Aliens.

So, I'm looking for people who either believe in aliens or have seen them. Completely serious. Aliens are here and have been visiting our planet, and I'm wondering if anyone else here knows this too. If you don't want to reply here, PM me.

Ain't seen any lately.

If you don't believe in aliens you are close minded... For space to be as vast as it is and for someone to say that there is not one single life form out there is very stupid. But to say aliens are visting us, well i am kinda skeptical about that because the distance from one star to the next is very far...

Yes, aliens are here.
Soon, everyone will know this.
There are many different types of aliens.
One type is very prominent in the history of human beings.
They left 5,000 years ago, although they have lived amongst us for 300,000 years.
Many different kinds of aliens are observing us right now.
Many are interested in us only for their own agendas,
but most are interested in our welfare and being accepted into the galactic community.
But first we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves in territorial battles.
We need to learn to work together as a united planet.
That is why now is such a crucial time and many aliens are interested in us.
We are merging into a globalized culture, with a global identity, thanks to the internet and
running out of fossil fuels, over-population and a re-awakening to environmental consciousness.
Some aliens wish to manipulate our awakening to a global identity for their own profit,
but so do some humans.
Some cultures resist the destruction of their obsolete culture and resist identifying with what they consider a "soul-less" global culture that values science over traditional organized religions and tribal allegiances.
Humans are in the birth pains right now, as we are birthing from the womb of nature and being born into a galactic reality.
Soon, aliens among us will be obvious to everyone, right in the midst of the worst crisis in our history.
So, a global crisis is coming very very soon, and has already started, but it isn't so apparent yet.
During the crisis, keep heart and just try to survive it. Right when it seems like the end a new day will dawn.

There are rumours of a staged alien invasion. If this is true, don't buy it. The real aliens won't invade. The real aliens wouldn't need to invade if their intentions are hostile. But the real aliens that will reveal themselves don't have hostile intentions.

Many people don't or won't believe this. That is to be expected, of course. Just enjoy the ride.

What do we have to look forward to? Accessing free unlimited energy from the ionosphere. No more war. No more pollution. No more economic slavery. A global identity. A place in the Galactic community. An awareness that we are not alone in this Universe. A knowledge of our true history and the origin of our species and many species on this Earth, including corn, marijuana, many fungi, and rice. Easy travel to the farthest reaches of space. A more advanced technology and science that fully understands and applies the knowledge of electro-magnetism and other dimensions.

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Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Yes, aliens are here.
Soon, everyone will know this.
There are many different types of aliens.
One type is very prominent in the history of human beings.
They left 5,000 years ago, although they have lived amongst us for 300,000 years.
Many different kinds of aliens are observing us right now.
Many are interested in us only for their own agendas,
but most are interested in our welfare and being accepted into the galactic community.
But first we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves in territorial battles.
We need to learn to work together as a united planet.
That is why now is such a crucial time and many aliens are interested in us.
We are merging into a globalized culture, with a global identity, thanks to the internet and
running out of fossil fuels, over-population and a re-awakening to environmental consciousness.
Some aliens wish to manipulate our awakening to a global identity for their own profit,
but so do some humans.
Some cultures resist the destruction of their obsolete culture and resist identifying with what they consider a "soul-less" global culture that values science over traditional organized religions and tribal allegiances.
Humans are in the birth pains right now, as we are birthing from the womb of nature and being born into a galactic reality.
Soon, aliens among us will be obvious to everyone, right in the midst of the worst crisis in our history.
So, a global crisis is coming very very soon, and has already started, but it isn't so apparent yet.
During the crisis, keep heart and just try to survive it. Right when it seems like the end a new day will dawn.

There are rumours of a staged alien invasion. If this is true, don't buy it. The real aliens won't invade. The real aliens wouldn't need to invade if their intentions are hostile. But the real aliens that will reveal themselves don't have hostile intentions.

Many people don't or won't believe this. That is to be expected, of course. Just enjoy the ride.

