Gravity RC Tutorial

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

Excuse me: what is your lucidity rate? Have you achieved Hukif's proficiency?

While i think gravity RC will work with enough practice, as with so many other things, i see most of our modern approaches as contrived techniques which result in contrived lucidity, bound by hopes and fears. I praise lucidity that comes out of an upgraded awareness, a new perspective on life and perceptions, and not merely on will power workouts. I think that we as human beings do have the right to lucid dream naturally providing we are exploring our experiences and therefore reaching a more fresh outlook on reality and life, and not merely labeling our life mindlessly and taking it for granted, from which all non-lucidity emerges.
Ultimately, i think lucid dreaming must be self sustaining and not dependent on scarce, depletable mind resources. We simply have to look at lucidity as a natural consequence of something more important to which we should really pay attention to: our moment to moment experience, which just like in a non lucid dream we take for granted, and so crystalize every moment of pure perception with a dichotomy of self other, building layers and layers of our own version of reality, within an agenda of a neurotic ego.

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I apologize for the late response for I myself have been very busy with school. I'm lucid daily but no I have no reached Hukif's level yet, don't forget he's been doing this for almost a decade.

Just like any other technique what you put in is what you'll get out!

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Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Yes, like I said, for some people it's different, it doesn't work the same for everyone, unfortunately. For me it's often very realistic.
It seems that no technique is truly foolproof.

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Indeed it does, like Hukif for example. He damn near did every technique you could think of, he has dreams so vivid and normal that he couldn't tell realities apart including ADA. This is where Gravity-RC played a major role for him but like you stated before it's different for everyone.

In regards to people worried if Gravity would be the same in their dreams so that it makes the RC useless, I asked NyxCC about this in my Workbook. The response I got was that if you expect the Gravity to be the same and you're worried about it, then it will be the same. But if you expect the gravity to be different, then it will be different. It is the same concept with other RC's like the nose-pinch and the counting fingers.

I think it has everything to do with your expectations.

I was asking for suggestions on the challenges of this technique. There was an excellent post on a related thread, so I'm quoting it here for future reference, as I think it deals with the core difficulties of this technique:

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Originally Posted by bluremi

I think you are going to have difficulty achieving results with such a vague goal, especially with a task like this. When you have a difficult and long-term goal project, it helps to take advantage of what people have already discovered about goal-achieving behaviors, and break it down into easier chunks:

SMART acronym for goal setting:

Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, Time-related.

Specific: Target a specific area of improvement. LD isn't a pass/fail assignment, rather it's a confluence of several skills that take time to build up independently of each other. Focus on just one aspect for your goal.

Measurable: You need to be able to point out tangible indicators of progress to yourself, or you will lose motivation. This is probably the second most important thing.

Achievable/Realistic: If your goal is specific and measurable but too difficult, you are wasting your time. Small-chunk it. Start out really small so that you can actually get there.

Time-related: Set yourself a deadline. A slog with no end in sight is discouraging. If you can imagine a light at the end of the tunnel you will want to reach it.



Get scientific about this project and you will find results come much easier. For example, your goal might be something like:

- Every time I remember to do a gravity RC I will record the event (on my smartphone with a tracking app)
- I need to build up to an average of one RC an hour within two weeks.
- Every few days I will keep a log of my progress and any differences I notice.

Now you have a short term, achievable goal, and you can look at some concrete numbers and journal entries to see if this technique is useful at all. The goal isn't even to have LDs, the goal is to reach a stage of practice where it might be consistent enough to start to cause LDs further down the road.

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Originally Posted by bluremi

I will add that I am using this method with a different RC and, unlike previous attempts, I am not getting discouraged because I can look at a graph of how often I'm doing the RC and it's slowly creeping up higher and higher. Before an RC works in your dream, it has to become a habit. If you think about it, the goal is not to have an LD, it's to develop a new habit. Thinking about it that way has made this much easier for me because there are all sorts of operant conditioning tools that suddenly make sense to use.

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Thanx, Bluremi!

I am personally not going to use what Bluremi suggested in the post above. I'm not saying its bad, but what works for him I don't think will work for me. He is suggesting to make graphs and stuff to track progress and to keep your motivation up. But I find that doing that much work actually lowers my motivation, because I start dreading every time I have to update the graph.

Also, he said that the main goal wasn't to LD, but to develop a new habit. I am going to have to politely disagree with that. I think that your main goal should ALWAYS be to LD. If you focus on making a new habit, then your LD's will fall into the back of your mind and then you won't have as many LD's as you could. That is just my opinion on this subject.

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Originally Posted by Sharpshoey

In regards to people worried if Gravity would be the same in their dreams so that it makes the RC useless, I asked NyxCC about this in my Workbook. The response I got was that if you expect the Gravity to be the same and you're worried about it, then it will be the same. But if you expect the gravity to be different, then it will be different. It is the same concept with other RC's like the nose-pinch and the counting fingers.

I think it has everything to do with your expectations.

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That is correct indeed. For a while I was using dream logic IRL for example if I picked up a book I'd think to myself, "if I were dreaming this book would be lighter."

I turned it into a habit and screwed myself in many dreams that could've actually been lucids. Second guessing yourself is a big no no for me lol.

