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So I thought tonight I'd try a WILD.
I got up 3 and a half hours after going to sleep, and lay face up on a couch. After a while I felt like I needed to scratch myself or move my limbs, but I resisted.
Apart from some minor twitching, I experienced nothing I've read about on here. (Vibrations, sounds, HP). I lay there for 30 minutes before I tried a roll out, which now I realize was stupid, because I felt no shift.
Is there anything I'm doing wrong?
I usually experience the same type of situation. I would say you need to 'ride the train' a bit more into deeper relaxation, and try not to think about what exactly you are feeling/experiencing. Instead, just feel them and observe them objectively; don't judge, don't think, just accept and welcome.
It's hard at first, but once you get the hang of it you will be able to become more relaxed and thus increase the liklihood of a successful WILD.
Good luck!
Hey Scar, Luminous and I have already helped you in chat, but if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. :)
And be sure to let us know how that second WILD goes. :D
We have now discussed this. :P Good luck! Don't forget to update this thread! :D
scratch those itches.!
Try waking up 5 hours into your sleep.
Try not to think about WILDing while WILDing.
Focus on somthin like your breathing
Keep eyes closed
Its okay to use alarms
Wait...
thats what your not sposed to doQuote:
Originally Posted by shotbirds
Actually, yeah, you can. I've read the WILD tutorial and it said its necessaryQuote:
Originally Posted by antiflag
to scratch.
I attempted WILD last night. I woke up around 6:00 AM, and as I tried to fall asleep, I caught myself just before I fell asleep. My body was extremely relaxed. After a minute of laying there, I seen some Hypnogogic Imagery, just a small blue bird. After another minute, I felt my feet start to tingle, and seen a little more imagery. After about 3 minutes of that, I felt my whole body start to Vibrate quite a bit, and then seen a whole wall of Images, just random things, and they started to spiral and shake violently. Combined with the Vibrations I was feeling, I got a little freaked for a moment, and told myself what was happening, and after a minute of that, not passing into the dream, I grew tired of it and just Forced Myself up, and then went to sleep.
The key to a good WILD, is to try to catch that moment JUST before you fall asleep, and hang onto Consciousness.
ohh... i thought he was talking about this techniqueQuote:
Originally Posted by Slick
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=42271
However, most 'scratching' sensations and urges are merely an attempt of the brain to make up some busy work for you to do. When you're attempting to stay conscious whilst ignoring sensory input, your mind feels a need to fabricate sensory input to keep a hold of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick
Thus, by itching and paying attention to those false bodily sensations, you are both breaking relaxation and reinforcing this negative reaction to relaxation.
The 'itching' is common within the first half-hour of deep meditation and isolation tanks, and is completely psychosomatic, and should be ignored if one wishes to become completely relaxed.
Remeber, the key here is to be the objective observer and don't judge/give attention to thoughts or sensations. Ride the train, go with the flow, and fall deep into relaxation.
He's actually got it backwards though, the body falls asleep before the mind... the mind is never asleep. Its always alert and aware of your surroundings. Thats why you can wake up when you hear noises, see bright lights, feel sudden movements.
Oh, I'm not doubting the mind isn't aware of its surroundings; it would have to be in order to preserve the perpetuation of our species (otherwise the lions could have easily eaten us in our sleep way back when).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tao
My point was merely that the itching and prickly sensations aren't anything more than fabrications of the nervous system to maintain a status quo of sensory input. If one stays still to long without movement, the brain will need something to attach itself to or it will make up its own (hence dreaming etc).
In fact, if you go long enough without sensory input, you begin to hallucinate or go on psychedelic trips, as with isolation tanks and the like.
Well, I set my alarm for a few hours later to try again, but truth be told, I just wasn't motivated to get out of bed XD
So I slept. And dreamt about becoming lucid, without actually becoming lucid. Which was annoying when I woke and realised what I'd been dreaming about.
Why on earth wouldn't I do a reality check when I was running into people matrix style? O_o
Anyway. I'm getting off topic. I shall try again tonight, and let you guys know what happenes in this thread. Thanks for all your tips and suggestions.
PS: My Mum thinks you're all lying to me. She doesn't think you can induce lucid dreams. Help me prove her wrong ;)
Hey, fellow Melbournian. :D
Try tell your Mum that it works just like any other dream. If your emotionally invested in something enough, you start to dream about it. Whether it be the Matrix, a football game, eating ice cream, or lucid dreaming. Thats basically how DILDs work anyway.
I was trying to WILD for 2 months before I finally had 2 successes. Then I couldn't reproduce it for a few weeks until last night I achieved a third by taking a different approach. Maybe this approach will give you some ideas to tweak your attempts. I think its different for all of us.
I slept for 6 hours straight, automatically waking up twice in that time to quickly write down dreams in note form. Then I got up and stayed up for 2 hours, had breakfast and read about lucid dreaming on the net. Then went back to bed. Instead of trying to WILD on my back, I went to my usual sleeping position. I did a relaxation technique where you tense muscles and then relax them. I found it worked very well. Then I just lay still and went to sleep, paying attention to any random thoughts that flew through my mind and bringing myself back to full consciousness when it happened. Eventually I drifted off into an hypnagogic scenario where I was on a mattress in the middle of my room, instead of in my bed. I snapped back to awareness and found myself in SP. I was right on the edge of falling asleep when I came back to full awareness, I think it was the 2 hours of being awake that helped me do that. From that point I just waited. I started to hear a pinging sound, followed by explosions. Then a massive explosion that made my ears ring and I felt my body drifting downwards and shifting into a different position. When it stopped I opened my eyes and was in a dream.
