Project Tyler Durden

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Originally Posted by Patrickstar12

All Im saying is I dont find the reason why you would have to be someone you "wish" you were in your LDs. I like LDing its fun to me, not a place where I try and be a completely different person. I like who I am thats all :)

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You're still missing the point. Read Arby's thread slowly and carefully.

I think you got lost at the part about having someone to look up to...

That's not what it should be, if I got it right.. More like, a door into your real self.
Since most people usually never act as their real self, they most likely won't get to know their real self. This is why having that person in your dream, and getting to know it, will help you become yourself.

It's not about pretending to be somebody else, it's about being you.

Also, could this be like a Create-A-Dream-Guide technique? :P

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Originally Posted by Shift

You're still missing the point. Read Arby's thread slowly and carefully.

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You're just going to have to spell it out...

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Originally Posted by Maeni

Also, could this be like a Create-A-Dream-Guide technique? :P

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Interesting prospect.

Care to try it out? ;P

Ofcourse, I have loads of stuff I want to try out, problem is that I've still not achieved the skill to become Lucid when I want ;_;


And remembering my dreams is also a problem right now, so it'll probably have to wait a bit sadly :(

Ah, that would be a problem

So you're basically saying that your dream self isn't you, but your personal Tyler Durden. Maybe this is true, but how would you apply this to lucid dreaming.
When you're lucid, you should have full knowledge of your waking life and such...

I think summoning your subconscious and saying "make me confident and awesome" would be easier XD

It doesn't work like that. You can't summon yourself and say to yourself: make me confident and awesome. And then make yourself confident and awesome.

YOU are the 'subcon', you are the dream. There is no subconscious, there is no dream, it's all YOU. Nothing but you.
Just pointing out.

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Originally Posted by Shift

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site.

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Heh, and they made you a moderator... you should exile yourself to the Beyond Dreaming forum for a day for being so arrogant lately.

I am going to answer the question you pose in your sig. So everything I am about to say is in reference to that.

1) What most people describe as "me" or conscious thought is nothing more than the byproduct of the brain processing information. It's an illusionary simulation, and a bad one at that considering it lags 0.5 seconds behind reality. (The amount of time it takes your brain to create a conscious thought)

2) The amount of information exposed in your conscious thought is rediculously small compared to the total processing power available to your brain. Depending on the source you quote (these are educated estimates after all, and will vary by individual) conscious attention is somewhere around 16 to 50 bits/ second for some activity, such as reading dream views (depending on which argument you like). Now compare this to the awe of (more varying estimates) 10,000,000 bits/s for eyes, 100,000 for ears, 1,000,000 for skin, 1,000 for taste and 100,000 for smell.

Saying you are able to tell that something is "real" when what it is to "you" is nothing more than a generated illusion from a 1/2 second ago is rediculous enough. But to insist it is accurate, verifiable and relatable to others when what you are getting is far less than a miniscule fraction of the real "reality", further processed and exformated into another less than miniscule fraction of presented information to your conscious thought is sheer stupidity and arrogance.

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Originally Posted by OrionStyles

Heh, and they made you a moderator... you should exile yourself to the Beyond Dreaming forum for a day for being so arrogant lately.

I am going to answer the question you pose in your sig. So everything I am about to say is in reference to that.

1) What most people describe as "me" or conscious thought is nothing more than the byproduct of the brain processing information. It's an illusionary simulation, and a bad one at that considering it lags 0.5 seconds behind reality. (The amount of time it takes your brain to create a conscious thought)

2) The amount of information exposed in your conscious thought is rediculously small compared to the total processing power available to your brain. Depending on the source you quote (these are educated estimates after all, and will vary by individual) conscious attention is somewhere around 16 to 50 bits/ second for some activity, such as reading dream views (depending on which argument you like). Now compare this to the awe of (more varying estimates) 10,000,000 bits/s for eyes, 100,000 for ears, 1,000,000 for skin, 1,000 for taste and 100,000 for smell.