What do we have to look forward to? Accessing free unlimited energy from the ionosphere. No more war. No more pollution. No more economic slavery. A global identity. A place in the Galactic community. An awareness that we are not alone in this Universe. A knowledge of our true history and the origin of our species and many species on this Earth, including corn, marijuana, many fungi, and rice. Easy travel to the farthest reaches of space. A more advanced technology and science that fully understands and applies the knowledge of electro-magnetism and other dimensions.

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Thanks for the input Oneironaught, those are lots of my thoughts as well, its going to be a exciting time when our space brothers and sisters are back and made officially known.

What's the evidence?

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Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

But to say aliens are visting us, well i am kinda skeptical about that because the distance from one star to the next is very far...

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That is an understatement.
Fortunately there are more efficient ways of traversing apparently vast areas of space then what humans are capable of in our present understanding and technology.
It is not so much crossing vast areas of space linearly as appearing to jump instantly from one location and appearing in another. This isn't accomplished in the third dimension, but folding or looping space (kind of like how pac-man can go off the left hand side of the screen and appear on the right hand side). Creating wormholes or temporary tunnels in the fourth or fifth dimension.
I don't know the science of it, I admit it, because I am not an alien or an astro-physicist... But I have a basic understanding of the concept just as I have a basic understanding of how a radio works. I don't, but I know that it does.
Technologically advanced aliens have a way of hovering at a high wave-length where they can blink in and out of our perceived physical vibrational spectrum. Somehow their technology is an extension of their minds, whereas our technology is an extension of our senses and hands. We can use microscopes and telescopes as extensions of our eyes, a spoon is an extension of our hands, etc...
With some aliens it is hard to tell the difference between their vehicle and their body or their mind. Their vehicle might be perceived as a transparent light that seems to have sentience. Or somehow be able to pass through physical barriers as if we are only seeing a cross-section of a 4th or 5th dimensional object interacting with our third dimension.

The nature of the phenomena of alien encounters also exists on the threshold of objectivity and subjectivity. Cameras may malfunction, or not record anything unusual, while the person experience a full alien encounter with no physical evidence to show for it. However, after the event, there may be scorched ground, high radiation readings, etc. It is a fine line between diagnosing an experiencer with a psychological disorder or not. Here is an interesting read. It is a critical evaluation of theory and evidence.

It is interesting to not that for much of history the alien encounter was interpreted as encounters with gods, demons, succubi, and faeries or elves. They all had similar trademarks, ie. experiencing extreme pulsations of energy and a "Wahwahwahwahwah" sound, bright spinning lights, radiation burns (sunburn), missing time, encountering beings who humans were unable to relate to emotionally and unable to identify emotions in them, invasive telepathy and psychological manipulation, and even genetic experiments. Myths of the faerie changeling where human women were abducted and impregnated by faeries and later gave birth to a "changeling" or 1/2 human-1/2 faerie child, then the faeries come to take back the child. This also seems relevant to the "demi-gods" of myth. It wasn't until the 1930s and 1940s that the experience began to take on the alien association widespread. Perhaps this is a result of science taking the place of religion and superstition, and science fiction taking the place of mythology. Whatever it is, the alien encounter phenomena appears to be here to stay, and to always defy classification. It appears to be the manifestation and/or the projection of the mystery of our place in the universe. It appears to rear its head as any form that seems possible, but without evidence. It is the manifestation of the fantastic, from beyond the threshold of human understanding, perhaps to push us into expanding the envelope of our rational conception.

What I find very very interesting is the possible relation of the alien abduction experience with sleep paralysis and hypno-gogic hallucinations. Perhaps aliens can also manipulate people's consciousness and brainwaves and initiate a subjective hypnogogic abduction experience while they fiddle with the victim's mind. Or perhaps the whole experience is a product of the hypnogogic state.

But this only relates to the abduction experience. I have had no abduction experiences so I don't know about this first-hand. The experiences I have had are not with the classic "grey" aliens who abduct people but rather with a more benevolent entity that seems to be beyond our understanding of wise and compassionate, yet impersonal. They are awesome, yet quell any reactions of fear from humans. It is obvious that they deeply respect humans and our feelings of safety, they don't cross any boundaries. They need to be invited. But they will step in only when there is absolutely no other option for our safety as a species.

