PLease Some one Do you think you can help....

I've dream lucidly since i was young but got much better with not waking up as i got older....
around nine i was able to start change things in my dream that would help me through my nightmares though i prefer to let things run naturally....
BUT....
here the weird part i don't know if anyone has this problem too....
there is one thing in my dreams i have NO control over....
A man...
and i've seen him in my dream since i was old enough to remember my first dream...
i was about 5...
he is the one thing in my dreams that i have no control over an odder still he has control over things in my dreams as well......
i've heard people say many things ....but i don't know i was hopeing someone could help...

At first i was going to say that there's a possiblity it was just another dreamer hanging around, but you said that it can control things in your dreams to so it sounds like your dream guide to me. Also it could just be your subconcious manifesting itself or something like that. I'm leaning towards more to the idea of the dream guide though.

Dream guide.....
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I get it but i don't believe it
i was more willing to go with the someone messing with my dreams....
i only gave you parts of the story.....
if you wanna know it in full...i'll tell you but it might take a few paragraph to explain

Well i dunno, last time i checked, other dreamers are not supposed to have control at all in YOUR dream. It's like someone going into uncharted territory, there not going to know what the hell they are doing. Im willing to hear the whole story if you want...

Oddly enough, I've had a girl in my dreams appearing every once in a while since I was about 5. In fact, ever since I moved to Canada. Is your birth year 1986 by anychance?

It's vague, but I've been seeing different visions of a girl, blonde hair, green eyes i think, looks like an angel. Aswell I feel that I've known her from a time before time. Yet at the end of every dream with her, it becomes more of a blur.


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I also once had a recurring dream with Penny the Clown who kept control my dreams and fears. In the end though I kicked the crap out of him and he didn't bother me no more. 8)

i was about 5 when i first saw him in my dream but at the time i could only see his eyes...
they bugged me and i tried to make them go away when they didn't i was uneasy but ...mentally thought looking couldn't hurt....

I i got older he because far bolder in my dreams but still hiding him self
it took me till i was 14 to get him to show me his face
this is the dream
I'm standing in the most beautiful place i've ever seen It's a valley full of flowers, trees and just life in general when i breathed i felt the life of it all.
And I knew it felt me.
I walked up to the pond and as I walked I was greeted by people I knew but I've never met before and i was happy to see them, because it felt like it had been a long time since I had.
I finally reached the small pond next to a willow tree and something felt odd i felt the precence of death and i looked into the pond. I had no refelection
A tear fell and made a ripple in the pond i turned and walked to the tree and held out my hand to touch it and when i did Something like a shock wave happened everything lost colour the tree turn to ash before me the people faded turning to dust all around me and the only thing left was the pond and that was as black as the rest.
I stared at it for a long time untill i felt as black and empty as it looked then i felt some one hold me and they told me that in the darkness was always light and all i had to do was look for it and i'd be ok.
Suddenly i saw the night sky above me and all the little stars that where there an i felt ok
I asked if i could see him and he told me even if i did i'd never remember what he looked like when i woke up... so i turned around and i know i smiled when i saw him and i woke up.

there are many more the last few have been alarmingly real and i've had no control over them...

