From what I've been reading, the SSILD mainly produces FA's. Is there a good way to catch these?
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From what I've been reading, the SSILD mainly produces FA's. Is there a good way to catch these?
Oh okay - so OBE's are basically just like LD's?
Oh and, we can use this tech for DEILDs? I would have had one if I didn't break out of SP and enter an FA.
Sorry for all the questions >.<..
I always liked this diagram from Michael Raduga's SOBT, it basically lumps all of these similar experiences into one category, Phase, which the OP mentions:
The Phase
Cool, pretty original for a change :)
I'll try this technique for a while. Sounds pretty good.
Can I get some clarification for the difference between OBE and LD?
Did a WBTB last night with this.
I did maybe 4-5 cycles then fell asleep really quick.
No results. I'll try it again tonight.
If that's the case, you may want to be a bit more aggressive while doing the steps -- look more carefully behind your eyelids, search for patterns, colors, etc. Listen to sound and try to adjust the volume mentally; Imagine some kinetic sensations... be careful though, when you do this you may end up focusing too much which causes you to lose sleep. You need to experiment to find what's best for you :)
OBE, in a broad sense, describes the experience during which you seem to rise from your physical body and move about in a non-physical form. There are many kinds of OBE though, and some people tend to recognize only a subset of these as the "genuine" OBE. For example, some disregard "dreams of OBE" as real OBE. This usually happens in combination with false awakenings -- you have an FA, then you perform some WILD technique within it. Of course you will right away experience vibrations, HIs, and etc., and you then exit your body. You believe you are having an OBE, but it's actually an OBE within a dream! You are lunching yourself from a platform of fake realities, and as a result when you do wake up the whole experience will feel unreal. In this case, it is not much different from a LD.
Let's look at another example. You experience SP while being fully awake, and then you manage to make the exit. This, when it happens, will feel like genuine "soul leaving the body". You may even see your physical body lying on the bed. However, no matter how awake you are, the moment you make the exit, you step into a different reality. It is very common for people to rise from a different location such as their old houses, school dormitories, or a room that's pieced together from the various places where they previous lived at. Just like in a dream, the moment you step into this non-physical world your IQ is reduced by half, and thus you won't be able to recognize the anomalies. You then go on with your adventure but when you wake up you will hardly remember much detail... again, just like a lucid dream. Would you call this OBE or WILD? There is hardly any real distinction.
Some people like to describe OBE with these attributes: environment almost identical with reality; sharp mind, clear as day-time and 100% functional; solid objects that are hard if not impossible to manipulate; no memory loss upon returning to physical body, etc. In other word, they are describing "soul travel in reality or near-reality". These kinds of experiences, IMO, are extremely rare and most people who report them are probably bluffing, at least to some degree. I personally have had a few thousand OBEs, yet very few of them fit all the above descriptions (only exception being when I used special techniques, but that's a whole different matter). In our forum, we have collected many thousands of OBE cases, and again not a single one fit all the descriptions, minus a few which are quite obviously from less credible sources.
I know technically there are differences between some special-case OBEs and LD. For example, some OBEs can occur during NREM. However, the majority of OBEs are not much different from LDs. You can essentially treat them as LDs which uses your bed as the starting point. Let me make it clear -- what I'm saying here is based on my own experiences and researches. They are my personal opinions only.
Yeah, I'm trying this today.
Just curious... but, how did you get to this conclusion? I mean, you can't do IQ tests in LDs/OBEs. Besides, even an IQ of 50 would make one understand the obvious anomalies that occur during these stages. Isn't it your logic center of the brain which shuts down during sleep that makes you unable to understand things are weird?
This is an added bonus that one doesn't need to remain still upon awakening.
Just to clarify, do the 4 or 5 cycles of steps 2a, 2b and 2c need to be performed immediately upon awakening? Or can one get up after 6 hours; visit the bathroom; go back to bed and then do the cycles of steps 2a, 2b, 2c? Even though your method has its own merits and does vary from Mr. Raduga's methods, he does say that for his method not to use an alarm clock to generate an awakening. As this point isn't included in your guide I am assuming that some of your students probably have and I was wondering if you have noticed the effect of this on the experimental results on the other forum?
Another reason for my questions above as I am finding it hard to truly understand your instrctions. Sorry if I gave incorrect advice to another member due to my misunderstanding of your method.
Are you saying that when one reaches the fourth or fifth cycle of steps 2a, 2b and 2c it is very important that one is on the verge of falling asleep as described in step 3. I am asking these questions because with my experience of success with Mr. Raduga's methods attention to detail is very important to a successful outcome.
Interesting result :)
And there is http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/sild-s...-dream-127336/
I would tend to disagree with this. As you say, when one starts to have regular success at practicing 'Indirect Techniques' one begins to have more DILD's as a result. But it seemss as though CosmicIron's method generates DILD's a lot more quickly. I may be wrong about this and is just my opinion.
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And to finish up I would like to add that CosmicIron's method is a mixture of Michael Raduga's 'Indirect' and 'Direct' techniques with one major difference. In either of Raduga's methods one is attempting to have a LD or OBE from a waking state whereas CosmicIron's technique is setting up the conditions to have a phase experience at a later point in time when practice of his method has elapsed. From reading this thread a passive practice will lead to a lucid dream and an aggressive practice will lead to either a WILD or perhaps DILD whilst asleep. Please correct me if I am wrong CosmicIron :)
No mcwillis, there is no need for them to be performed immediately. What you described -- getting after 6 hours etc is the optimal way prepare for doing SSILD. Many students do use alarm clocks and in fact I also urge them to do so in the begining. By understanding how sleep cycles work and being able to monitor and calculate one's own unique sleep pattern will likely increase success.
Yes that's correct. If fact it may work even better if you completely skip step 3 and fall asleep automatically after performing the cyclings. In Betty Ericson's self-hypnosis method you are supposed to enter a trance while performing the technique, then automatically exit from it after certain ellapsed time which were determined prior to entering the trance. I suspect SSILD has a lot in common with that.Quote:
Are you saying that when one reaches the fourth or fifth cycle of steps 2a, 2b and 2c it is very important that one is on the verge of falling asleep as described in step 3. I am asking these questions because with my experience of success with Mr. Raduga's methods attention to detail is very important to a successful outcome.
Thank you. Your observation is correct and precise.Quote:
And to finish up I would like to add that CosmicIron's method is a mixture of Michael Raduga's 'Indirect' and 'Direct' techniques with one major difference. In either of Raduga's methods one is attempting to have a LD or OBE from a waking state whereas CosmicIron's technique is setting up the conditions to have a phase experience at a later point in time when practice of his method has elapsed.
So in order to fall asleep while doing the cycles, we just do them really lazily?
Because, 5 or so cycles is about 6 - 8 minutes for me, and it takes me longer to fall asleep in general.
Should we just keep doing the cycles until we fall asleep? Or will that keep us awake?
Oh and by the way, no results last night. I think it was because I couldn't sleep.. my air conditioner was broken lol.
Seem's like a very simple technique, and that's why I like it! :)
Will try this tonight and post my results.
Sometimes during the cycling your mind begins to wander, and it may take a while before you realize it and resume the exercise. When this happens you know you are doing it correctly. If you can continue doing it in this manner, then you can indeed keep performing the technique until you fall asleep.
Alright then :) I'll try and see if I can fall asleep whilst doing the cycles tonight.
Tried this 2 nights ago at a WTBT. Got my first lucid! Tried yesterday also and had a super vivid dream but not lucid. Seems very promising :)