"Proving" lucid dreams

Once upon a time lived one of my retarded friends at school. And guess what? He told me that lucid dreams are not real and are a load of bullcrap. I told him to just LOOK at this website and see for himself and he "doesn't want to waste his time".

AAAAAAH! I'm so pissed off! And he's not your average friend either! I won't name names although I'd like to, but he's got his head so far up his own arse it's no wonder he can't see straight! He is the kind of person who'd boast about LDing if he could so I think he's actually telling the truth, he really doesn't think they exist. How can I "prove" to him that they're chuffing real, bearing in mind that in his world the thousands of people on this site are all bots who are put in place to feed the "Great Lucid Scam"!

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

How can I "prove" to him that they're chuffing real, bearing in mind that in his world the thousands of people on this site are all bots who are put in place to feed the "Great Lucid Scam"!

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Stephen LaBerge proved this in the 1970s. Test subjects were monitored with EEG and used an agreed upon signal (moving eyes back and forth) when they became lucid. The brainwaves recorded by the EEG provided verification that they were in fact asleep.

Sounds like it's not even worth trying to prove it to the guy if he's being such an ass about it... his loss anyway right?

Yeah I guess you're right. I just can't wait until the day he actually has one and drags his sorry ass back to me realising how divine they are! :boogie:

Hehe, got to love it. Most of my friends just shake their heads when I explain LDing to them. And one of them said "Arent you too old for that kind of stuff?"

Precisely why I never tried nor plan on telling anyone about lucid dreaming... ;)

I love telling people about lucid dreaming, alot of people don't know what it is even after explaining!:D

I wouldn't worry too much about your friend. You're probably right in saying that he'll eventually have one, but I doubt he'd tell you if he did, considering the aforementioned positioning of his head. Heh, anyway, as far as telling people about lucid dreaming goes, as much as I'd like to tell the world, I usually only tell people I know would be interested. I really long for the day when I meet someone who exhibits as much of a fascination by it as I, and that's partly the reason why I come to these forums.

when i tell my friends about it, and i say im trying to learn it, they totally lie and are like, haha, i can do them all the time its soo easy. really they cant

I hadnt really heard of them, but ive woke up thousands of times in the middle of the night, and some of these things ive experienced, have happened for the first time and thats after reading through here, so i know its real.

Lucid dreams aren't real. It's just insane new age crap. Grow up.

A lot of my friends have found this hard to believe, I just show them a psychology textbook. (Most of them will have something on lucid dreaming)

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

Once upon a time lived one of my retarded friends at school. And guess what? He told me that lucid dreams are not real and are a load of bullcrap. I told him to just LOOK at this website and see for himself and he "doesn't want to waste his time".

AAAAAAH! I'm so pissed off! And he's not your average friend either! I won't name names although I'd like to, but he's got his head so far up his own arse it's no wonder he can't see straight! He is the kind of person who'd boast about LDing if he could so I think he's actually telling the truth, he really doesn't think they exist. How can I "prove" to him that they're chuffing real, bearing in mind that in his world the thousands of people on this site are all bots who are put in place to feed the "Great Lucid Scam"!

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Don't waste your time, dude. Something tells me he'd just deny it whatever you do to prove the existance of lucid dreaming. If he just believes it's all a scam, don't bother proving him wrong.

Lucid dreams don't exist, oh you crazy kids and your Lucid dreams and your sugar free ice cream and your diet sodas and you hippety hop music...

I dont mean real as in, its actually happening and everyone in it is real. I mean it as its possible to do them. Read out of context much.

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Originally Posted by Johnny87

I dont mean real as in, its actually happening and everyone in it is real. I mean it as its possible to do them. Read out of context much.

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I know what you mean by real TT_TT

I like your avatar Idolfan!

My mom calls me a nut when I tell her of one. I used to think LDing was common.

tell people about it when they're ready to handle it or you know they will understand it and or be interested in it. no need in telling someone who doesn't need to know.

