i dont know anyone at my school that does
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i dont know anyone at my school that does
I have no idea... Just wanted to add that I actually have a few lucid dreaming friends. :)
I don't know anybody who practices, though a friend of mine did get a lucid dream, a few weeks after I told him about the thing.
So few people know about it, and some that do pass it off as "freaky new age" stuff.
I don't know any LDers besides the ones I met here on DV. :(
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I read lucid books in my school, and thre liek What's lucid dreaming?
I dotn think anyone does it besides me.. my two best friends have lded before though, so im not completly lost.
Hey there,
I think the reason why not so many people (in our culture!) Lucid Dream, is simply because we are taught not to.
Quite a few children, you'll find, if you ask them about lucid dreaming, will find the phenomenon recognisable. But we're taught, either directly, or indirectly, not to put value to our dreams. We live in a society where dreams are usually ignored, a waste of time, where dreams 'aren't real', or 'fake', etc etc.
Consequently, like anything where we don't pay attention, we lose the ability to dream. Its like learning a language, if you stop speaking it for long enough, you'll eventually find that you can't speak it fluently anymore after a while, the words don't come spontaniously anymore.
The key to lucid dreaming, in my opinion, is for the dreamer to learn to pay attention and value his dreams again. Basically reverse the decade long process he's been undergoing. Now in some cultures, dreams are given a much higher intrinsic value. They're given a place in people's lives. Its no wonder Tibetan Dream Yogi have been able to do things with dreams that we can only "dream" off (pardon the pun). Just like them, if we're serious about lucid dreaming, we have to give dreams a place in our lives again.
Just my 2 cents,
-Redrivertears-
^^ I really hate the "because society teaches us not to" viewpoint; lucid dreaming is so rare in the general public because it's an honest-to-god abnormal state of mind to be in and difficult to cultivate even for people who care a lot about their dreams. Just "valuing your dreams" is not going to be enough for the average human being which is why we have all these techniques to help trick ourselves into the body asleep, mind awake state we need to become lucid. Conversely a minority of people couldn't care less about their dreams but become lucid anyways all the time because they're the genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry that lets that happen.
theres my friend's brother who is 25 and hes been LDing for 5 years. everyweek. and theres my brother who has had lucids from time to time and he knows what they are. and one of myfirends has over time about 20 hours of lucid dream time from different dreams. theres a couple who know what it is.
I read about lucid dreaming about four years ago; before that, I had experienced it a few times. A number of my classmates also LD occasionally, but it's true, it's rare. Nobody knew what it was called though, or even that very many other people did it.
Lucid dreaming is in no way needed to get lucid... wake up people.. :)
This guy right got it!Quote:
Originally Posted by roguext22
What?
information/techniques/ all brainwashing stuff about ld..: do dreamjournal..do rc..do that..do this..
its no needed to get lucid..
Well perhaps its so rare in our "Society" because we as a people dont put much emphasis or thoughts into our dreams, as much as other cultures, who integrate their dreams into their very lives. This is generally why they would have better dream recall, dream control, lucids...etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spamtek
And about the abnormal state of mind, I will give you that one, yes it is not the norm in our society to Lucid Dream , so yes abnormal,
But much of our state of mind is made by the Society we live in, so hence back to what we are taught and values instilled upon us by our society..
Have you done studies on the cause and effect of peoples own values that they place upon their dreams? And what about this average human being? What can you tell me about him/her?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spamtek
I agree that these techniques are great tools for inducing lucid dreams, but actually a lot of people dont need them or use them, Just as any tool, when you are finished with it, you can put it away..
Lol... Honestly do you put any close examination into the things you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spamtek
Last time I checked, I didn't realise that having Lucid Dreams all the time made us genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry. I will really have to look into this :P
I talked about it in my class when i should talk about what i would like to talk about for 3 mins, and i choose LD. no one ever heard of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by antiflag
*i also listen to anti-flag* :D
[QUOTE=Spamtek;660680 genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry .[/QUOTE]
Please walk me through this one k? Starting with one word at a time
:)
At my school, it's because the people I talk to about it are:
1. Too lazy
2. Scared by it
3. Sceptical that it will even work (...)
I've found someone in my neighborhood that must be into lucid dreaming, if not as a hobby, then at least as a topic of study (perhaps for a psychology course?). I found their notecards on lucid dreaming, but with no name. Imagine the reality checks I did when I found those!
Our culture does not focus on dreaming. Instead, we worship the media and anorexia. The end.