But perhaps I am just fantasy-prone. I admit that that is definitely a possibility. But, according to psychologists, fantasy prone people are still able to tell the difference between a fantasy or hallucination and a real experience. I would have to be schizophrenic if this weren't a genuine experience. Alien encounters are experienced by up to 6% of the population, according to the link I just posted. That seems like a high estimate, and would include the schizophrenic population as well. It would also include false memories suggested by UFOologists during hypnosis. But the fact is that many many people who are otherwise very sane and who have lead 'normal' lives, who were not even interested in aliens have had these experiences.

So with 5-6% of the population fantasy-prone, and a good portion of those only spontaneously fantasy-prone, it is the majority consensus reality opinion labeling the minority fantasy. And without any evidence for or against, it ends up being a matter of personal experience or not.

And what I would like to make clear is that the true nature of these experiences cannot be accurately communicated. The one relating the story of the experience has to use a lot of metaphors and similes. The one trying to understand, diagnose, etc. does not understand the nature of the experience. It is easy for them to dismiss it as fantasy, false memories, masking of trauma, etc... When the experiencer says that he "saw into a higher dimension of reality" that he was "previously unaware of" and that "the vast majority of people are unaware of" he means it. He cannot describe it accurately, or offer evidence, or experiment to prove a hypothesis (unless he is a scientist).

That is the whole message of the movie "Contact" and the book "Contact" by Carl Sagan. That in the end she had an experience that totally changed her life and she knew in the deepest part of her being as true, but she had no proof. And it is significant that the tables turned, whereas before she was a skeptical atheist. She remained atheist, but still was accused of hallucinating or fantasizing. Very good message in that story, I have a lot of respect for Carl Sagan. Also, the reaction from the religious nut-jobs was portrayed very well. But the character of Matthew McConaughey was very annoying.

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Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

It is not so much crossing vast areas of space linearly as appearing to jump instantly from one location and appearing in another. This isn't accomplished in the third dimension, but folding or looping space.

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I really liked the book "A wrinkle in time" when I was growing up too.

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Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

That is an understatement.
Fortunately there are more efficient ways of traversing apparently vast areas of space then what humans are capable of in our present understanding and technology.
It is not so much crossing vast areas of space linearly as appearing to jump instantly from one location and appearing in another. This isn't accomplished in the third dimension, but folding or looping space (kind of like how pac-man can go off the left hand side of the screen and appear on the right hand side). Creating wormholes or temporary tunnels in the fourth or fifth dimension.
I don't know the science of it, I admit it, because I am not an alien or an astro-physicist... But I have a basic understanding of the concept just as I have a basic understanding of how a radio works. I don't, but I know that it does.
Technologically advanced aliens have a way of hovering at a high wave-length where they can blink in and out of our perceived physical vibrational spectrum. Somehow their technology is an extension of their minds, whereas our technology is an extension of our senses and hands. We can use microscopes and telescopes as extensions of our eyes, a spoon is an extension of our hands, etc...
With some aliens it is hard to tell the difference between their vehicle and their body or their mind. Their vehicle might be perceived as a transparent light that seems to have sentience. Or somehow be able to pass through physical barriers as if we are only seeing a cross-section of a 4th or 5th dimensional object interacting with our third dimension.

The nature of the phenomena of alien encounters also exists on the threshold of objectivity and subjectivity. Cameras may malfunction, or not record anything unusual, while the person experience a full alien encounter with no physical evidence to show for it. However, after the event, there may be scorched ground, high radiation readings, etc. It is a fine line between diagnosing an experiencer with a psychological disorder or not. Here is an interesting read. It is a critical evaluation of theory and evidence.