I've noticed in the past week of working on this, that when I focus on my weight it feels like I'm heavier. Probably just because I'm more focused on it. I'm also hoping that soon I'll be able to tell when there is a difference in my weight, I don't mean in dreams, because that will probably take a bit more time, but IWL. It's hard to notice a change in weight so hopefully as I get more used to my body weight I'll be able to notice differences.

Yea that's the whole point, get used and accustomed to your bodyweight IWL. Incorporating Gravity RC into activities can be a challenge at first but I promise, if you stay consistent with it things will get easier over time.

How about combining this technique with a mantra?

"My hands are really heavy/light".
"Gravity isn't acting normally, I feel really light/heavy".

Well, the only problem with a mantra is that it sounds like you're trying to justify the logic of physics.

But that indeed is what the Gravity RC is about, when you maintain awareness on gravity, whether it's normal or abnormal will determine if you're dreaming or not.

I'm adding this to my mindfulness practice, I lose my awareness quite fast when I'm doing things at my pc, but because I use my hands all the time, it's easier to stay aware of them. It also helps with writing at school etc, but it also is just something to be mindful of. So I'm combining these now, I'll just keep doing this patiently untill I get results :).

I really admire anyone who manages to do ADA or mindfulness 24/7. I just couldn't do it. When I play a game I want to be enjoying the game and getting "lost" in it, not thinking about what my hands are doing.

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Originally Posted by Bobblehat

I really admire anyone who manages to do ADA or mindfulness 24/7. I just couldn't do it. When I play a game I want to be enjoying the game and getting "lost" in it, not thinking about what my hands are doing.

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There are different levels of awareness, you know. If you try to be focused to the maximum on your ADA/mindfulness, it's gonna be darn nearly impossible to focus on anything else you need to do throughout the day, but if you maintain a more mild level of awareness, more secondary but still active, things become much more manageable.

I know that.

I think that the part of returning to awareness could be even better for LDing. So losing your awareness, and just become aware again. That's actually what you do when you get a DILD.

Wow, this is super interesting! I am all about the long-haul techniques--it is a lifestyle, after all. I've started already! The hands will work well for me I think. Thanks for this. :)

Taking on the previous post, wouldn't it be more efective if one payed attention to one body part only, like hands only?

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

Taking on the previous post, wouldn't it be more efective if one payed attention to one body part only, like hands only?

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I hope Azul or Hukif answer, but meanwhile...
I believe Hukif says each one should fine tune the technique for themselves, and actually Azul got this technique working by paying attention only to his hands.

Sorry everyone for my inactivity, I've been busy with school and work.

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

Taking on the previous post, wouldn't it be more effective if one payed attention to one body part only, like hands only?

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Not necessarily, why? Because this is what "I" did to adjust it to my own level of comfort. But who knows maybe focusing on the hands may be much easier for many people.

Although I would actually recommend people who are interested to try and focus on gravity period lol. I would like to hear feedback from those experiences because they are tough! But I promise if you stick with it you'll be rewarded greatly.

I say start with the most difficult (in terms of your entire body) because it will allow you to develop a sense of awareness but also iron out the things you like and don't like.

With that being said, once you've grown accustomed to focusing on one body part everything else will just fall into place.

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Originally Posted by Azul

Sorry everyone for my inactivity, I've been busy with school and work.



Not necessarily, why? Because this is what "I" did to adjust it to my own level of comfort. But who knows maybe focusing on the hands may be much easier for many people.

Although I would actually recommend people who are interested to try and focus on gravity period lol. I would like to hear feedback from those experiences because they are tough! But I promise if you stick with it you'll be rewarded greatly.

I say start with the most difficult (in terms of your entire body) because it will allow you to develop a sense of awareness but also iron out the things you like and don't like.

With that being said, once you've grown accustomed to focusing on one body part everything else will just fall into place.

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Well, it was just an idea, idk, perhaps focusing on one body part would lead you to become specialist on that body part ;)
I didn't know it was your method, but if i was to try gravity RC i would do it. btw, i think i have tried paying attention to my hands, kind of holding them in my mind, not exactly feeling their weight, because they have strong dream significance for me, and it's a way to keep my mind on lucid dreaming.
if i wasn't working on my natural lucidity approach, i think i would focus on gravity RC

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

Well, it was just an idea, idk, perhaps focusing on one body part would lead you to become specialist on that body part ;)
I didn't know it was your method, but if i was to try gravity RC i would do it. btw, i think i have tried paying attention to my hands, kind of holding them in my mind, not exactly feeling their weight, because they have strong dream significance for me, and it's a way to keep my mind on lucid dreaming.
if i wasn't working on my natural lucidity approach, i think i would focus on gravity RC

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Yes it will, if you put intent into whatever it is you're trying to do then you will get some type of results.

Well it's just what I did to simplify things which made this RC MUCH easier than Hukif's original.

Once you get into a habit of doing things, everything becomes much less difficult. Like now, I've been in and out of LDing due to my schedule but I achieved daily lucidity at one point and I know exactly what it takes to get back to that point. The goal is for you to be able to find what works for you in your own way and produce the same or even better results.

Gravity RC is overlooked in my opinion, ADA is a bit tedious at times because there's so many different senses to focus on. It becomes a hassle and overwhelming at some point but that's not to say that you won't with Gravity. The concept of these things are simple but then again it's only what you make of it.