I think most people have had atleast one lucid experience, probably more, it's just that either they don't remember them or don't know that there is an actual term for it and just pass it off as some sort of weird vivid dream.
My roommate thinks it's cool. My roommate's girlfriend thought i was a bit off when i told her about it, thought i must be doing some ritual or something, but i asked her if she's ever known she was dreaming or had control over her dream and she said yes, sometimes she steers clear of nightmares. And i told her that's all an LD is.
I also told my best friend about it and he said he's heard about it before.
Eh, people just think it's weird.
I think there are enough people who have lucid dreams without really knowing what 'lucid dreaming' means.
I really think people should be made aware of the greatness that is Lucid Dreaming.
I don't know how my friends would react if I told them about it.
awesome...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xallie
it would be pretty cool if alot more people lucid dreamed.
my friend was trying to LD and his grama read his dream journal and she said that it was bad lol
Most of my friends are really skeptic when I tell them about LDing. Even when I pull out a psychology textbook.
When they do believe me, they never want to get involved. They think it would be realy cool to control your dreams, but wouldn't want to put all the work in.
Too bad for them I say.
Yeah, same case here. (except I rarely have a psychology book handy ;P)Quote:
Most of my friends are really skeptic when I tell them about LDing. Even when I pull out a psychology textbook.
When they do believe me, they never want to get involved. They think it would be realy cool to control your dreams, but wouldn't want to put all the work in.
Too bad for them I say.
Half of my friends don't believe me, saying that it's impossible to know when you're dreaming, and half believe me, but don't want to try it, like "what's the point", etc.
Well that's 30 years of their life they're going to waste in bed doing nothing!
We as a people don't put much emphasis on our dreams because the standard human being doesn't put much emphasis on his dreams because there's no good natural goddamn reason for the average person in average circumstances to care about their dreams, at all - if there were, we'd already "as a society" care about it. The reason, really, why I jerked my knee at the world 'society' is because people take it to mean something other than the agglomerated impulses, modified by environment and necessity, of a cluster of big-headed supermonkeys. And the average big-headed supermonkey doesn't get any jollies - no excitement, no enchantment, no enlightenment - from his nocturnal hallucinations. Maybe you want to say "oh, but if we just showed them the light then they'd understand!" But that's not in their psychology to enjoy ephemeral pleasures like that; if it were they'd already be one of the converted.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewDreamer
See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewDreamer
Only on myself, and I'm evidence enough to show that this shit don't correlate, not all the time. Count five and a half years of caring deeply about my own dreams (journaling, interpretation, discussion, every lucid technique invented under the sun, enough emphasis to suffocate someone with) and never becoming lucid despite it. Not to deny the possibility of positive thought helping people become lucid, not at all, but there are, straight out, people so stunted that no amount of belief will help them, and people so gifted that they couldn't stop having lucids if they tried. And in between, a whole load of people who might make it might not, maybe or maybe not with the help of a positive outlook. All I'm trying to say is that there's no law implying that how much you focus on a goal decides, concretely, how well you'll attain it. Shit tons of people achieve amazing things without even wanting to, and metric fuckloads of people focus their damnedest on the prize but just can't make it there anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewDreamer
it's not normal to have lucid dreams all the time; hence those who do are abberrant. Unless every person I've discussed the subject with has been lying through their teeth and actually have amazing lucid moments every night, this is just the case. Aberration isn't bad, it's just different, and in this case I'd choose it in a heartbeat if I could. But if we all could then it wouldn't be rare enough for the question in this topic to be raised in the first place. So it's not that easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewDreamer
Why did you post twice, about the same thing no less?Quote:
Originally Posted by NewDreamer
...yeah people just don't give it a chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Xox
I had never even heard of lucid dreaming until about a month ago. I doubt if any of my friends have either.
People don't hear it or don't know about it because this world only is focused on the media. You mostly hear people that have trouble to sleep and have insomnia. Plus with the world today, people are so busy they don't have time to even think about dreaming.
A lot of my friends try do.
More people probably do than you think, they either don't know what to call it, or don't want to talk about it, or don't think to talk about it. Or it just never comes up in normal conversation, I know I rarely ever talk about dreams with friends, family, or co-workers. With the exception of my husband, who asks what dreams did you have every morning when I wake up. I ask him too and we talk about them.
I told my parents when I had my first lucid dream as a kid, usually told them my dreams; and my dad told me about a way he controls his dreams and can dream what he wants. I found it interesting, he talked about techniques he had to get to sleep as well, like breathing, counting, and muscle relaxing techniques all in one. It didn't mean anything to me then but after reading this forum it does now and I wish I could remember more of what he said. He never talked about it again, no need to I guess.
