically, no self-control.
lucid. I know I am dreaming, and I have some modicum of self-control. I don't wake up, and I don't lose lucidity.

Then, there is the matter of self-control, which I usually rate based on how long I can keep myself in the lucid state.

I think percentages are meaningless, really, to the average lucid dreamer. It boils down to how long you can keep up a true lucid state, and what you manage to do in the dream.

Bump for great justice.

Good list arby I had a similiar Ladder of levels of lucidity although I think mine contained about 6 or something yet it was pretty much the same as yours I just clumped together things that were pretty much the same although you went into a lot of detail very good I am sure this will help a lot of people out.

great list :) I'm more around the 93% range most of the time. :teeth: I dont think ive ever had 20% before.

Wow. You guys have way too much time on your hands. I thought the list was interesting, and made some good points. It made me think about dreams that I've experienced, and how much understanding/control I've had in them. But I guess my self-tought techniques are a bit crude, but effective. I find all the back and forth banter interesting, but distracting from the whole point. This stuff isn't about numbers, definitions, and classifications. That stuff is for the waking world. Sleepy-time should be about personal discovery and adventure, or just having a blast. Anyway, that's my reaction to all this. Carry on the discussion.

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Wow. You guys have way too much time on your hands. I thought the list was interesting, and made some good points. It made me think about dreams that I've experienced, and how much understanding/control I've had in them. But I guess my self-tought techniques are a bit crude, but effective. I find all the back and forth banter interesting, but distracting from the whole point. This stuff isn't about numbers, definitions, and classifications. That stuff is for the waking world. Sleepy-time should be about personal discovery and adventure, or just having a blast. Anyway, that's my reaction to all this. Carry on the discussion.

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If we didn't have numbers and definitions than we would have nothing to go off of.

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Sleepy-time should be about personal discovery and adventure, or just having a blast.

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I couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, lots of people need something laid out before them first. I just wanted to set things on a easy-to-understand scale so people can understand whats going on.

That, and its makes classifying/understanding/sharing your dreams so much easier if you can see where it falls. You use this in the morning, after you've had the dream to figure out what the hell just happened.

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It made me think about dreams that I've experienced, and how much understanding/control I've had in them.

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Now keep that in mind...

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I find all the back and forth banter interesting, but distracting from the whole point. This stuff isn't about numbers, definitions, and classifications. That stuff is for the waking world.

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Interesting, you are awake now yet you are talking and thinking about dreams. Huh, sounds like it's about more than "sleep-time", doesn't it? If you bring dreams into the waking world and discuss dreams (which is what this forum is all about) then how is it so crazy to have some sort of standard by which it's possible to compare the relative level of lucidity?

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Interesting, you are awake now yet you are talking and thinking about dreams. Huh, sounds like it's about more than "sleep-time", doesn't it? If you bring dreams into the waking world and discuss dreams (which is what this forum is all about) then how is it so crazy to have some sort of standard by which it's possible to compare the relative level of lucidity?

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Hehe.. what he said..

(damn my inability to express it properly)

Update!

Long overdue but now I'm finally really happy with this thread. I'm gonna go and see if I can get this through as a tut now too.

- added the jot notes to improve the organization and flow
- re-wrote the sections that made 0 sense to even me when I re-read them

for me its usually all or nothing...thats just how my mind works

i like this thread.. :)
it makes some kind of clear, to look how far i had gone.. or i could...
it also can add a wish to continue...

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for me its usually all or nothing...thats just how my mind works

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try reading Billy's control tut and use passive control. The more you use passive control, the more likely you are to have something in between.

How informative.

this rating system puts me at about 94%, I can have fairly frequent lucid dreams I just have to work on my control for now... flyings no problem but causes me to lose control, I can stay lucid but my actions are more or less up to what my mind whats to do, not what I want to do...

wow i have ld 110% ! Good!

and 120% ? :)

The highest levels of lucidity are the most overwhelming and profound human experiences I know of!

For me, periods of intense emotion stress or distress seem to be the main trigger,... or at least it increases the frequency of these types of lucid dreams. As I get older (50 now) the frequency is also increasing. I'm currently having about 30 per year.

They raise a lot of questions while they occur and afterwards,... What am I? Where am I? What is the substance and nature of this "reality"? What's holding it all together? What should I do with it? What does it mean?

I have low level lucid dreams most every night now, which I don't really give as much thought to.

