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It would be insolent for me to say I may not have contributed to this from time to time, I have been a little too critical and judgemental.
I'm a lot more tolerant now :) , you won't be seeing any more seething rants from me, besides thay all seem to unravel ino the void from which they came.
YES AND I STRONGLY AGREE WE RETURN LUCID N00B TO LUCID NOVICE... the current title may be seen as a burden on new members.
Return? It used to be Lucid Newb, short for newbie, which probably isn't quite as insulting as n00b.
This month, count EXACTLY how many members we get.
Start at 1115.
I think the lowest ranking could be "Lucid Beginner" or something similarly.
Good suggestion, we were just discussing that! :DQuote:
Originally posted by Human
I think the lowest ranking could be \"Lucid Beginner\" or something similarly.
We? Are there other people on, in an anonymous rather than hidden state???
By we, I mean there has been discussion among the management here. We are not actively discussing this right now.
How about we just take the postcount, and ratings off?
Nah. As is being discussed, these have no meaning. They're just their and nobody should care about them.
I don't see how "lucid n00b" could be a burden...I mean, when I joined the forum, I thought "lucid n00b. fair play, I've only been here 5 days or so."
I think there's a sort of transparent line in Dreamviews that has no real definition, but is basically the "in" people and the "other" people. This is simply my opinon, and it's not supposed to insult anybody, but anyway, here's an example:Quote:
That is so true about the click thing. When I first came here(which was a long time ago), I was afraid that I would not fit in, but I learned that this site has an accepting community that are very friendly. When I came back after months of not coming here, I had already seen that new people that had joined after I left have already become part of the community like Opheliablue and Evanescant(sp?)(great people if I may add). I think People may seem intimidated with how close the members. *
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"in" people:
Seeker
Lost Soul
Truthbearer
icedawg
O'nus
CT
Paperdoll EP
Myself (i.e: Kaniaz)
Lowercase Society
And more...
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Well, basically anybody not on the other list, like newfolk.
It's not a malicious kind of thing, like "hah! you're just not IN with us!" (that sort of thing is sorted for a school playground, not a forum), but there certainly is a "line" or "click" or "group" or whatever.
Interesting thought Kaniaz. Yes, it seems that way, but is it just the nature of a web forum?
People join and begin interacting. Some are very shy and don't post. Some Like OpheliaBlue :smitten: jump in with both feet and start to make friends like crazy.
I suspect that anyone that jumps in on the conversations will feel welcome.
I have been a little leary of the Madame Voodoo thread. We've had people coming to us for help in interpreting dreams, and have brushed them off because they have not been lucid dreams.
Maybe we need to get them out of General and Lucid and create a new "Dream interpretation" thread to handle this?
Think of all the people that come in wanting to know about a dream. They could be lucid dreamers within a few weeks!
Techboy, that was my point. The thing is, people do care about them (moslty new people). Having them not there would encourage them not to be postwhores or up their "rank".
Great idea seeker!
OK.
I think "Dream Views" does suggest "Dream Interpretation" a little.
A Dream Interpretation Section may well be a good idea. And an interpretation tutorial.
I would have to agree. Although some people wouldn't probably care, but I'm sure there are others who do and feel discouraged and intimidated talking to all the "Gods", "Masters", "Gurus". etc.Quote:
Originally posted by dougdrums
Techboy, that was my point. The thing is, people do care about them (moslty new people). Having them not there would encourage them not to be postwhores or up their \"rank\".
Great idea seeker!
n00b (of course) just means \"newb\" short for \"newbie\" meaning someone is NEW to the forum. it's the truth. if it offends someone, that's too damn bad. it's not insulting in anyway. just like Kaniaz said. let;s not get all \"politically correct\" just because a couple n00bs get offended at something stupid. :Quote:
Originally posted by O'nus
One example: I thought \"n00b\" was a term used in games as an insult, not for dreaming. *
aye.Quote:
Originally posted by Techboy
OK.
I think \"Dream Views\" does suggest \"Dream Interpretation\" a little.
A Dream Interpretation Section may well be a good idea. And an interpretation tutorial.