Last Night dream..
Well I was back in the forest standing on the pond alone..... looking around...
the trees were dark and the night sky was still out...
the moon was still bright and full
I noticed that I was sinking into the water and I saw him coming towards me.
I noticed the water ripple I wasn't scare I was calm and peaceful...
the water engulfed me and I saw him watching me looking down at me he had a blank look on his face....
I can feel the water move of it's own accord around me making me twirl and tumble....
I notice i'm in a skirt again....(i don't normally wear them...)
I'm far away from the surfface but the water is still bright around me...
I can see it moving I can't breath and I feel my self letting go..
on the surfface I see him looking at me I think he's smiling...
I feel the water cacoon me and it goes dark....
I'm in the dark again....the light around me....it's quiet... empty...
I'm wet... soaking wet...looking at memory's that float by things from my child hood but i'm not seeing them right i never see them right...it looks like I'm another person seeing them....watching myself learn to swim.... riding a bike.....cross the road...my first bully....cut knee....
he comes out of the shadows and then i see something odd the memory changes ....the only memory i have were I'm not looking from the out side
( this is how i remember my memories in real life I see them from a distance...)
I"m on the swing at my grandmother house and i'm swing by myself for the first time... and my grandmother and grandfather and i think my father are watching me swing.....And i remember being the happiest in my life in that one momemt....
he stood behind me....
he spoke "I gave you that moment...
were you could see through your own eyes
close enough to reach the sky....
but just out of reach ....
you were your happiest just trying....
to get close to the star...to the moon....to your heart....
don't forget that feeling your going to need it..."
he brushed my cheek with his hand and kissed it....
"always remember..." he whispered....

this sound messed up i know but ..It's F ing fustrating.....
the dream before this was so odd i actually shot to the end of te bed cuz i thought he was next to me.....
I control my dreams when i think or feel to overwhelmd by thing but i normally let them go...but now ever when i try to take control away from him i can't...

1985....

:? ......... Last question I promise. Do you have blonde hair??

dirty blonde hair....
hazel eyes...birth day september 4

wow...i have to tell ya...those dreams are deep and a little freaky(especially that guy).

Ill try my best. Honestly, i dont think this guy is evil. He sounds indifferent(he is by no means the stereotypical goody goody hero). It sounds like this guy is testing you, probably making you ready for something big thats going to happen. Or maybe he's trying to tell you something about yourself, something quite important about yourself or someone close to you. That last part, where he told you that tip/warning sounded like he was trying to well, warn you for something and preparing you for something. I know that sounds mushy, but meh. If you would like go to the chat room right now. A number of us are discussing about this right now

Another dream.....for a while ago..

I was back in the dark once again
I was walking on the void which was like floor only you couldn"t feel it under you feet (oh and i am bare foot)
As i'm pacing in the darkness i notice i seem to be the only thing giving off any time of light.
I step and look around and then he's there (This man has been in all of my dreams since childhood age 5)
i know he's there but he's like the shadows part of them born form them....
he's starts saying that even in darkness there is light that they are one and the same,
born apart but forever one...
suddenly i feel i'm being split apart ripped apart at my very core.
then i see them my light fade away and before me are the one that make me 2 women and a child.
The one woman has long black hair and deep green eyes and tanned skin,
The other woman has long white hair pale skin and stormy blue grey eyes both seem to be in the 20 to 30 range...
then the child is smileing at me she was dressd in all grey and held a small stuffed bear....
Her eye where like oceans and her skin was pale her hair was a mouse-ish brown colour
they all came together the child infornt and the to women behind, and then i was staring at myself, at the light that surrounded me, I felt nothing....(Meaning Nothing at all)
He stepped forward still in shadow and touched me and whispered to me
"Mine....."
The force of the one word sent me flying to the end of my bed in a whole world wind of emotions it sounded so real that i thought he was next to me....it felt like he was next to me....
it took me an hour to calm down...even now it still feel the power in his voice

Wow that's some weird powerful stuff. I'm confused about your lack of control when he's in your dreams. Do you just not realize you're in a dream or are you like just flowing with the dream and can't break free like it's a film?

If you're a lucid natural I figure you could just tell him to 'go away' or 'get out' to take your dream back. This guy seems like a perfect dream sign too, every time you see him you must be dreaming.

Try telling him to "go away" or "get out". I'm sure with practice and will power you can take all your dreams back. On a side note, I'm one day younger than you :wink:

I don't mean to pry but could he be [manifested by/linked to] male figure(s) in your real life? or lack there of.

have you asked him what he wants, and why he's there?

you should try summoning him in a lucid dream, maybe that way you'll know when to expect him, and can do whatever you've planned.

perhaps you should just talk to him. Embrace him and look at him as he is a part of yourself that you should love. that is if you're lucid.

i think that because you've seen him as powerful and important for so long, like he is something that you have no control over, now you expect it so much that he is very powerful to you. If you can think of him as a part of yourself that needs to be loved as something that has a purpose, not as something that is malicious, then perhaps he'll fulill whatever role he has.

hope this helps.

holy crap. anyway you know how he mentioned that light and dark. there is some truth to that that i believe.