To take a shot at it I would say it's because first of all for the most part people don't remembers thier dreams to begin with so there is your first problem. Also, Because of that they wouldn't even remember if they even had a lucid dream because they wouldn't be able to remember what they dreamt about. I'm sure people lucid dream on thier own but they just don't know what it is, or that it even has a name. So sadly, the majority of people don't lucid dream beause they don't even remember the dream to begin with, And the term lucid dreaming in unheard of for most people.
Eh, a lot of people I know know about them. Once some kid at my school said something about these repeating nightmares he kept having, and it somehow led to someone asking about 'those dreams where you know you're dreaming and can do anything.' 3 or so people said they'd had them before, and someone else said they have one every time they have this repeating dream about a museum.
Also, once in science my teacher was talking about REM sleep and the girl sitting next to me asked me what it was called when 'you have those dreams where you know it's a dream.'
Yeah, but of course none of them have them intentionally or even know the term 'lucid dream.'
I have a number of friends who lucid dream. I think most people don't do it because they either don't know about it or consider altered states of consciousness to be "new-agey" and phony.
Same, i think im the only ld'er at my schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by Greedo
Yeah, the problem with dream recall is big, plus people just don't understand dreams. Have you ever heard a person say "I don't dream" or something along those lines? I hate that because I know they do dream, they simply don't remember it.
I've actually talked about lucid dreaming with a couple kids at my school and they say they've done it once or twice. I can't contemplate how people don't think LDing is real. I just can't really understand it I guess, but you could always tell skeptics about the tests done. Since your eyes still are able to move while you are dreaming, I believe LaBerge did something with that and the test subject would do certain eye movements like left-right twice or something to signal certain things. I only really heard about it somewhere else, don't know the details.
Yep, that's right. LaBerge set up this experiment where he agreed to move his eyes left and right a set amount of times, then wait and repeat it. He was not the first one to experiment with communicating with the outside world, but I think he was the first to do it in a scientifically acceptable way.
This has also been repeated many times later.
The main problem I think is, as ninja said, that LD'ing can easily appear as some phony new-age thing, if you don't hear about the scientific proof.
I have one friend at my school who thinks lucid dreaming is awesome, two who can't understand how I do it because they "don't think" in their dreams and one who argues and argues about how do scientists know that we dream 4 (or more) times every night and says that it's a bunch of mumbo-jumbo(sp?), when I try to explain to her about all the scientific studies and such she just says we dont know and I fell like this --> :bang:
Not read all the replies here but I think primarily it is down to people just not even thinking about questioning the dream state - for example I was talking to my girlfriend about this the other night and she said she always flys in dreams; so I asked her, "Well did you not think to yourself this must be a dream because I cannot fly?" And she said that she knew it was a dream but didn't think about taking control or doing anything with it.
So I think there are a lot of people out there who know they are dreaming but never actually think to take control or push the boundaries.
I know for a fact before I found this site my lucid dreams were very mundane and lacked any real drive to achieve anything. When I found this site, I managed to set myself some tasks and make the most of my lucid dreams.
my belife is that lots of people have them once or twice (i know i did), but dont share them b/c they think its just an annomaly. so it seems that not many people have them.
make sense?
Alot of people think it doesn't exist, and some think it is evil (though very few). People are always afraid of what they don't know or understand (I think I just quoted a famous person). Alot of people born in the most recent generation are far more open-minded than we were centuries, or even decades ago. Hope it answers your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by antiflag
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Originally Posted by Spamtek
yeah I told my mom about it and she thought it seemed evil until I actually explained it to her in better detail. I dont see how someone could think of it as evil. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by jereb
When I explain what lucid dreaming is a lot of my friends tell me they have had at least one.
a lot of people have experienced lucid dreams. its just that they dont know what its called. an educated person would just think that it is just a very vivid dream. But i have told some of my friends and they have had them before. but they dont seem to find the value in them. even after i spend a while talking to them about it. what is it about some people that dont find it attractive?
Dunno.. tried to convince my friends they were real. But their so sceptical about it :(
Because it doesn't exist and its evil. Duh.
Necro-ing old threads is frowned apon, hootman.
But as long as it's here, I think alot more people practice it than you think. In my psychology class last year we talked about lucid dreaming, which not only gave me a chance to plug DV but also let me find out that a kid I'd known for years was a lucid dreamer and I had no idea.