Saying you are able to tell that something is "real" when what it is to "you" is nothing more than a generated illusion from a 1/2 second ago is rediculous enough. But to insist it is accurate, verifiable and relatable to others when what you are getting is far less than a miniscule fraction of the real "reality", further processed and exformated into another less than miniscule fraction of presented information to your conscious thought is sheer stupidity and arrogance.

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Please do not spam threads; responses should be kept on topic with the original post.

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YOU are the 'subcon', you are the dream. There is no subconscious, there is no dream, it's all YOU. Nothing but you.
Just pointing out.

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You mean, changing your personality is actually easier? I had no idea, so I used a mirror image of myself ;x

For some reason all this reminds me of the episode "Back to Reality" in Red Dwarf.

"Dwayne Dibley?"

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Originally Posted by Shift

Please do not spam threads; responses should be kept on topic with the original post.

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1) I am being OrionStyles as described in this thread.
2) Spamming the thread insisting that I am spamming when you could have sent a PM is juvenile. Especially since this thread was derailed by you in the 1st place with your snide comments.
3) You suck, get bent, read some more etc... :D

Argument over, moving along.

Along with an ideal persona (Amethyst), I'm also aware of an antagonist (Nix). If Ame would show up more often, I wouldn't mind being/watching her, but there is another side of me who does not come out but I still know it's there. I'd rather not call for one and have the other appear.

But at the same time, I do believe that dreams can tell us a bit about who we are if we look in the right places. It would be an interesting experiment to try and isolate the "narrator" of the dream aside from my own thoughts, or even to attempt to permit an alternate persona to take on the narrator role.

Hmm...

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Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

Argument over, moving along.

Along with an ideal persona (Amethyst), I'm also aware of an antagonist (Nix). If Ame would show up more often, I wouldn't mind being/watching her, but there is another side of me who does not come out but I still know it's there. I'd rather not call for one and have the other appear.

But at the same time, I do believe that dreams can tell us a bit about who we are if we look in the right places. It would be an interesting experiment to try and isolate the "narrator" of the dream aside from my own thoughts, or even to attempt to permit an alternate persona to take on the narrator role.

Hmm...

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Hmm... interesting...

I think that it would be just as important if not more so to learn about nix as ame. If you feel there is an antagonist or non-ideal side of you, shouldn't you wish to face it? Or at least study it to discern it's true nature and then perhaps rid yourself of it forever?

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Originally Posted by arby

I think that it would be just as important if not more so to learn about nix as ame. If you feel there is an antagonist or non-ideal side of you, shouldn't you wish to face it? Or at least study it to discern it's true nature and then perhaps rid yourself of it forever?

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My emotions would prefer to side with Ame and leave Nix in a cage, but there is part of me who wants to poke and prod at the villain. I wonder if it's even possible to rid yourself of a part of your persona, but you make me think that by examining Nix, I would better recognize its influence when it does show up.

I think I'll get to know Ame a bit better before I get too close to Nix. Two versus one is much better odds :)

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Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

I wonder if it's even possible to rid yourself of a part of your persona,

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Yes, simply drink the proper proportion of lead paint to do appropriate brain dammage, and the persona will go away.. at least in your mind. Disclaimer: This is not an exact science. :)

Otherwise, it's something along the lines of "Try as you might, you cannot forget what a triangle is"... or, the persona is there even if it doesn't appear it is. It will come back once you reinforce the neural connections again.

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Originally Posted by OrionStyles

Yes, simply drink the proper proportion of lead paint to do appropriate brain dammage, and the persona will go away.. at least in your mind. Disclaimer: This is not an exact science. :)

Otherwise, it's something along the lines of "Try as you might, you cannot forget what a triangle is"... or, the persona is there even if it doesn't appear it is. It will come back once you reinforce the neural connections again.

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You have enough inhibitory neurons to stop yourself from doing essentially anything. The only problem is, what is it that you really wish to avoid becoming and, how to recognize it easily.

Oh, and please get out of my thread. Thanks.

I like the sound of Project Tyler Durden. I want to participate as Verum (means the Truth in latin).

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Originally Posted by WolfeDreamer531

I like the sound of Project Tyler Durden. I want to participate as Verum (means the Truth in latin).

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Haha, classy.