Since for "Who I Am", periods of intense emotional stress seem to be the main trigger for high level lucid dreams, there is a very high price to pay for those experiences,... divorce, raising troubled teens and young adults, physical aging, death of loved ones, marital stress, etc.. There seems to be a trade off.

Who in their right mind would seek out intense emotional stress for the experience of high level lucid dreams? Not me!

I've often wondered if the high level lucid dreams and dreams in general aren't some kind of natural defense or healing mechanisms. They have helped me get through rough times, by giving me another perspective on life and questioning what is real and unreal,... what is temporal and what is eternal.

It's not a game for children, for amusement... or to be taken lightly.

hey can someone tell me what level this was? i was in a store and while i was running down the hall i became lucid and my goal this time was to streak naked through public (lol) so while i was undressing i notice this very attractive girl to my left so i decided to wait on streaking and screw her instead so im almost there when i get this feeling like im gonna piss my pants and it just gets stronger and stronger until i lose the dream. ----this has been "pissing me off" for awhile and it keeps happening, i try to stay away from the girls in my dream becuase of this and its really annoying.

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Since for "Who I Am", periods of intense emotional stress seem to be the main trigger for high level lucid dreams, there is a very high price to pay for those experiences,... divorce, raising troubled teens and young adults, physical aging, death of loved ones, marital stress, etc.. There seems to be a trade off.

Who in their right mind would seek out intense emotional stress for the experience of high level lucid dreams? Not me!

I've often wondered if the high level lucid dreams and dreams in general aren't some kind of natural defense or healing mechanisms. They have helped me get through rough times, by giving me another perspective on life and questioning what is real and unreal,... what is temporal and what is eternal.

It's not a game for children, for amusement... or to be taken lightly.

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It can be, is succedeed also to me. But also in the happiness moments. If the dream is in the just phase, it is transformed in a 110%. I just do not succeed to speak English! *****!!

In the last one I have transformed the colors of the sky and of the objects, smaterializion and I materialized, trapassed i walls, etc. so happy.
That same day I had worked 11 hours and was saturday...so stress and stanco

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hey can someone tell me what level this was? i was in a store and while i was running down the hall i became lucid and my goal this time was to streak naked through public (lol) so while i was undressing i notice this very attractive girl to my left so i decided to wait on streaking and screw her instead so im almost there when i get this feeling like im gonna piss my pants and it just gets stronger and stronger until i lose the dream. ----this has been "pissing me off" for awhile and it keeps happening, i try to stay away from the girls in my dream becuase of this and its really annoying.

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I think of those kind as “mid level”. Here’s a few things you can try next time something like that starts to happen:

Look at your and hands see if they are clean or dirty. At the same time you are doing that, repeat to yourself several times, “I’m dreaming”. If your hands are dirty find the nearest restroom and wash your hands. If your cloths are soiled or if you have soiled yourself in any other way, take a shower and put on some clean clothes. If you don’t wake up, it should help put you in a higher level.

Good job on describing some of the "levels" of lucidity.

For me there is, at least, one more major factor. And that is the amount of memory and intention that I retain from this waking reality. I am 60 years old and have been doing this since I was quite young. Sometimes I am totally lucid but have the memories of someone else or just have partial memories of this waking self. I totally control the dream and know that I am dreaming.
The memories are as real as these memories here. It can be confusing as I start to wake up.

Just a picture that resulted form another topic that shows the levels on a visual basis =O

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9...realityyt1.gif

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Good job on describing some of the "levels" of lucidity.

For me there is, at least, one more major factor. And that is the amount of memory and intention that I retain from this waking reality. I am 60 years old and have been doing this since I was quite young. Sometimes I am totally lucid but have the memories of someone else or just have partial memories of this waking self. I totally control the dream and know that I am dreaming.
The memories are as real as these memories here. It can be confusing as I start to wake up.

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Hi,
Good to see a 60 year old here! I've gotten the feeling that I was one of the older guys, and I'm only 51... just turned it last month. I have also been doing this since I was just a kid. I'm still trying to learn how to talk the "lingo" though. It's all been a natural thing for me. I agree about the memory. Even just with recalling normal dreams, there is a memory aspect to all of them, that is different sometimes, similar or even the same as waking life.

Sometimes it's like a whole different life or dimension of myself with a whole different memory, yet my identity, essence and intent stay intact..

This is such a useful thread, I think it needs a little bump!

*bump*