"Where there is light, there is darkness. One cannot live without the other"

This sounds like some very DEEP stuff about you. You probably should get someone proffessional to talk to and i really think you should tell your parents about him if you haven't already have. If you have what did they say.

That splitting image of those 3 people i guess obviously represents different sides of you/personality. I have no idea what he means when he says "Mine..."

Im going to have to disagree with ironlung(trying to make him forcibly go away might make it worse) and and agree with muse.v DONT be afraid of him anymore, embrace him as a part of yourself, show your love etc etc. Tonight go give him a hug. I mean you honestly have nothing to lose. I want to see how he would react to love.

The would be No point to calling him when i dream he is there .....
It's not that i don't like him there we talk when he's willing to share things....
he is not someone who is summoned...and as for sending him away i've tired....
I'm not new to lucid dreaming...i've been able to since i was very youg and i've gotten better when i get older...
I give no one power to freely control me........when i say i have done everything in my power to pervent him from controling my dreams as he wishes...which isn't often that he does.....i mean it....

Night Owl as for telling my parents about him .....they are not INTO the kinda things i am and it would be a grave error in believeing that...would be the best course of action.....

as for the mine comment.......i'm unsure of what it means..but have small clues...as of recently.......
anyone have questions or help please feel free to reach me at any time....i have MSn.......
and am more than willing to listen....thanks...

What does he share with you? Do you think you can try that hug thing? I just want to see what his reaction would be.

Im sorry to hear that your parents arent interested in your dreams. How do you think they would react when you tell them your having troubles within your dreams, possibly psychological troubles.

Hug?????

you have no idea.......
He reacts the same way i he always does when i hug him......he hugs back....some times giving me a kiss on the cheek........
you think that i haven't hugged him?
i inteact with everything/one in my dreams...
most importantly him......I treat my dreams as my home.....when some one enters they are welcome to stay so long as they cause me no problems or grief..or harm... in the dream.....as soon as they do i send them away......

AGAIN....I state that i don't mind him there i just dont' want him controling my dreams.......
as well I'm not in need of mental help....
and what would i say.....
Hi A shit load of messed up stuff your never gonna believe has happened to me and i'm here to explain ...so you can...send me to a phyic ward????
Because if i told my parent (NOT BELIEVERS IN THE PARANORMAL)
of all the stuff that's happened to me......that's what would happen.......
sorry... i like my freedom i think i'll keep it for a little while longer.....
and as for the Man in my dreams whom i've call Saph....
To People have met him....
my friend D met him a week before....he past away.....
J said she's seen him.....but won't tell me what he said to her....
I wanna be crazy some times that make more sence to me some times....
I'm tired i need a nap....

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Originally posted by nightowl

Im sorry to hear that your parents arent interested in your dreams. How do you think they would react when you tell them your having troubles within your dreams, possibly psychological troubles.

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Not all parents understand. :|

:undecided: alright...i understand the parent thing...sorry :P

i find it strange that your friend wont tell you what he said to you. whats her reason for refusing to tell you?

i see now...ok..you might 'anger' him, but try to battle him for control then(punch him, throw projectiles, whatever) IF you want to. To be honest, i have no idea what the hell he is or how the hell he has all this power or whats his reason for being there everytime.

this is slightly weird, but i'm still a firm believer of everything in your dreams being made from yourself, your own expectations, beliefs, fears, and thoughts.

