Lucid Games?

Wouldn't it be cool if a "ringmaster" (can't think of a better name, sorry) was running a "lucid game", such as a real-life game of Team Fortress 2, or any other type of game. People would just come to the 'ringmaster' and sign their name/username on a "dream detector" (i.e. There would be a light next to each person's signage, green means lucid, ready to go, yellow means dreaming, but not lucid, red means asleep, but currently not dreaming. Light off means awake.) Once the detector had enough names, a message would be set out to all the people that signed up, telling them that the game was ready to go, and to get to the 'ringmaster'. Then he would start the game.

Sorry about the text wall, hope you all can understand that :P

Games actually used to be one of my dreamsigns. Every dream was a game, ranging from, yes, real life TF2 to playing checkers. What you've suggested seems unattainable until we figure out how to hook the human brain up to a computer.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

Games actually used to be one of my dreamsigns. Every dream was a game, ranging from, yes, real life TF2 to playing checkers. What you've suggested seems unattainable until we figure out how to hook the human brain up to a computer.

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Spoiler for click:

http://wintersstudio.com/db1/00023/w...magination.jpg

Isn't the imagination the foundation of dream control?

Noogah, that spoiler almost crashed Firefox. You could have at least made it smaller.

Conkt is right, you need to be able to do this game thing unless you hook the human brain up to a computer.

With a few very experienced dreamers, you could do this with shared dreams.

Shared dreams? I don't think those are possible. Has anyone successfully done one?

If you look around, there's a lot of people on DV who have had them. Lurk around the beyond dreaming forum for a bit.

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Originally Posted by Fabio-the-dreamer

If you look around, there's a lot of people on DV who have had them. Lurk around the beyond dreaming forum for a bit.

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Wrong. there's a lot of people on DV who have claimed to had them. They have no backing, nor have they every been scientifically backed. It is extremely unlikely that they are real. People have always been making things up about dreams without any proof (every dream is a wish fulfillment, dreams are signs from "god.") Rather than say "I don't know", must people just make things up. I find it sad that a forum dedicated to exploring dreams and learning more about this fascinating state of mind would foster such silly and primitive concepts.[/Rage]

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Originally Posted by Sinani201

Noogah, that spoiler almost crashed Firefox. You could have at least made it smaller.

Conkt is right, you need to be able to do this game thing unless you hook the human brain up to a computer.

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Double post because I can. The brain isn't hooked up to a computer, the computer is just scanning the brain. 1-way, not 2-way. The computer needs to send information to the brain and vice-versa for this to work, but what you posted is a step towards this type of technology.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

Wrong. there's a lot of people on DV who have claimed to had them. They have no backing, nor have they every been scientifically backed. It is extremely unlikely that they are real. People have always been making things up about dreams without any proof (every dream is a wish fulfillment, dreams are signs from "god.") Rather than say "I don't know", must people just make things up. I find it sad that a forum dedicated to exploring dreams and learning more about this fascinating state of mind would foster such silly and primitive concepts.[/Rage]

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Can you PROVE they haven't had them?

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Originally Posted by Fabio-the-dreamer

Can you PROVE they haven't had them?

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Maybe not, but we can prove that they're not possible.

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Originally Posted by Fabio-the-dreamer

Can you PROVE they haven't had them?

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*Sigh*
They have the burden of proof. If someone comes up to you and says I have a time machine. I say they don't. They say "You can't prove I don't!"
This is a surefire way to make an idiot of yourself.
Here is a visual description:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4...onallogml2.jpg

that would be cool. Group gaming on the internet, was considered out of this world when it was introduced (really not anymore). Imagine a shared dream game, that people can all join in, if it could happen that would be amazing.

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Originally Posted by Noogah

Isn't the imagination the foundation of dream control?

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Imagination is the foundation of most of dreaming, which is why I don't understand why some people are hyper-skeptical on these forums when people start talking about shared dreams, possibilities, etc.

It's like they want to take all the fun out of dreaming, imagination, and ultimately life. Personally, I'd rather have a blast exploring "shared dreams" in my own lucids (even if they are completely the creation of my own mind) than simply closing the door on that kind of experience because I'm convinced it's not possible.

But hey, to each their own and if someone doesn't want to have fun with their own imagination then that's their loss.

Anyhow, regarding the topic of this thread I think it's a cool idea.

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Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot

Imagination is the foundation of most of dreaming, which is why I don't understand why some people are hyper-skeptical on these forums when people start talking about shared dreams, possibilities, etc.

It's like they want to take all the fun out of dreaming, imagination, and ultimately life. Personally, I'd rather have a blast exploring "shared dreams" in my own lucids (even if they are completely the creation of my own mind) than simply closing the door on that kind of experience because I'm convinced it's not possible.

But hey, to each their own and if someone doesn't want to have fun with their own imagination then that's their loss.

Anyhow, regarding the topic of this thread I think it's a cool idea.

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I'm not trying to take the fun out of dreaming. But I don't want to try doing something like lucid games (which are pretty much shared dreams) when it probably isn't possible!

If I could lucid dream frequently, things like flying, the monthly dream challenges, and those things would probably more than planning a shared dream with a friend when it probably wont be successful.

Ok, I'm going to be very skeptical here.

Lets say shared dreaming is 100% impossible.

You and your friend talk about about a shared dream, a fight lets say, plan it, and fall asleep to dream it.

You both have lucid dreams, fighting the other person. They are seperate (The other person was not affecting your dream, you were just dreaming about him) When you wake up, you both have awesome dreams that you can talk about.

You may not have shared a dream, but you shared the experience. Sounds like fun to me.

Fair enough, but 1. It is not shared dreaming 2. It doesn't support the idea of "lucid games" and 3. You can do that with any DC.

What Fabio suggested is a very cool idea, and I've heard it done before. However, it is likely the closest to shared dreaming we will be able to achieve until we hook our brains up to computers or develop our brains to the point where we can communicate telepathically. I saw on the discovery channel that whales might possess this ability :P.

Sinani201, I am going to prove to you not the existence of shared dreams but why you should try to have one. With this table.

Shared dreams don't exist:

Don't try to have one,
Nothing happens.

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Try to have one
You use a few nights trying,
miss or gain some cool dreams
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Shared dream do exist

You don't try to have one:
Miss out on something
amazing
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Do try to have one:

You have an amazing experience,
With shared dreaming!
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Whether or not they exist, you should try.

I disagree. You shouldn't need to delude yourself to become lucid or have an exciting dream.

What is the fun in participating in a non-existant shared dream?

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Originally Posted by Conkt

I disagree. You shouldn't need to delude yourself to become lucid or have an exciting dream.

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Where did I say that?

Personally i too believe in shared dreaming. With stuff like remote viewing, it doesn't seem THAT impossible. Like Fabio said, I would like to at least try it.

Why want to share a dream? When you have your imagination.

Waking Nomad and Raven Knight have shared quite a few dreams and I don't believe they are lying. Of course, it could be coincidence but look at how many similarities there are in the dreams that they are with each other and they didn't know each other in real life or that well before they had their first shared dream. I never used to believe in shared dreaming either but I just think that is too much of a coincidence to happen. Man of shred has also been in a shared dream with Waking Nomad once or twice.