It is interesting to not that for much of history the alien encounter was interpreted as encounters with gods, demons, succubi, and faeries or elves. They all had similar trademarks, ie. experiencing extreme pulsations of energy and a "Wahwahwahwahwah" sound, bright spinning lights, radiation burns (sunburn), missing time, encountering beings who humans were unable to relate to emotionally and unable to identify emotions in them, invasive telepathy and psychological manipulation, and even genetic experiments. Myths of the faerie changeling where human women were abducted and impregnated by faeries and later gave birth to a "changeling" or 1/2 human-1/2 faerie child, then the faeries come to take back the child. This also seems relevant to the "demi-gods" of myth. It wasn't until the 1930s and 1940s that the experience began to take on the alien association widespread. Perhaps this is a result of science taking the place of religion and superstition, and science fiction taking the place of mythology. Whatever it is, the alien encounter phenomena appears to be here to stay, and to always defy classification. It appears to be the manifestation and/or the projection of the mystery of our place in the universe. It appears to rear its head as any form that seems possible, but without evidence. It is the manifestation of the fantastic, from beyond the threshold of human understanding, perhaps to push us into expanding the envelope of our rational conception.

What I find very very interesting is the possible relation of the alien abduction experience with sleep paralysis and hypno-gogic hallucinations. Perhaps aliens can also manipulate people's consciousness and brainwaves and initiate a subjective hypnogogic abduction experience while they fiddle with the victim's mind. Or perhaps the whole experience is a product of the hypnogogic state.

But this only relates to the abduction experience. I have had no abduction experiences so I don't know about this first-hand. The experiences I have had are not with the classic "grey" aliens who abduct people but rather with a more benevolent entity that seems to be beyond our understanding of wise and compassionate, yet impersonal. They are awesome, yet quell any reactions of fear from humans. It is obvious that they deeply respect humans and our feelings of safety, they don't cross any boundaries. They need to be invited. But they will step in only when there is absolutely no other option for our safety as a species.

But perhaps I am just fantasy-prone. I admit that that is definitely a possibility. But, according to psychologists, fantasy prone people are still able to tell the difference between a fantasy or hallucination and a real experience. I would have to be schizophrenic if this weren't a genuine experience. Alien encounters are experienced by up to 6% of the population, according to the link I just posted. That seems like a high estimate, and would include the schizophrenic population as well. It would also include false memories suggested by UFOologists during hypnosis. But the fact is that many many people who are otherwise very sane and who have lead 'normal' lives, who were not even interested in aliens have had these experiences.

So with 5-6% of the population fantasy-prone, and a good portion of those only spontaneously fantasy-prone, it is the majority consensus reality opinion labeling the minority fantasy. And without any evidence for or against, it ends up being a matter of personal experience or not.

And what I would like to make clear is that the true nature of these experiences cannot be accurately communicated. The one relating the story of the experience has to use a lot of metaphors and similes. The one trying to understand, diagnose, etc. does not understand the nature of the experience. It is easy for them to dismiss it as fantasy, false memories, masking of trauma, etc... When the experiencer says that he "saw into a higher dimension of reality" that he was "previously unaware of" and that "the vast majority of people are unaware of" he means it. He cannot describe it accurately, or offer evidence, or experiment to prove a hypothesis (unless he is a scientist).

That is the whole message of the movie "Contact" and the book "Contact" by Carl Sagan. That in the end she had an experience that totally changed her life and she knew in the deepest part of her being as true, but she had no proof. And it is significant that the tables turned, whereas before she was a skeptical atheist. She remained atheist, but still was accused of hallucinating or fantasizing. Very good message in that story, I have a lot of respect for Carl Sagan. Also, the reaction from the religious nut-jobs was portrayed very well. But the character of Matthew McConaughey was very annoying.

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Yah i was thinking after i made that post, that wormholes could be used to travel vast distances through space.

I remember watching some program a while back that basically said wormholes can never be used for space travel, or traveling of any kind, unless you're the size of an atom. The program was basically saying the inability to create or use wormholes is a universal law, like gravity. Wormholes create paradoxes that could unravel the Universe! Well that's just my laymans understanding of it :cheeky:

But I do think there is something that can travel across the galaxies, and are already using it. It's mind. Close your eyes and see yourself traveling to another planet. Congratulations you're an astronaut! The interesting part is if you're willing to believe that mind exists on another layer of reality *astral*. In this case, if you can access this other layer with your full consciousness, you really are traveling to distant planets. The next step, is to have your body travel with you.