Edit: as previously stated by Metaphyz1k (didn't read the whole thread, crap!) :D

Lucid Dreaming is an amazing ability,an we here at the forums all know this, im proud of what we all do, and if people don't believe you then it's only them missing out, not us ...LD forever

I have a friend like that, don't tell them anything! they will just shove it in your face. anyway, just leave him alone. If he doesn't believe it then don't bother. thats what I would do.

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

Once upon a time lived one of my retarded friends at school. And guess what? He told me that lucid dreams are not real and are a load of bullcrap. I told him to just LOOK at this website and see for himself and he "doesn't want to waste his time".

AAAAAAH! I'm so pissed off! And he's not your average friend either! I won't name names although I'd like to, but he's got his head so far up his own arse it's no wonder he can't see straight! He is the kind of person who'd boast about LDing if he could so I think he's actually telling the truth, he really doesn't think they exist. How can I "prove" to him that they're chuffing real, bearing in mind that in his world the thousands of people on this site are all bots who are put in place to feed the "Great Lucid Scam"!

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Y are U even pissed since Ur persuing something that requires a higher mentality than the average person.

IMJ

Let's think about it. Are lucid dreams that uncommon? If so then proving them or making them better known is something that would part of us would like to do. Why?

Those people that have lucid dreams since childhood treat it like it's very natural - count me to this group of people. I don't have any reason for making them better known because from my point of view it's nothing special, but don't get me wrong the vivid ones are still very special because they are a lot more than common lucid dreams.

I guess that only those people who learned about them recently have their reasons to making them better known. But then again why? Will it make them feel better about themselves?

Well, first of all...

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

Once upon a time lived one of my retarded friends at school. And guess what?

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Props to you for that line alone. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

AAAAAAH! I'm so pissed off! And he's not your average friend either! I won't name names although I'd like to, but he's got his head so far up his own arse it's no wonder he can't see straight! He is the kind of person who'd boast about LDing if he could so I think he's actually telling the truth, he really doesn't think they exist. How can I "prove" to him that they're chuffing real, bearing in mind that in his world the thousands of people on this site are all bots who are put in place to feed the "Great Lucid Scam"!

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The problem is that you think it needs proving. As long as he sees that attitude in you, he'll keep the same attitude. The moment you take up a wise and patient attitude about it, saying things like, "It's a scientifically proven fact...don't believe it if you don't want to..." or "If you don't believe what your friends tell you, fine...", the moment you do that, he'll become curious.

In essence, you're being as childish as he is. Because you are taking up a position where you are dependent on his view of the matter. So either be patient and wise, thus utilising reverse psychology -- when you show clearly that you know about lucid dreaming and that it's not a matter of believing -- or be straight-forward and emotionally open -- when you bring up the matter of trust and understanding between friends.

it makes me mad when people dont believe the facts. There right in front of them! :listenup: I tried telling people i knew about lucid dreaming once. Haha they gave me some funny looks. And my mom thought i was like going over to satan or something :rolllaugh: I guess its all in how you make it sound. Try explaining a WILD. If you go up and say i know how to wake initiate a lucid dream!!! then people will think you are a nutcase. If you simplify it and just say that you know how to fall asleep consciously then you wont be as frowned upon.

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Originally Posted by CloudOne

Let's think about it. Are lucid dreams that uncommon? If so then proving them or making them better known is something that would part of us would like to do. Why?

Those people that have lucid dreams since childhood treat it like it's very natural - count me to this group of people. I don't have any reason for making them better known because from my point of view it's nothing special, but don't get me wrong the vivid ones are still very special because they are a lot more than common lucid dreams.

I guess that only those people who learned about them recently have their reasons to making them better known. But then again why? Will it make them feel better about themselves?

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This has nothing to do with people making themselves feel special. I have been lucid dreaming since a child, and still I tell people about them. Because of the vast amount of uses for lucid dreaming - I feel sharing this is a great thing to do, for the right people. Those truly interested in it, why not share it? If you think something is good, would you hold it back from someone because you think "It's not that special!"

