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Hi Patience,
No problem, I will - but as I said, sometime next week.
Perhaps I will start a thread about it.
Kaan, I still think that having to move your hand so much is not very helpful .
You should simply get an extensor cable and stick it in your hand - with some tape or a wristband like mine.
It can act as an indicator even there - and even more so, because if you find it difficult to move just your finger, it's even more possible that you are in for a WILD...
Another try this morning.
This time I did use the sleeping mask+mp3+gymboss from 6AM to 9 AM.
No WBTB.
The 2 alarms in a row (2s ON; 1s OFF, 2s ON) was a bit too much.
It made me think I was awoken too often.
I am thinking about another strategy.
I will try 1 vibration of 2 seconds followed by the same one but 2 minutes later. This every 24 min.
If the first one wakes me up, I'll play the audio which says "this is a successful reality check, relax and pay attention to the next vibration"
the next vibration will be coming 2 min later.
If I am aware of this 2nd vibration I wont play the audio, instead I will try a WILD/DEILD.
I could be in FA as well.
With some luck, I will fall back to sleep after the 1st vibe.
So my setting for the gymboss will be:
Mode : 2 int
1st interval: 22 min
2nd interval:2 min
vibration : 2 sec.
rounds: 10
Anyway, I had got some funny FA, one where I was dreaming of takin melatonine pills and one where I was changing the settings of my Gymboss.
Sorry I didn't see your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SearcherTMR
I already had this idea but I can't do it for now. I'll give it a try as soon as I sleep alone.
It won't be very easy although, cause I move pretty much in the bed.
Non the less, if you take a look to the setting I'm about to test, described on in my previous post, If I still have to move to play the audio, when the second vibe goes off, I don't have to move at all, and this could be a good opportunity to WILD.
No problem Kann, it was just a thought.
Actually your new settings are very interesting and I think you will have some nice experiences - and hopefully lucids with it!
Let us know!:)
Thanks SearcherTMR.
I can't wait for trying this; unfortunately, I wasn't able to attempt anything this night because I suffered from sever sunburns I got from my kayaking journey yesterday.
during the night each time I woke up from pain I took melatonin to fall back to sleep.
It gave me tons of vivid and epic dreams in the morning. too bad I wasn't wearing my gymboss in the late morning.
Repeated intake of melatonin pills during the first half of the night may be a good tip to have a strong REM rebound when attempting the technique (but I don't plan to use this supplements in a daily base)
I gave another try this morning from 6 AM to 10 AM.
I tested what I planed to: a first set of 2 vibrations of 2 second separated by 1 sec of silence, then I play the audio, 2 min later, a single vibration of 2 sec where I am supposed not to move and try a WILD.
when I move to play the audio, it is nearly impossible for me to keep me from changing my body position in the bed.
It results in a delayed sleep onset, so the vibration occurring 2 min later arrives too soon.
Next time I'll try with 1 sec vibes, and 3 min of delay for the second vibe.
I have another Idea to prevent me from doing ANY movement to play the audio when the vibration goes off , but I can not test it before I'm back to home.
The idea is simple, I need to make an audio file which will last 2 or 3 hours, where the audio message will be played every 24 min, just after the vibration is supposed to wake me up.
when I'll put the mask, after 6h of sleep, I'll trigger the Gymboss, wait few seconds, and then trigger the audio file.
This way, the gymboss will go off every 24 min, and each time it stops the vibe, the audio file automatically plays the message without any movement needed.
^^ I don't think this is going to work. The whole idea of activating the audio was for prevention of getting used to it. If it plays automatically, I think that fter a few nights you will just sleep through.
So, you have to press the play button...
Just came back to this technique.
This time, I do it like the original technique.
I am awoken after about 6 hrs of sleep by a vibrating watch.
Then I attach the mp3 player on one finger of my right hand.
The mp3 player is linked by a (too)long wire to the flat speaker that is scratched to the elastic head band of my RemDreamer Sleep mask (without the RD inside).
I have my Gymboss minimax vibrating alarm clipsed to my pant, it is programmed to vibrate every 24 min.
I turn it on when I have installed all the stuff during my WBTB.
This night I had got a LD but I forgot 100% of it.
I noticed that some vibrations have been ignored.
The reason I know it is that I set my sandisk to automatically turn of after 25min if I don't use it.
As long as I play the audio each time I notice de vibration,which comes every 24 min, the player stays "on", and I just have to press the play button.
But if I miss a vibration, the 25 min delay is over so it turns off, and the next time I notice the vibration, it wont play the message unless I press the power button and wait about 5 seconds before pressing the play button.
This night, I have noticed in some occasions that I had to press the power on button cause the play button didn't work, which means that I have missed few vibrations.
It could have been a FA but it worked after I turned the player on.
The Gymboss was programmed to vibrate during 2 seconds every 24 min.
Next time I will program it to vibrate 2 seconds, then 1 second silence, then 2 seconds of vibe, this every 24 min to see if I can notice it better during my dreams or if it actually wakes me up from a dream.
I've found that using technology as a crutch for lucid dreaming is far less effective and beneficial than developing the skills needed to do so naturally. The methods highlighted in this thread are effective if one's intentions and motivation are strong, although without the proper motivation, these bells and whistles will likely be ignored and the attempt will probably fail. In my experience, motivation and intention play a much more important role than alarms and buzzers. My point is that perhaps the focus of this thread is a bit misguided.
Have to make it more simple :mp3 -> ear plug and that's all (with the vibe alarm system obviously)
This night, my vibrating watch woke me up after 6hs of sleep, I could have fell asleep very fast since I was very groggy, but the mask+long wire+mp3 took me too much time to install on me (and the fact of turning the light on), so it woke me up to much and then I was unable to fall back to sleep.
I also messed up the mp3 player setting, so it was automatically turning off every 20 min instead of 25 min, I had to check this out several time, and this participated to ruin the last part of my sleep schedule.
This thread may be of interest to you :)
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...dream-app.html
These last nights I'm experimenting with my RemDreamer Pro alone, trying different kinds of vocal messages.
Sometimes it wakes me up, sometimes it doesn't but what is sure is that I remember much more dream scenes!
That's basically what the app allow you to do, but with the REM detection in bonus.
Each time I alm awoken from a Dream by my mask, it's an occasion to try some WILD/DEILD techniques.
The length and the volume of the vocal message are likely to be what I have to work on, but this is getting a little bit far away from the technique we are supposed to talk about in this thread..
If I finish by having consistent results, I'll open my own thread.
I'm keeping an eye on the vibrating "Alarm+mp3 player" technique as it gave me some interesting results, mostly false awakenings and dreams about lucidity.
The use of a RemDreamer Pro still has a link with this thread anyway, as I sometime have to press the RC button when I think I have been awoken by the device, and this is still a interrupted sleep audio methode.
I just want to find the perfect setting so that it gives me 50% chances to be awoken just enough to DEILD, and 50%chances to ear the message in my dream (DILD).