It all sounds impossible but I'm a believer that if we humans an imagine it, then it is possible on some level. Because I'm not sure how its possible for a mere human to imagine something separate from this Universe - when we are parts of it. We've imagined all sorts of crazy things, wormholes, time traveling, teleportation, dematerialize, re-materializing! All the great stuff of science-fiction.

So in my belief, all of these things must be possible - just not maybe 'here'.

Dana Gould - Alien Abductions - Video Clip | Comedy Central's Jokes.com :D

I'm pretty confident that we're not alone out there... Not too worried about there being aliens among us. Even if there are, as long as they're just observing, fine with me.

don't believe in aliens if I'm wrong no big deal, just don't believe

The question is: Why? Do you seriously believe that man meets near the psychological qualifications for contact?

Think of the Universe. Think of life forms unthinkably older than man. Would you not believe that the planets are governed and that a minimum psychological profile is required before contact?

What do you read when you read the Judeo-Christian Scripture? Historical, genetic, psychological, manipulation--even using dreams to do it.

Just what can be done about it? Nothing but learn.

In the end, it does not matter. As mind we have a job to do and must press on until we can do it.

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don't believe in aliens if I'm wrong no big deal, just don't believe

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Yah somehow earth is the only planet with life in the whole universe!

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don't believe in aliens if I'm wrong no big deal, just don't believe

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See if you feel that why you realize that they traveled some hundreds of light years just to take you up on the mothership and anally probe you. I don't know about you, but if I traveled hundreds of light years to do something, I'd do a damn thorough job of it.

Well, I am no scientist. I do not know what the hell a wormhole really is and how it works. It is science fiction to me.
But I can understand higher dimensions (up to the 6th dimension). Really, aliens only need to be able to have ships able to travel in the 4th dimension in order to cross the Universe instantly and/or to time time travel.

Humans are no more precious and worthy than any other species, but we are also just as unique, and a little more so. The potential of humanity is what is so precious and amazing, and how we are throwing our potential away. If I was an alien I would find humans worth contacting and communicating with even on internet forums, if it helps them. Yes, Rhinos and tigers and polar bears and whales and plants in the Amazon and the last of the rainforests and the coral reefs are all precious, especially for the ecosystem on Earth, but nor all that unique in the Universe. There are only a relative few species that have a potential like humans.

Spoiler for science fiction:

See animals and plants are already living up to their full potential, which is great, and beautiful and necessary. But humans have never actualized their potential and the aliens know that when humans actualize their potential that they can join the galactic federation.

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But I can understand higher dimensions (up to the 6th dimension).

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With a topology induced by a euclidian metric, this is close to trivial. 2, 3 dimensions are often harder to work with. You have more room in more dimensions.

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Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Really, aliens only need to be able to have ships able to travel in the 4th dimension in order to cross the Universe instantly and/or to time time travel.

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I'm moving through the' fourth dimension' at ~300,000 kilometers per second as I sit here on my ass. I've never even been to china. And BTW, your use of the term 'the fourth dimension' calls into question your understanding of dimensionality it general.

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Humans are no more precious and worthy than any other species, but we are also just as unique, and a little more so.

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The potential of humanity is what is so precious and amazing, and how we are throwing our potential away.

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By waiting for jesus/hari krishna/aliens to come and realize our potential for us

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If I was an alien I would find humans worth contacting and communicating with even on internet forums, if it helps them.

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That's sort of how I feel about creationists and new agers

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Yes, Rhinos and tigers and polar bears and whales and plants in the Amazon and the last of the rainforests and the coral reefs are all precious, especially for the ecosystem on Earth, but nor all that unique in the Universe. There are only a relative few species that have a potential like __insert-species-of-your-choice-here__.

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fixed. You're assuming that 'potential' is a one dimensional scale but potential moves in as many dimensions as there are individuals.

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See animals and plants are already living up to their full potential, which is great, and beautiful and necessary. But humans have never actualized their potential and the aliens know that when humans actualize their potential that they can join the galactic federation.