You say you're friends have seen him? perhaps they have had the same nightmare as you if you've been talking about him. I expect that he was different for your friends.. not the real saph?

when i say 'love him' i dont mean that you should love him, because perhaps your problem is treating him as all powerful, so its not something you should 'worship.' Just try to think of him as simply an element of you...

he has to have some reason to be there, even if its just because you're worried that he will control your dreams. If you expect him to be there, and you expect him to be controlling stuff, then he will. you're The one giving him the power.

Perhaps you have worries in life, like a fear of being unable influence your surroundings. you need to let him teach you whatever it is that needs to be taught.

maybe the reason is you looking down on yourself, like you're too easy to control, or you're not on the same level. if this is the case, you should try to think of yourself as equal to him. Make him respect you by having respect for yourself.

perhaps this sounds irrelivent to you, but i think it could work. you need to find out what your problem is, and then let it go, and let him go by loving him for being part of you and showing you whats wrong.

still, this is basically just my opinion. I hope some of this stuff will work for you. Please tell me what you think.

I forgot to say but...have you ever asked what he wants from you? what his purpose is?

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Originally posted by Lex
I've dream lucidly since i was young but got much better with not waking up as i got older....
around nine i was able to start change things in my dream that would help me through my nightmares though i prefer to let things run naturally....
BUT....
here the weird part i don't know if anyone has this problem too....
there is one thing in my dreams i have NO control over....
A man...
and i've seen him in my dream since i was old enough to remember my first dream...
i was about 5...
he is the one thing in my dreams that i have no control over an odder still he has control over things in my dreams as well......
i've heard people say many things ....but i don't know i was hopeing someone could help...

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In my opinion Since you grew up thinking he had more power then you you are unable to relax or change that mind set enough to alter this man. perhaps it was formed simply by a intamacy twoards males... perhaps you don't want to alter what he dose. I like to think of it logically like this since I can't bring myself to believe the chance of another dreamer. From the information given I believe he is only in a more scattered ammount of dreams yes? What I mean is you havea similar dream every month or two? and you remember it from when you were 5? I have had similar experiences with ....certain places... And I think you may be over reacting; on the other side this is quite odd from what I've read. Don't take it to seriously though and just have fun ;)

I agree with Gestaltalteration, truthfully, I think you should put your paranormal beliefs aside. I'm not saying I don't believe it is possible that your having a paranormal experience, but I find that seeing things from a paranormal perspective actually complicates things in the long run. It makes it more difficult to find a solution. Personally, I believe I've seen real angels, devils and aliens, etc, but at the end of the day I always look at the dream as being a dream. I think you should to, it might help you in the long run.

I don't think you'll find a quick fix solution to your problem. When you do find the solution, when you start applying that solution; remember that you may not see satisfactory results right away. It may take some time before you see the results your looking for. Remember patience is a virtue.

It seems that the archetype, Saph, it seems he isn't taking the time to be sensitive to your emotions.

Your dreams are full of life and beauty. In one dream you said that while being amidst that life you felt the presence of death. You also mentioned that in the pond you had no reflection. I don't mean to be insulting, but is it possible that the dream is protecting you from yourself. Not having a reflection is usually synonymous with vampirism. Vampires are a universal symbol which we all can identify with. In vampire mythology the vampire isn't able to see his own reflection because he feels guilt. He is afraid to see his reflection because if he does he will see the truth of his own nature and that truth will devastate him, maybe even destroy him. This is the same reason why vampires can't go out into the sunlight. The vampire hides in the darkness in order to hid from the truth. In the darkness you can't see anything, including the truth. Once in the sunlight the vampire is forced to confront the truth of his nature and it is that truth that destroys him. It's possible that there is a truth about yourself that you choose not to see. This truth may be killing a part of you. Is it possible that you feel guilty about something you are doing or not dong?

You said,

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\"A tear fell and made a ripple in the pond i turned and walked to the tree and held out my hand to touch it and when i did Something like a shock wave happened everything lost colour the tree turn to ash before me the people faded turning to dust all around me and the only thing left was the pond and that was as black as the rest.\"

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Trees, to me, stand for life. To be more specific, they represent the Tree of Life. It seems that like a vampire you carry death. This death may be promoted by your guilt. This is why your touch essentially killed the tree and everything else around you. Vampires are just another archetype you find in dreams. They represent spiritual death. This guilt is killing some part of you and threatens the beautiful world that you so cherish.