And for these vivid ones (not sure what you mean here, they are all vivid usually) do you not think it is worth sharing with people; for them to experience the same?

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Originally Posted by freefire

it makes me mad when people dont believe the facts. There right in front of them! :listenup: I tried telling people i knew about lucid dreaming once. Haha they gave me some funny looks. And my mom thought i was like going over to satan or something :rolllaugh: I guess its all in how you make it sound. Try explaining a WILD. If you go up and say i know how to wake initiate a lucid dream!!! then people will think you are a nutcase. If you simplify it and just say that you know how to fall asleep consciously then you wont be as frowned upon.

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Why does it make you mad? Because for them it isn't that important as it is for you?

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Originally Posted by Adam

This has nothing to do with people making themselves feel special. I have been lucid dreaming since a child, and still I tell people about them. Because of the vast amount of uses for lucid dreaming - I feel sharing this is a great thing to do, for the right people. Those truly interested in it, why not share it? If you think something is good, would you hold it back from someone because you think "It's not that special!"

And for these vivid ones (not sure what you mean here, they are all vivid usually) do you not think it is worth sharing with people; for them to experience the same?

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Sharing it with people that are interested in it is surely a good thing for both parties. I hadn't met anyone with whom I'd share my lucid experiences and I don't feel bad for it. For me it's not important to share it and i respect those who feel otherwise. Ok, but proving is another matter. Why anyone experienced in LDing would want everyone to believe him? I don't see any point in that.

ld are not real.. thats the fact. prove me wrong.. meh.. you cant..because i had those unreal ld...

So you mean he should only share with those willing to know about it, rather than waste time on those who are too ignorant to listen?

And what is with all the bullshit posts on this forum lately? Is it really worth anyones time posting: "Yeah ld are not real man, cuz I said" - Jeeze if you don't have anything serious to say stay out of the post FFS!

Even Sigmund Freud thought that people who have lucid dreams were just delusional. People don't understand things that they have not experienced. Now that we have scientific proof, you would think that people wouldn't be so ignorant, but sometimes they are.

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Originally Posted by Adam

And for these vivid ones (not sure what you mean here, they are all vivid usually) do you not think it is worth sharing with people; for them to experience the same?

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I consider vivid ones as those with clarity equal to reality, or even exceeding it.

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Originally Posted by Adam

So you mean he should only share with those willing to know about it, rather than waste time on those who are too ignorant to listen?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Adam

And what is with all the bullshit posts on this forum lately? Is it really worth anyones time posting: "Yeah ld are not real man, cuz I said" - Jeeze if you don't have anything serious to say stay out of the post FFS!

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They're wrong and the way and place they say it in is funny. :banana:

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Originally Posted by goldentheponygirl

Even Sigmund Freud thought that people who have lucid dreams were just delusional. People don't understand things that they have not experienced. Now that we have scientific proof, you would think that people wouldn't be so ignorant, but sometimes they are.

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Did he really say that? He must have been a very rational man, and I mean orthodox rational. Lol. I think that people are ignorant about this because of that even if they believed in it it wouldn't be important for them because what they didn't experience they don't miss.

To say S. Freud is wrong..it such a foolish stupidity...that.. i will tell this many times..

To deny S. Freud sentences, you must be like him.
To deny that ld are real, or to say they are real, you must get ld yourself.. ( often )
To tell oobe is fake, or illusion, or only in the mind, one must experience it himself ( often )...

if not..then you are a stupid ignorant man.. :) or woman.

P.S. the fact is that everyone is right... ( only someone might understand more, or someone might have more experience in some, or other kind of stuff.
P.S.S. i dont even bother to insult anyone.. Im not interested in it. :)

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Originally Posted by roguext22

To say S. Freud is wrong..it such a foolish stupidity...that.. i will tell this many times..