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sounds awesome. with any luck, they'll have da kine pakalolo and they wont charge us tourist prices.

yes i do.

this is my site
deepintothereal.blogspot.com

nd i am going to pm you right now

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yes i do.

this is my site
deepintothereal.blogspot.com

nd i am going to pm you right now

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I'll help you with your SEO spamming even if it's pointless on this site for technical reasons (check rel='nofollow') and I'll even give you an example of how to do it right: I honestly wish that I could say that this rubbish is the most delusional crap I've ever seen but I've spent too much time in R/S for that to be true.

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I'm moving through the' fourth dimension' at ~300,000 kilometers per second as I sit here on my ass. I've never even been to china.

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If you are referring to the Earth traveling through space, that is not what I'm talking about. If you are referring to Time as the fourth dimension, time is not the fourth dimension, it may be, but nobody actually knows what time is. If time is a dimension then sitting on your ass in the fourth dimension is independent of time.

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By waiting for jesus/hari krishna/aliens to come and realize our potential for us

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Nobody can realize our potential for us. They can realize our potential for themselves, which does nobody any good. we have to realize our own potential, but even realizing it is the beginning, then we have to actualize it, again, nobody can do that for us. BTW it is not hari krishna, it is just Krishna.

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You're assuming that 'potential' is a one dimensional scale but potential moves in as many dimensions as there are individuals.

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I don't think you understand what I am assuming, and I don't understand what you are saying here.

Be that as it may, the alien experience doesn't offer any answers, just more questions, if one is looking for answers. For example, how they penetrate into the psyche kind of like a shared dream, but they are in control, and one is fully awake.

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I'll help you with your SEO spamming even if it's pointless on this site for technical reasons (check rel='nofollow') and I'll even give you an example of how to do it right: I honestly wish that I could say that this rubbish is the most delusional crap I've ever seen but I've spent too much time in R/S for that to be true.

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i do know how to link text i was just too much in a hurry to do so.

and you don't have to believe in anything. not everybody does..
but the people that do know what i am talking about know what i am talking about.

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If you are referring to the Earth traveling through space, that is not what I'm talking about. If you are referring to Time as the fourth dimension, time is not the fourth dimension, it may be, but nobody actually knows what time is. If time is a dimension then sitting on your ass in the fourth dimension is independent of time.

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OK, look. The only verifiable theory that posits a four dimensional spacetime is relativity and in relativity every thing is moving through spacetime at the speed of light at all times. When we are moving at da kine through 'space', we are not moving through 'time' at all. When we are not moving through 'space' at all, we are moving at da kine through 'time'. When we are moving through one a little bit, we are moving through the other a lot.

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I don't think you understand what I am assuming, and I don't understand what you are saying here.

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You say 'greater potential'. with one dimension, you can do this: 1 < 2. With multiple dimensions, you can not. is 10i < 10 or is 10 < 10i?

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You say 'greater potential'. with one dimension, you can do this: 1 < 2. With multiple dimensions, you can not. is 10i < 10 or is 10 < 10i?

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I think he's using potential in the purest sense of the word - as in - we humans are capable of so much more than who we are today.

Think of where we were at the turn of the century in 1900. Who then could accurately predict where we would be in 2000? Who today can really know where we will be in 2100? Put the evolution of civilization on a graph, and it's exponential. We are reaching a point in time where our civilizations have the potential to make the greatest leap mankind has yet to make. But - it's just a potential.

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I think he's using potential in the purest sense of the word - as in - we humans are capable of so much more than who we are today.

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No. He's using potential in a very anthrocentric way. He is saying that humans have greater potential than beavers. Humans have greater potential than beavers to do things that humans care about. Beavers have greater potential than humans to do things that beavers care about. Our potential only seems greater because we're humans and naturally care about human potential. Beavers care about beaver potential. Which is greater?

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Think of where we were at the turn of the century in 1900. Who then could accurately predict where we would be in 2000? Who today can really know where we will be in 2100? Put the evolution of civilization on a graph, and it's exponential. We are reaching a point in time where our civilizations have the potential to make the greatest leap mankind has yet to make. But - it's just a potential.

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I do agree with this. But it is scientific evolution that has been driving this. That is to say, our actual understanding of the actual universe that we actually live in. Not religious/new age fantasies.