Unfortunately for that theory, some do care about them and feel it affects their worth on the board. :?Quote:
Originally posted by Techboy
Nah. As is being discussed, these have no meaning. They're just their and nobody should care about them.
However a dream interpretation section sounds like a good idea for those newbies who are interested in the meaning of their dreams. Who knows, a lot of themwould probably move on to the LD sections as time moves on anyway. :P
Ha ha! Very good! I have come up with an idea you like!Quote:
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OK.
I think \"Dream Views\" does suggest \"Dream Interpretation\" a little.
A Dream Interpretation Section may well be a good idea. And an interpretation tutorial.
Ahem.. :PQuote:
Originally posted by Kaniaz
I don't see how \"lucid n00b\" could be a burden...I mean, when I joined the forum, I thought \"lucid n00b. fair play, I've only been here 5 days or so.\"
I think there's a sort of transparent line in Dreamviews that has no real definition, but is basically the \"in\" people and the \"other\" people. This is simply my opinon, and it's not supposed to insult anybody, but anyway, here's an example:
\"in\" people:
Seeker
Lost Soul
Truthbearer
icedawg
O'nus
CT
Paperdoll EP
Myself (i.e: Kaniaz)
Lowercase Society
And more...
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. 8)
Anyway, I don't think we should have to change much.Especially not the ranks, thats just stupid.If someone doesn't like it, more power to them, but we shouldn't care.Its not your level of importance. :roll:
i was always a little hesitant of that idea simply because, despite what some may tell you, interpreting dreams is completely subject and not at all objective. someone bought me a book awhile ago regarding dream interpretation, and it actually is an alphabetical listing of what signs mean (i.e. dreaming of a bridge, etc.) i've skimmed through it once or twice and i think it's quite silly.Quote:
Originally posted by Seeker
Maybe we need to get them out of General and Lucid and create a new \"Dream interpretation\" thread to handle this?
regardless of my personal feelings, i agree that perhaps it's time we introduced the aforementioned forum, again because it's completely natural to seek the meaning of one's dreams and people will always be looking for an appropriate forum to ask relevant questions. as mentioned, an FAQ would also be beneficial in such a forum, which could perhaps state that again interpreting dreams is very subjective, and often one has to determine the meaning by his or herself; i think it would also be prudent to mention that most dreams don't have a meaning at all, and are just loosely based on our day-to-day activities, worries, desires, emotional state, etc.
also, again it's time the rank 'lucid n00b' was changed. ;)
I agree with you there, it is a bit nonsensical. However, to help those who really want meaning for those dreams, perhaps we should compile a list of websites that deal specifically with dream interpretation. It's just a thought, but it may help a bit.Quote:
Originally posted by Seeker+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Seeker)</div>That was a valid thread, it was stating my thoughts of the current situation at the time. It wasn't meant to scare people off. It made a valid point, some people came here, asked about a dream, and left, never to be seen again. It addressed those people, not those who came here and as well as having a dream, were genuinely interested in lucid dreaming.Quote:
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was always a little hesitant of that idea simply because, despite what some may tell you, interpreting dreams is completely subject and not at all objective. someone bought me a book awhile ago regarding dream interpretation, and it actually is an alphabetical listing of what signs mean (i.e. dreaming of a bridge, etc.) i've skimmed through it once or twice and i think it's quite silly.
I'd be glad to help in any way I could.
yes. THAT is silly. but I picked up a book on interpreting dreams that was quite different, and it seemed logical...Quote:
Originally posted by icedawg+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(icedawg)</div>Quote:
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i was always a little hesitant of that idea simply because, despite what some may tell you, interpreting dreams is completely subject and not at all objective. someone bought me a book awhile ago regarding dream interpretation, and it actually is an alphabetical listing of what signs mean (i.e. dreaming of a bridge, etc.) i've skimmed through it once or twice and i think it's quite silly.[/b]Quote:
Maybe we need to get them out of General and Lucid and create a new \"Dream interpretation\" thread to handle this?
true. but, before I read that book I probably would have no idea how to interpret my own dreams...it's true that you are the only one who can interpret your own dreams, but, you have to know what to look for first right? you have to know what certain things may imply...I think that having a dream interpretation section is a good idea.Quote:
and often one has to determine the meaning by his or herself; *
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icedawg: I completely sympathize with your ambivalence to create a separate "Dream interpretation" forum for those seeking dream meanings. It seems like probably the best thing that could come out of that would be that helping said people identify dream signs and keep a journal could help connect them to lucidity. It could work? Heck, what do I know.
