When you open a box, you should also close it ...

I readed an article from Slovak Esoteric, who said, that, there are two kinds of sleep.

1. Human sleep
2. Animal sleep

Human sleep is characterised by lack of recall and consistent sleep schedule. In human sleep, dreamworld and waking world are occupying two distinct times of day (day and night). And they are separated .

Animal sleep could be characterised with unregular sleep. Pretty light sleep. And well dream and waking world are partially overlapped.

He also expressed, that making lots of wild and other ILD attempts, when we are trying to bring awareness into a dream. Also a part of dream world enters our waking life. So we are getting slowly getting used to Animal sleep.

We often sleep longer, and our fantasies are moving into real world.
He also warned us before the consequencies of animal sleep. And wrote that if we do some attempts, we should also compensate against them.

So if we work with dream mind, we should learn the means how to move back into waking state. Its probably the same as with all meditation states, if we do want to have them under control.

So:

Whenever we open the box, we should also close it

And this is what made me wonder actually, if we are not doing something wrong. There are lots of people, who became light sleepers (count me in), and were pretty heavy ones. There are lots of insomniacs there. Who werent before learning LD. We really should compensate.

Any comments on this?

P.S: I cannot provide you the real text, becouse it is provided only in slovak, but you may ask if you dont understand something and i might search and translate for you. Hope this will be an interesting discussion.

I was already an insomniac so I don't think it will make it worse, or at least I hope not.

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Originally Posted by kingofclutch

I was already an insomniac so I don't think it will make it worse, or at least I hope not.

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:D. Hopefully not.

I see what he's getting at. All this interrupted sleep surely can't be good for us.

But look at all the LD masters here. They've been practicing for years, and have had hundreds of LD's. They don't seem to be affected all too much. I think it's not as bad as it sounds, but it definitely has some repercussions.

I have actually become more focused on falling asleep.

However, I haven't gone lucid yet, so...I dunno.

This certianly a good question though...to what degree does lucid dreaming change our sleep schedules...

From my latest observations i found out, that our subconscious has some ways, how to compensate on its own. Reality checks stop working, we suddenly cannot remember dreams. We have dryspells. Maybe that are the forms of compensation against any change we try to establish in our sleep schedule. Maybe that is the reason, why we actually need a lot of time to learn lucid dreaming. Maybe that are the reasons why we sometimes must let go.

This guy who wrote the article, does he actually lucid dream himself, or is he just making random assumptions? I don't really understand, why would you want to compensate? When you lucid dream, you are sleeping too.. whats there to compensate?

And afaik, when you meditate, you're supposed to try and stay in that state forever and not go back..

I don't think that L.Ds affect sleep time, i dont have mutch experience to talk about this but when i was little i was very often accidentaly becoming lucid with a little dream control (sometimes) , i never tried to do it by force , i didnt knew what L.D was but i never had a hard time to fall asleep , the important think is that if i was becoming lucid without any practice that means that the L.D is a natural thing witch it dosent have a bad affect on mind ,the only reason i believe that we cant L.D when we becoming older is the presure and the stress of our lives .

Sorry. Maybe I didnt express it as accurately. There is no need to compensate against LD itself, but against the techniques we use to induce them. They often might have many side effects.

So there is no need to worry about natural LD, but about LD techniques we use to induce them. We are playing with subconsciousness. :D

Thanx for interesting reactions.

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Originally Posted by Sean999

I see what he's getting at. All this interrupted sleep surely can't be good for us.

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I suppose so, but from what I've understood everyone wakes up multiple times a night after a dream ends already, but you fall asleep very quickly after so you don't remember most of the times.

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Originally Posted by Iamerik

I suppose so, but from what I've understood everyone wakes up multiple times a night after a dream ends already, but you fall asleep very quickly after so you don't remember most of the times.

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Good point. But induction techniques take their time and we are discrupting sleep schedule. Still I dont take this as a major problem, if there are periods of uninterupted sleep inbetween.

I am still a heavy sleeper. My alarm clock doesn't even work but if you touch me I will spring up. I scared the shit out of my mom once. :lol:

Adraw, when you have time, could you elaborate on the difference between Human and Animal sleep? Are you assuming Animal sleep is a bad thing? What would the consequences be if we switched to Animal sleep?

I used to keep a sleeping schedule similar to Uberman/Everyman. I would sleep in only short naps throughout the day. It felt very healthy to me, and I noticed my thinking was sharper, my days more active and fulfilling.

Is it the lack of sleep you are worried about, or the change in our brains when we start to place importance on our dreams? I would agree that there are definitely psycological side effects of lucid dreaming. I see them all as being positive.