The usual Christian answer is, yes... if you are lucid.
According to the Christians I have spoken with, they believe that by imagining or wanting to do something, you have already done it, in a way.
...I know.. It's retarded.
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The usual Christian answer is, yes... if you are lucid.
According to the Christians I have spoken with, they believe that by imagining or wanting to do something, you have already done it, in a way.
...I know.. It's retarded.
No offense to anyone, (you can take offense if you want I guess, but I'd be less trouble if you didn't) but I think that's absolutely ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by sloth
Well, I agree. LOL
Ultimately, the choices and understandings are all personal.
Churches are social institutions meant to regulate and unite individuals with a similar bent of spiritual beliefs. But by that very nature, they are beaurocratic institutions. Across the years, the systems of rules and regulations and accepted understandings, passing through countless re-tellings and re-translations, become less applicable and, reciprocally, more applied, leading some to disillusionment.
So there's nothing wrong with faith, nor with community, nor with social institutions, but it's best to remember to take everything with a grain of salt, and rely on them for guidance rather than strict law.
I agree with Jimbo there!
You are spirtual beings created for love and obdience... To merely believe or have faith in love and obdience is not enough on the physical plane of existence you need to manifest it... :banana:
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Originally Posted by sloth
Well according to the christian bible, no its not quite that drastic. If you are thinking of 'sinning' you didn't already do it obviously. But if you want to sin, its not like you are going to be just merely wanting to forever, you are going to do it eventually.
When it says the expression "already sinning in his heart" it means that this desire will cause him to stumble and that the outcome is inevitable.
It's an inclination that turns into action.
what is a sin?
it isn't doing something a-moral, contrary to popular belief..
it literally translated is "Falling short of god's target for you" well, thats a modernised version, with the same gist.
So I'm not a christian, but do you think you would be falling short of god's expectation if you imagined raping someone?
I think god would expect more of me tbh.
But I'm not a christian so what do I know eh.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psylis
Perhaps you're forgetting the verse where Jesus himself says sinners will be cast into a lake of fire. Right, he didn't say the specific word "hell," but I think that's an acceptable description of a lake of fireQuote:
Also, the Bible never mentions hell once. Hell is a mistranslation of the word sheol or something, and is supposed to mean "grave", so you don't have to worry about that if you are christian.
As I read more posts, I see everyone seems to be hung up on sin only being sin if it hurts someone else. I can understand that reasoning from non-christians, but Christians must know that Jesus himself said that to even look at a woman lustfully was a sin. How can you say that gleefully entertaining all kinds of sinful desires and consciously acting on them, even if it is only in dreams, is not a sin, in light of the words of the Son of God himself?
Exactly the Christians' point. I won't say that I hate to tell you this, but I know you won't like it. You, and everyone else would rot and burn in hell for eternity except for the sacrifice of Jesus.Quote:
If dreams accurately mirrored our true selves then (and I hate to tell you this), by your God's standards, we're all going to rot and burn in hell for eternity
I have to agree with Sylvanus. The quotes from the Bible pretty much seal off any room for argument. Unless you don't believe in the Bible, or sin, in which case, why are you here?