As far as the n00b title, I guess it has sort of caused "clique" lines to be drawn. I never even noticed it until this thread pointed it out. But I do see how tricky it is, when rank is defined by posts and not level/number of LDs. I dunno, maybe adopters could rank their adoptees when they have reached certain levels? But I guess more complications could come out of that as well. :?
Anyhoo, I'll close this post by saying I think it's great that some of the older members here have decided to adopt a more patient approach toward the n00b's (or "Lucid Beginners", as you will) here at DreamViews. They represent an astounding percentage of the members around here, and I would hope that we would want them to stay! So bravo to all of you who have decided to be more n00b-sympathetic. I know I'm just thrilled with their interest and thirst for learning about and attaining lucidity (myself included). The more people that take this site seriously, the better.
I know it is possible to make a mod function so it is possible to give other members points.Quote:
Originally posted by OpheliaBlue
As far as the n00b title, I guess it has sort of caused \"clique\" lines to be drawn. I never even noticed it until this thread pointed it out. But I do see how tricky it is, when rank is defined by posts and not level/number of LDs. I dunno, maybe adopters could rank their adoptees when they have reached certain levels? But I guess more complications could come out of that as well. :? *
It is based on that other members give extra points to a member who has created a very helpful thread, and that sort of things.
And I think it would be possibly to give extra points based on how excellent the person are in general as well, not only related to knowledge and experience.
Hence, if it comes a new person here who know a lot of lucid dreaming, we are able to give he/she extra points.
That way will members get "count status" for the quality of their posts, so how much they posts doesn't matter so much that way.
I am not sure if it is possible to make a mod like that in phpBB forums, though.
But I know it is a lot of computer experts here, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Regards,
-Human
I hope I didn't offend you Lomebririon! I didn't mean to. :oops:Quote:
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That was a valid thread, it was stating my thoughts of the current situation at the time. It wasn't meant to scare people off. It made a valid point, some people came here, asked about a dream, and left, never to be seen again. It addressed those people, not those who came here and as well as having a dream, were genuinely interested in lucid dreaming.Quote:
I have been a little leary of the Madame Voodoo thread. *We've had people coming to us for help in interpreting dreams, and have brushed them off because they have not been lucid dreams.
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My only concern was that maybe we are sometimes a little too harsh when we state that we do not interpret dreams.
Maybe we don't need a Dream Interpretation section. Maybe we need a Non-Lucid Experiences section, some place where non-lucid dreams can be discussed. Of course, then that begins to bump into the dream journal section...
adoptation was originally meant to be just a couple of days showing around the forum, explaining how things go in these forums and some help with LD'ing and where to look and what stuff to read.Quote:
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But it turned out to be some kind of long-term something, without much use IMO.
About dream interpretations: Perhaps a new forum would be good for that but I'm not really going to visit it because I dont know anything about that. Perhaps, when people sign up, we could state that this forum is not for dream interpretations or something, perhaps that would prevent some people to post their dreams here.
I just wanted to give a quick insight about the creation of a dream interpretation forum. Here is what I suggest we do instead. We go ahead and create a very extensive tutorial in which we show people how they can interpret their dreams, at least to some extent. I believe it is much better to do such a thing that have newbs asking us what we think their dreams mean. Let us give them the tools they need to discover it on their own.
I volunteer for this proyect(I have been wanting to contribute with a tutorial for a while) and if someone else wants to help me with the research I would be more than glad to get some help. Whether or not we create a section just for posting dreams and such, I think this would still be a great addition to our tutorial section.
Just something to think about. In case you(Seeker or Icedawg) think its a good idea, let me know so I can begin....