To deny S. Freud sentences, you must be like him.
To deny that ld are real, or to say they are real, you must get ld yourself.. ( often )
To tell oobe is fake, or illusion, or only in the mind, one must experience it himself ( often )...

if not..then you are a stupid ignorant man.. :) or woman.

P.S. the fact is that everyone is right... ( only someone might understand more, or someone might have more experience in some, or other kind of stuff.
P.S.S. i dont even bother to insult anyone.. Im not interested in it. :)

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Now in English, please.

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Originally Posted by roguext22

To say S. Freud is wrong..it such a foolish stupidity

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Isaac Newton was partly wrong, Galileo Galilei was partly wrong (not in that that the Earth is circulating the Sun), and many other great men were partly wrong... We are only people, after all.

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Originally Posted by CloudOne

Isaac Newton was partly wrong, Galileo Galilei was partly wrong (not in that that the Earth is circulating the Sun), and many other great men were partly wrong... We are only people, after all.

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I wrote P.S. !!!!

P.S. the fact is that everyone is right... ( only someone might understand more, or someone might have more experience in some, or other kind of stuff.


They were right.. very right!.. but nowadays scientiscs understands more..
I wasnt contradicting myself at all..

Yea I hate it when you try and tell a friend, but then they will just say " Oh yea I have them all the time" hah. thats when I whip out my gatt, and drop a mofo

Wow, thanks for all the replies! I think I'll just shut up about LDs because I'm not coing to convince this guy anyway... yet.. You're right in saying that you have to experience something first hand to judge it. I for instance beleive OBEs are just odd lucid dreams, and I have experienced quite a few so it's a rational judgement. On the other hand when I told my mother about hypnogogic voices if that's what they are, she thought I was schitzophrenic :P. And she actually has a psycology degree! Is it true lucid dreams are discussed in psycology at all, because I'm doing it next year but my mother never heard of it.

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

Is it true lucid dreams are discussed in psycology at all, because I'm doing it next year but my mother never heard of it.

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I had psychology this semester and even though we've had one of the best professionals in the country he didn't mention lucid dreams.

About the OBE's I've experienced something similar to it, but only just LD. Probably every OBE is LD in some way.

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Originally Posted by Idolfan

Once upon a time lived one of my retarded friends at school. And guess what? He told me that lucid dreams are not real and are a load of bullcrap. I told him to just LOOK at this website and see for himself and he "doesn't want to waste his time".

AAAAAAH! I'm so pissed off! And he's not your average friend either! I won't name names although I'd like to, but he's got his head so far up his own arse it's no wonder he can't see straight! He is the kind of person who'd boast about LDing if he could so I think he's actually telling the truth, he really doesn't think they exist. How can I "prove" to him that they're chuffing real, bearing in mind that in his world the thousands of people on this site are all bots who are put in place to feed the "Great Lucid Scam"!

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Tell him to look on Wikipedia.
That'll shut his ass up considering it says in there and I quote "Lucid dreaming has been researched scientifically, and its existence is well established."

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Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

Tell him to look on Wikipedia.
That'll shut his ass up considering it says in there and I quote "Lucid dreaming has been researched scientifically, and its existence is well established."

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Not to sound pesimistic but everyone can write articles on Wikipedia.

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Originally Posted by CloudOne

Not to sound pesimistic but everyone can write articles on Wikipedia.

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True, but I heard that the moderators or whatever there change the information immediately if it was false.

Yup. Apparently they don't check user pages much, especially.

When my parents found and read my dream journal without my knowledge, I got in serious trouble because they thought lucid dreaming was something "evil". Not to mention my entries about my sexual dreams that they read too... But I no longer keep a dream journal.

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Originally Posted by nullbyte00

When my parents found and read my dream journal without my knowledge, I got in serious trouble because they thought lucid dreaming was something "evil". Not to mention my entries about my sexual dreams that they read too... But I no longer keep a dream journal.

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That just sucks. How about keeping an online one if possible?