I think my problem previously has been falling asleep, I try too hard to maintain awareness that my body can't go to sleep. I think the 2 hours of staying awake helped that as I could go to sleep normally, yet my mind was now awake enough that I could catch myself before going all the way. I'm going to keep trying this and see what happens.
Your success stories inspire me :D
I just tried again, at roughly 6:00pm. I was fairly tired last night from trying to WILD, and I thought: "What harm could it do?"
So I lay down on my bed and waited.
I started focusing on my breaths, thinking gently to myself: "In... out..." I tried to relax as much as I could. Had no problems with scratching or feeling uncomfortable, however, I did notice myself starting to drift of to sleep, and had to catch myself, whereupon my limbs would invoulantary jerk. After a while of trying, I woke to the sound of "Tea's ready" and couldn't remember my dream. Probably because I jumped up straight away and walked away.
Ah well. There's still tonight. I'll try your way tomorrow night Hiros.
Oh and before I forget, I did start seing strange fluttery things, kind of like those little fairys from zelda in my view. Thinking they may have been some kind of HP I tried to ignore them, and I suddenly started feeling disoriented and it looked like someone was tipping rainbow colored paint out of buckets onto me. Feeling like I was spinning. Anyway. I still ignored this and continued focusing on breathing, not getting over excited, and all of a sudden, it stopped and I was just seing black.
Frustrating much?
I have only really had one WILD and it was more of a visualization. WILDing is very frustrating...
It's not so much a method, since I've only done it once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scar21
But I tried it again this morning and didn't quite get there, I came very close though. The closest I've ever been without succeeding. I think this is the process for me to try, everyone is different though.
Despite failing at the WILD, I then had a nice long DILD, bloody brilliant.
Speaking of frustrating.
I came so close last night. I drank a lot of coke before hand, and it made it hard to stick to my determined bedtime of 10. I ended up getting some shuteye at 12, and I reset my alarm to 4:30.
So I get up at 4:30 and do my usual thing. I go, with my doona and lie on the couch in the supine position. I get comfortable and then close my eyes and repeat to myself: "Soon I will be dreaming, and then I will roll into the dream.".
After a while the back of my hand feels unbearably itchy. I ignore it, because it's my body testing my mind, and after a wile it seems to go away, and my hands go numb. I then feel a wave of energy come from my chest and I feel lighter, like I was drifting away.
Then I start to see some slight HP imagery, and my hearing starts to buzz. But soon the buzzing turns to an unbelievably loud roar and this scares me, due to it not being expected. Then it all stops, and my hands feel normal. I lie there for another 10 minutes before realizing that it probably will only happen once, and I go to bed, and get this...
I DREAM ABOUT LUCID DREAMING
That's right. I do all these things, like having invisible springs on my feet, moving things with my mind, all without becoming lucid.
...
Ah well.
There's always tonight. And I seem to be getting closer every night. How much closer can I get than that without actually becoming lucid?
When the roaring stopped and you felt normal did you check if you were dreaming?
For me, I heard pinging sounds and then explosions, I felt my body drifting and then when it all stopped I was in a dream and just opened my eyes and got out of bed.
If you were still awake, it was probably the roaring sound that shocked you out of it. Almost happened to me too with the explosions. My first instinct was to jump up and look around, I resisted and remained calm.
My first and second WILD a few weeks back had no signs at all. I didn't drift, see or hear anything. In the first one I just did a nose RC after I gave up and found I was dreaming already. In the second one I gave up and went to move and found my dream body moving instead while I could still feel my real body remaining still, I waited a bit and it solidified and the feeling of my real body disappeared. So sometimes you might get signs like this, and other times you won't, so its best to always make sure your not dreaming already before you give up :D
Hiros, I had a few WILD attempts where I would feel extremely strong vibrations for a few seconds, then they would all stop and I would feel my body sinking back into my sleeping position. It was almost as though I had two bodies and the dream body was sinking into the real one. Is that like what you felt? Or did you feel that you were sinking into a different position? Like through the bed or something?
I'm almost positive I was awake after that happened, so if I was dreaming it was entirely more real than real. But I will be so mad if I was actually dreaming and just spent the time laying there still trying to WILD.
When I was hearing the explosions, it felt like my body was drifting free of the bed and morphing into a different position. I was lying on my stomach in reality, but ended up on my back in the dream. Probably because I've always been attempting to WILD on my back until now and my mind was used to that. It felt very strange and was completely unmistakable. But if I hadn't morphed into a different position I probably would have thought I was still awake.Quote:
Originally Posted by unseen wombat
Hm, mine was like I was a little above my body and was sinking back into the original position that I started in. Or, it was like even though I wasn't moving, I was sinking. It's kinda of hard to describe, but I know when it happens.
Maybe I was dreaming. Wouldn't that be something? I really hope it is, because it's unmistakable when I feel the sinking feeling, and I've gotten it the last three times I've tried. This weekend, I'm going to move right after I feel that. I will be shocked if I'm dreaming. Totally more real than real.