Thread: why dont many people lucid dream?

I have no idea... Just wanted to add that I actually have a few lucid dreaming friends.

I don't know anybody who practices, though a friend of mine did get a lucid dream, a few weeks after I told him about the thing.

So few people know about it, and some that do pass it off as "freaky new age" stuff.

I don't know any LDers besides the ones I met here on DV.

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I read lucid books in my school, and thre liek What's lucid dreaming?
I dotn think anyone does it besides me.. my two best friends have lded before though, so im not completly lost.

Hey there,

I think the reason why not so many people (in our culture!) Lucid Dream, is simply because we are taught not to.

Quite a few children, you'll find, if you ask them about lucid dreaming, will find the phenomenon recognisable. But we're taught, either directly, or indirectly, not to put value to our dreams. We live in a society where dreams are usually ignored, a waste of time, where dreams 'aren't real', or 'fake', etc etc.

Consequently, like anything where we don't pay attention, we lose the ability to dream. Its like learning a language, if you stop speaking it for long enough, you'll eventually find that you can't speak it fluently anymore after a while, the words don't come spontaniously anymore.

The key to lucid dreaming, in my opinion, is for the dreamer to learn to pay attention and value his dreams again. Basically reverse the decade long process he's been undergoing. Now in some cultures, dreams are given a much higher intrinsic value. They're given a place in people's lives. Its no wonder Tibetan Dream Yogi have been able to do things with dreams that we can only "dream" off (pardon the pun). Just like them, if we're serious about lucid dreaming, we have to give dreams a place in our lives again.

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

^^ I really hate the "because society teaches us not to" viewpoint; lucid dreaming is so rare in the general public because it's an honest-to-god abnormal state of mind to be in and difficult to cultivate even for people who care a lot about their dreams. Just "valuing your dreams" is not going to be enough for the average human being which is why we have all these techniques to help trick ourselves into the body asleep, mind awake state we need to become lucid. Conversely a minority of people couldn't care less about their dreams but become lucid anyways all the time because they're the genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry that lets that happen.

theres my friend's brother who is 25 and hes been LDing for 5 years. everyweek. and theres my brother who has had lucids from time to time and he knows what they are. and one of myfirends has over time about 20 hours of lucid dream time from different dreams. theres a couple who know what it is.

I read about lucid dreaming about four years ago; before that, I had experienced it a few times. A number of my classmates also LD occasionally, but it's true, it's rare. Nobody knew what it was called though, or even that very many other people did it.

Lucid dreaming is in no way needed to get lucid... wake up people..

Originally Posted by roguext22

Lucid dreaming is in no way needed to get lucid... wake up people..

This guy right got it!

What?

information/techniques/ all brainwashing stuff about ld..: do dreamjournal..do rc..do that..do this..
its no needed to get lucid..

Originally Posted by Spamtek

^^ I really hate the "because society teaches us not to" viewpoint; lucid dreaming is so rare in the general public because it's an honest-to-god abnormal state of mind.

Well perhaps its so rare in our "Society" because we as a people dont put much emphasis or thoughts into our dreams, as much as other cultures, who integrate their dreams into their very lives. This is generally why they would have better dream recall, dream control, lucids...etc..
And about the abnormal state of mind, I will give you that one, yes it is not the norm in our society to Lucid Dream , so yes abnormal,
But much of our state of mind is made by the Society we live in, so hence back to what we are taught and values instilled upon us by our society..

Originally Posted by Spamtek

^^ to be in and difficult to cultivate even for people who care a lot about their dreams. Just "valuing your dreams" is not going to be enough for the average human being which is why we have all these techniques to help trick ourselves into the body asleep, mind awake state we need to become lucid. .

Have you done studies on the cause and effect of peoples own values that they place upon their dreams? And what about this average human being? What can you tell me about him/her?
I agree that these techniques are great tools for inducing lucid dreams, but actually a lot of people dont need them or use them, Just as any tool, when you are finished with it, you can put it away..

Originally Posted by Spamtek

^^ Conversely a minority of people couldn't care less about their dreams but become lucid anyways all the time because they're the genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry that lets that happen.

Lol... Honestly do you put any close examination into the things you say?
Last time I checked, I didn't realise that having Lucid Dreams all the time made us genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry. I will really have to look into this

Originally Posted by antiflag

i dont know anyone at my school that does

I talked about it in my class when i should talk about what i would like to talk about for 3 mins, and i choose LD. no one ever heard of it.
*i also listen to anti-flag*

[QUOTE=Spamtek;660680 genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry .[/QUOTE]

Please walk me through this one k? Starting with one word at a time

At my school, it's because the people I talk to about it are:
1. Too lazy
2. Scared by it
3. Sceptical that it will even work (...)

I've found someone in my neighborhood that must be into lucid dreaming, if not as a hobby, then at least as a topic of study (perhaps for a psychology course?). I found their notecards on lucid dreaming, but with no name. Imagine the reality checks I did when I found those!

Our culture does not focus on dreaming. Instead, we worship the media and anorexia. The end.

I think most people have had atleast one lucid experience, probably more, it's just that either they don't remember them or don't know that there is an actual term for it and just pass it off as some sort of weird vivid dream.

My roommate thinks it's cool. My roommate's girlfriend thought i was a bit off when i told her about it, thought i must be doing some ritual or something, but i asked her if she's ever known she was dreaming or had control over her dream and she said yes, sometimes she steers clear of nightmares. And i told her that's all an LD is.

I also told my best friend about it and he said he's heard about it before.

Eh, people just think it's weird.

I think there are enough people who have lucid dreams without really knowing what 'lucid dreaming' means.

I really think people should be made aware of the greatness that is Lucid Dreaming.

I don't know how my friends would react if I told them about it.

Originally Posted by Xallie

I talked about it in my class when i should talk about what i would like to talk about for 3 mins, and i choose LD. no one ever heard of it.
*i also listen to anti-flag*

awesome...

it would be pretty cool if alot more people lucid dreamed.

my friend was trying to LD and his grama read his dream journal and she said that it was bad lol

Most of my friends are really skeptic when I tell them about LDing. Even when I pull out a psychology textbook.

When they do believe me, they never want to get involved. They think it would be realy cool to control your dreams, but wouldn't want to put all the work in.

Too bad for them I say.

Most of my friends are really skeptic when I tell them about LDing. Even when I pull out a psychology textbook.

When they do believe me, they never want to get involved. They think it would be realy cool to control your dreams, but wouldn't want to put all the work in.

Too bad for them I say.

Yeah, same case here. (except I rarely have a psychology book handy ;P)

Half of my friends don't believe me, saying that it's impossible to know when you're dreaming, and half believe me, but don't want to try it, like "what's the point", etc.

Well that's 30 years of their life they're going to waste in bed doing nothing!

Originally Posted by NewDreamer

Well perhaps its so rare in our "Society" because we as a people dont put much emphasis or thoughts into our dreams, as much as other cultures, who integrate their dreams into their very lives. This is generally why they would have better dream recall, dream control, lucids...etc..

We as a people don't put much emphasis on our dreams because the standard human being doesn't put much emphasis on his dreams because there's no good natural goddamn reason for the average person in average circumstances to care about their dreams, at all - if there were, we'd already "as a society" care about it. The reason, really, why I jerked my knee at the world 'society' is because people take it to mean something other than the agglomerated impulses, modified by environment and necessity, of a cluster of big-headed supermonkeys. And the average big-headed supermonkey doesn't get any jollies - no excitement, no enchantment, no enlightenment - from his nocturnal hallucinations. Maybe you want to say "oh, but if we just showed them the light then they'd understand!" But that's not in their psychology to enjoy ephemeral pleasures like that; if it were they'd already be one of the converted.

Originally Posted by NewDreamer

And about the abnormal state of mind, I will give you that one, yes it is not the norm in our society to Lucid Dream , so yes abnormal,
But much of our state of mind is made by the Society we live in, so hence back to what we are taught and values instilled upon us by our society..

See above.

Originally Posted by NewDreamer

Have you done studies on the cause and effect of peoples own values that they place upon their dreams? And what about this average human being? What can you tell me about him/her?

Only on myself, and I'm evidence enough to show that this shit don't correlate, not all the time. Count five and a half years of caring deeply about my own dreams (journaling, interpretation, discussion, every lucid technique invented under the sun, enough emphasis to suffocate someone with) and never becoming lucid despite it. Not to deny the possibility of positive thought helping people become lucid, not at all, but there are, straight out, people so stunted that no amount of belief will help them, and people so gifted that they couldn't stop having lucids if they tried. And in between, a whole load of people who might make it might not, maybe or maybe not with the help of a positive outlook. All I'm trying to say is that there's no law implying that how much you focus on a goal decides, concretely, how well you'll attain it. Shit tons of people achieve amazing things without even wanting to, and metric fuckloads of people focus their damnedest on the prize but just can't make it there anyways.

Originally Posted by NewDreamer

I agree that these techniques are great tools for inducing lucid dreams, but actually a lot of people dont need them or use them, Just as any tool, when you are finished with it, you can put it away..
Lol... Honestly do you put any close examination into the things you say?
Last time I checked, I didn't realise that having Lucid Dreams all the time made us genetic mutants with an aberrant brain chemistry. I will really have to look into this

it's not normal to have lucid dreams all the time; hence those who do are abberrant. Unless every person I've discussed the subject with has been lying through their teeth and actually have amazing lucid moments every night, this is just the case. Aberration isn't bad, it's just different, and in this case I'd choose it in a heartbeat if I could. But if we all could then it wouldn't be rare enough for the question in this topic to be raised in the first place. So it's not that easy.

Originally Posted by NewDreamer

Please walk me through this one k? Starting with one word at a time

Why did you post twice, about the same thing no less?