Vampires kill humans because they are insensitive to other people's feelings. Humans do not kill other humans because they are humane. Note that not all people who look human is human. People who are humane try to be sensitive to how other people feel. It may be possible that you are neglecting other people's feelings. We all do it sometimes. The question is whether you are doing this purposely or inadvertently. Maybe this coldness gives you a feeling of control in certain situations or at least a part of you believes you will gain some level of control in certain situations, but at the same time this coldness is making you feel guilty. This is why you have been feeling this lack of control in your dreams. There are a few other interpretations, but it would take awhile to get into them all.

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\"I stared at it for a long time untill i felt as black and empty as it looked then i felt some one hold me and they told me that in the darkness was always light and all i had to do was look for it and i'd be ok.\"

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I think this part of the dream is telling you that even though death has infiltrated your being, do not despair because there is always hope.

The blackness of the pond may represent the impurity.

In one part of the dream you said:

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\"...the only thing left was the pond and that was as black as the rest.
I stared at it for a long time untill i felt as black and empty as it looked then i felt some one hold me and they told me that in the darkness was always light and all i had to do was look for it and i'd be ok.\"

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\"See no evil, speak no evil hear no evil\", it is a phrase you should take into heart. You should never look too deeply into the darkness or else the darkness will consume you. Many people believe that knowledge is power, this is only partially true. Knowledge in moderation is power, but too much knowledge of anything, especially knowledge of evil is deadly. In the dream you seemed to be allowing yourself to focus too much on this corrupted pond. Somehow the pond began to consume you and this person saved you by bringing you back. He helped you to focus on the positive, pure aspects of your dream. This may be what's happening in your life. Maybe something in lie is tempting you away from what you know is right. The longer you dwell on this something the more it becomes a part of you.


Also, in the next dream, you say

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\"I gave you that moment...
were you could see through your own eyes
close enough to reach the sky....
but just out of reach ....
you were your happiest just trying....
to get close to the star...to the moon....to your heart....
don't forget that feeling your going to need it...\"

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This is his way of telling you that it is happiness that makes us strong and it is despair that destroys us. In order to defeat the darkness you must remember those things that make you happy and give you hope.

Evil is designed to be a distraction, drawing you away from what is really important, the good in the world. It is knowledge of the good in the world that makes us stronger, not knowledge of the evil. That is what \"see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil\" represents, it is about not letting the evil in the world consume you. If you let it, evil will hypnosis you. Always be weary and vigilant against evil. Evil exists and you must never forget that, but never let that knowledge of evil consume you.

In a next dream you said that saph said the word, \"mine\". Maybe the word mine reflects a form of selfishness or greed.


Truthfully, I think this guy is an angel. Saph may be a play on the word sephiroth.

I know how negative this must sound, and I in no way mean to be so derogative. What is written here is a reflection of my personality.

Ultimately, if you want to gain control of your dream you must change some aspect of your personality. I know this is easier said then done. When I lost control of my dreams, at some point I realized that I had to sacrifice the traits that made me appear and feel strong. I had to sacrifice traits that made me feel good. Basically I had abandon my pride and humble myself on a level that was very unappealing. I didn't want to do this, but as it turned out doing this was the right decision. I didn't realize it, but the traits I had embraced had somehow been hurting a part of myself. I look back and I realize I am partially grateful that the dreams took the time to reveal this aspect of my personality to myself. Of course I would have preferred If the dreams found a more constructive less hurtful way of doing this, but in the long run I know what they did was for the best.

I have more advice, but truthfully I'd need a book to write it all in. :) If you need more help just ask.[/quote]

Lex, listen to dreamcaster..she is very wise

Thanks :bigteeth: , but I'm a guy :mad: