Try This !!! Activate the Amygdala Nuclei in the Medial Temporal Lobes of Your Brain

This is very simple. On either side of your head locate the point halfway between your eye and ear. Then imagine about an inch inside of your skull at the halfway point that there is a piece of brain that is about the size and shape of an almond. I find it helpful to imagine that it is shiny, like it has been varnished. Then imagine that there is a feather inside your head tickling the front of the almond shaped piece of brain. Imagine the tickling sensation.

If you have done it correctly you should feel a large rush of positive emotions. I get a rush of energy throughout my body, feel happy peaceful emotions and usually laugh.

But this is only the beginning to what you can achieve with this. I discovered this technique from the studies and research done at the dormant brain research laboratory. To find out more about the dormant brain research laboratory visit this link

I know legit science when I see it, and that website is some fuckin legit shit right there, I'm telling you.

Ive finished reading the book by Neil Slade as he was one of the senior research fellows there. Absolutely fascinating. It's a terrible shame the lab isn't running anymore.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

Ive finished reading the book by Neil Slade as he was one of the senior research fellows there. Absolutely fascinating. It's a terrible shame the lab isn't running anymore.

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I'm not sure if this is a response to xei's post, but that was sarcasm, in case you didn't catch it. :P

I remember you posting about this before in another thread. I only seem to be good at sensing specific regions in my brain while on certain substances or during certain transitional stages between wake and dream. Both of which involve dissociation from external stimuli, which of course, makes sensing internal functions and physiological changes much easier. When I'm transitioning I usually draw my focus to the frontal lobe, which seems to facilitate the process of entering a dream. Next time I might aim for the amygdala, just to see if anything interesting happens.

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Originally Posted by nina

I'm not sure if this is a response to xei's post, but that was sarcasm, in case you didn't catch it. :P

I remember you posting about this before in another thread. I only seem to be good at sensing specific regions in my brain while on certain substances or during certain transitional stages between wake and dream. Both of which involve dissociation from external stimuli, which of course, makes sensing internal functions and physiological changes much easier. When I'm transitioning I usually draw my focus to the frontal lobe, which seems to facilitate the process of entering a dream. Next time I might aim for the amygdala, just to see if anything interesting happens.

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I know he was being sarcastic with his contempt prior to investigation :shadewink: Actually activating the amygdala can be incredibly overwhelming in a dream. See how you go with the above, may take a few times to master but once you get it you'll be hooked. I haven't been here on DV for a while and I know we have had some crossed words in the past so I am sorry for that. A year of deep meditation has calmed me down a great deal. It is a pleasnt surprise to see you again.

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I haven't been here on DV for a while and I know we have had some crossed words in the past so I am sorry for that.

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Have we? Don't be sorry for something I don't remember. :P I recall your valuable feedback to my transition from vibrations thread. (I think we might have argued on the nick newport issue? Being that, I think he's a jack ass)

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Have we? Don't be sorry for something I don't remember. :P I recall your valuable feedback to my transition from vibrations thread. (I think we might have argued on the nick newport issue? Being that, I think he's a jack ass)

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Yes you are correct but I have no desire to make a rebuttal :) What do you think of the technique. Would like to see what people think of the technique as it is incredibly simple yet very powerful?

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Originally Posted by Xei

I know legit science when I see it, and that website is some fuckin legit shit right there, I'm telling you.

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Have you ever, even once in your life, given an idea the benefit of the doubt before dismissing it? Have you ever, even once, experimented with a concept or exercise that hasn't been excessively verified? There's no danger is playing with doubt, you know.

Let us all know what you think of the technique Omnis if you decide to give it a try.

I can locate the spot but I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to tickle it. Or maybe I'm just expecting too much. My head feels much lighter though. And the long I focus on it, the wider that sensation becomes.

Remember you are just using your imagination and it is very easy to achieve. Once you have imagined the location of either amygdala you then need to imagine the feather inside your head tickling the front of the amygdala. If you haven't felt how a tickle feels from a feather then you need to find one to tickle your skin with its tip to understand how it feels. You just need to then imagine that tickling sensation on the amygdala. I find the results of this technique to be the best when you imagine a really strong tickling sensation. Hope this helps.

I find it difficult to imagine the sensation of anything deep inside my skull, just the outer bones and skin of where I touch. The only cool sensation I have achieved so far is sinking my fingernail a bit into the spot right between the eyebrows, then focusing on how that area feels, and it's like an intense opening/pinching effect. Like a lazer breaming out of my head in waves.

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Originally Posted by mcwillis

Remember you are just using your imagination and it is very easy to achieve. Once you have imagined the location of either amygdala you then need to imagine the feather inside your head tickling the front of the amygdala. If you haven't felt how a tickle feels from a feather then you need to find one to tickle your skin with its tip to understand how it feels. You just need to then imagine that tickling sensation on the amygdala. I find the results of this technique to be the best when you imagine a really strong tickling sensation. Hope this helps.

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Wow... Just... Wow

Suffice to say it worked.

Lol, it reeeeaaaaally worked.

Now I can't stop laughing

I had the same problem DeeryTheDeer but I was just overcomplicating it thinking that my imagination had to be more complex to be able to manipulate my brain. It really is incredibly simple. If you can imagine something inside a box then you can imagine something inside your skull. Treat this like a childlike game because it really is very simple.

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Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Wow... Just... Wow

Suffice to say it worked.

Lol, it reeeeaaaaally worked.

Now I can't stop laughing

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Awesome man :D. Intense regular practice of this is the next step. Neil Slade states that you can expect a frontal lobes 'Big Bang' in 3 to 5 years. Imagine what you experienced times one billion - that is what a 'Big Bang' is like.

I noticed instant resistance, like I could tell it could be much more intense than it was but it scared me a little and I shied away from its potential. It was like turning on a faucet then feeling the water coming and not expecting it and shutting the faucet off instantly just from the surprise, then realizing that water feels pretty damn good.

(Actually, it reminds me of DMT a little, only you can't stop the DMT once you put it in your system)

Ican't do it :( I had the same problem when trying to stimulate sensations when trying to AP.

Now that I know how to do it, it's almost too easy for the positive effect it has. How can your imagination make you feel so wonderful?

Keep trying Arch. I hope you have read the little tips I have given in this thread. Yes it is fascinating Omnis. The amygdala's are connected to the olfactory nerves, hence why you feel good when you smell roses. Because our survival isn't dependant on our sense of smell as much as it would have 100,000 years ago we only partially use this part of our brain now. Activating the amygdala via the imagination that you did triggers a vast amount of electrical signals to be fired into the frontal lobes thus creating the great sensations and emotions of pleasure.

You guys do realize the page looks like it was made in the last century and tries to sell you crap at every turn, right? The cheap pseudo-science is just the cherry on top.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

You guys do realize the page looks like it was made in the last century and tries to sell you crap at every turn, right? The cheap pseudo-science is just the cherry on top.

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There are over 2000 url's at that website with a lot of very interesting articles. The book he is selling contains over 11 years of research and findings and worth every piece of currency you use to pay for it. It isn't pseudo-science. Omnis Dei has proven today that it isn't.

If you say so.

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There are over 2000 url's at that website with a lot of very interesting articles. The book he is selling contains over 11 years of research and findings and worth every piece of currency you use to pay for it. It isn't pseudo-science. Omnis Dei has proven today that it isn't.

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Ah, so there should be lots of peer reviewed evidence in scientific publications then. Wait a minute...

The website has received a great deal of positive response from psychologists and medical professionals. An article was published in the MENSA international journal concerning the work done at the dormant brain research lab. I know what pseudo-science means and technically Scatterbran is right but he was being so petulant I replied in the way that I did. Have you tried the technique yet? It is amazing.

I feel I should say I'm sorry my words made your butt hurt so. But I'll pass!

By the way, Mr. Slade also flaunts a fake phd. And I don't have time for this-

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I feel I should say I'm sorry my words made your butt hurt so. But I'll pass!

By the way, Mr. Slade also flaunts a fake phd. And I don't have time for this-

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Your words didn't hurt me at all, I find them amusing. Your post had no basis in fact whatsoever so I replied pointing out your preconceived ideas had no real substance. Fake in what way? I would be interested about that, pity you are too busy to reply.

The ability of persons to control their amygdala and experience limitless frontal lobes pleasure responses was proven by a 30 year controlled study by brain and behavior researcher T.D.A. Lingo at the Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory in Blackhawk, Colorado. Between 1957 and 1987 over three hundred and nine students and test subjects along with hundreds of additional part time participants were involved in long and short term brain education, behavioral, and thought modification programs. The resultant increases in intelligence, creativity, and positive emotions were demonstrated and measured by a variety of objective and subjective means, standardized tests and analysis methods. Lingo reports that this included 10 to 40 point increases on the Stanford-Binet I.Q. test, and 500% to 1400% increases on the Getzels-Jackson Creativity Index.

Im going to have to dig a little deeper, maybe this isn't pseudo-science afterall...

The term pseudo science is tossed around a lot on this forum. So much so, it's kind of lost its meaning. To be honest, I haven't looked at the website yet but I experimented with the idea as described in the OP. I wouldn't buy Neil Slade's book but I'm never afraid to play with my imagination. I have to admit, I did notice positive effects from doing this throughout my work day. Not only does it give me a tremendously joyous feeling but I was actually a lot more charismatic today then I usually am, and I had people laughing their asses off. I was just enjoying myself, rather than just trying to get through the day. I don't believe I proved anything, especially to some of the cynical minds that roam this forum, but I'm not really concerned about that. After you show the horse the water, you really just got to let it go. I don't blame people for being skeptical. Skepticism is what allows me to pursue so many different concepts and states of mind without going insane, and as a society we need some people to be more skeptical and less eager to buy into things that can't be proven because they provide a more stable foundation which enables other people to explore the stratosphere of possibility without the society drifting into instability.

I think the biggest problem with this is that you (mcwillis) and the site you're advocating for are trying to assert that you are activating the amygdala and creating frontal lobe pleasure. It would be far safer and much more plausible to say that the technique allows you to more consciously control your emotions positively, or that the technique has a sort of placebo effect. Unless there are brain scans of this "amygdala tickling" and showing increased electrical activity in the amygdala and frontal lobes, there is no reason to believe that you are some how activating them. The amygdala is responsible for emotions and hormonal responses to stimuli. More often than not, the amygdala is responsible for negative responses. This is why I have a hard time believing what you're saying. I cannot say for sure whether you or Omnis are lying, but I have no problem giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure what you're imagining is making you feel good and everything that you say, I'm just having a very hard time believing in what you claim is responsible for this feeling (amygdala activation leading to frontal lobe "pleasure").

Placebo implies the action is not related to a real function, that the entire thing is caused by imagination. While imagination activates the effect, the function does not require you to believe it will work.

OD falls for another one, folks. Right up there with 8-sided pyramids.

Hey if it's making them feel good then who cares, no point trying to argue with deluded people.

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OD falls for another one, folks. Right up there with 8-sided pyramids.

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Arguing against something that's been well documented is only making yourself look stupid.

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Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The term pseudo science is tossed around a lot on this forum. So much so, it's kind of lost its meaning.

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Probably because there IS so much pseudo science, conspiracy theories and other fringe stuff around here. I mean, it is a lucid dreaming forum, which tends to attract more alternative thinking people.

The way it's used shows a lack of understanding of the definition of the word science.

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Originally Posted by Xei

I know legit science when I see it, and that website is some fuckin legit shit right there, I'm telling you.

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Reading this comment before clicking the website link made this so much more hilarious. Thank you. I wish I could give you more than a "like".

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Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Hey if it's making them feel good then who cares, no point trying to argue with deluded people.

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Why is it that the only people willing to experiment with an idea are deluded? Wouldn't the people unwilling to try something new be the deluded ones?

I've showed this experiment to several people without telling them it's supposed to make them feel good, and it's worked anyways.

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Originally Posted by snoop

I think the biggest problem with this is that you (mcwillis) and the site you're advocating for are trying to assert that you are activating the amygdala and creating frontal lobe pleasure.

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The thread title states in part, 'Try This !!!' I wrote that to imply that if you apply the very simple exercise contained within it will produce a response to indicate strong feelings; adequately illustrated by Ominus Dei:

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Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Wow... Just... Wow

Suffice to say it worked.

Lol, it reeeeaaaaally worked.

Now I can't stop laughing

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The biggest problem I have regarding this thread is not what you propose but instead having the naievety that people are generally open-minded and from the responses so far my problem has been confirmed. I started the thread with the intention of keeping it as simple as and child like as possible thinking people would try it and experience effects that would shock them to the point that they might be tempted to research it further. Hence why I put it in the 'Lounge'. I could have written a long thread with a lot of scientific background and then I would have placed it in the 'Extended Discussion' forum.

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It would be far safer and much more plausible to say that the technique allows you to more consciously control your emotions positively, or that the technique has a sort of placebo effect.

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The technique has nothing to do with consciously controlling emotions or the placebo effect. I challenge anyone to gain results from the technique and then attempt to replicate those results by an act of positive thought. Omnis Dei's little experiment completely rules out the placebo effect:

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Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I've showed this experiment to several people without telling them it's supposed to make them feel good, and it's worked anyways.

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Unless there are brain scans of this "amygdala tickling" and showing increased electrical activity in the amygdala and frontal lobes, there is no reason to believe that you are some how activating them. The amygdala is responsible for emotions and hormonal responses to stimuli. More often than not, the amygdala is responsible for negative responses. This is why I have a hard time believing what you're saying. I cannot say for sure whether you or Omnis are lying, but I have no problem giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure what you're imagining is making you feel good and everything that you say, I'm just having a very hard time believing in what you claim is responsible for this feeling (amygdala activation leading to frontal lobe "pleasure").

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I agree and am putting together some extracts from the book to address your concerns.

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Reading this comment before clicking the website link made this so much more hilarious. Thank you. I wish I could give you more than a "like".

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If you were to feel the level of consciousness Mr. Slade has achieved you would understand the 'theme' of the website with a far greater understanding. I will be expanding on this with extracts from the book later when I have the time. The first time I visited the website I thought that it is owned by someone who is deeply interested in the power of the brain with a deep interest in music and art. I quickly discovered that there are many, many pages on the website and out of sheer curiosity I bought the 'Frontal Lobes Supercharge' book. I do think the website is appalingly disorganised. However, I'm glad that I did browse around and studied the claims about increasing one's use of one's brain. In fact it's the 2nd best book I've read in the last 10 years and I've read several hundred books on psychology and parapscychology.

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OD falls for another one, folks. Right up there with 8-sided pyramids.

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I find it quite interesting that there is a lot of contempt prior to investigation and that people aren't trying a simple technique that takes seconds to perform.

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Hey if it's making them feel good then who cares, no point trying to argue with deluded people.

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And another one.

Come on I was actually defending you guys. You're deluded in that you think your brain has an innate template of itself, and just by thinking you can activate a certain area. I'm pretty sure any neuroscientist would scoff at the idea. But if it makes you feel good to imagine that you can, well you're not hurting anyone. So I was actually just telling people to leave you all alone.

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Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

You're deluded in that you think your brain has an innate template of itself, and just by thinking you can activate a certain area.

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But...you can. Clearly you aren't qualified to say what a neuroscientist would or would not scoff at.

The body cannot tell the difference between imagined sensations and real ones. By imagining a sensation in a specific area, you are replicating your brain's natural response to that sensation. Imagining a naked girl is a "placebo" but you'll still get an erection. Imagining the tickle sensation is just a trick to help activate the amygdala's communication with the frontal lobes.

It's funny. On one hand, I'm not personally invested in proving to anyone that this is possible. More of a head start for me on what will inevitably spread across society anyways. And considering the possibilities of stimulating your frontal lobes like this, a head start might be nice. On the other hand, I feel like I should at least try to help as many people as I can. It is interesting how contemptuous people are, and it makes me pause. It's actually a relief to know the same people that reject my ideas are incapable of taking 5 seconds to perform a simple experiment or peruse a website because it's not presented in a scholarly enough fashion.

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Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The body cannot tell the difference between imagined sensations and real ones. By imagining a sensation in a specific area, you are replicating your brain's natural response to that sensation.

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See, that right there is wrong. You can only simulate feeling in areas that are represented in the sensory homunculus.

Cortical homunculus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The homunculus only represents areas with actual somatosensory neurons. Since the brain obviously doesn't have those (I can't recall my occipital lobes ever being itchy), it's not in the homunculus. Hence, you can't use any technique that involves imaginary stimulation.

However, the placebo effect works anywhere...

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Hence, you can't use any technique that involves imaginary stimulation.

However, the placebo effect works anywhere...

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It's technically a placebo when you imagine a spider crawling up your leg and get goosebumps, or when you think of whatever arouses you and get an erection. The sensation is not real, but the body reacts as though it were. This is different than implying it's a placebo based on confirmation bias as though we simply feel good because we expect to. You either have goosebumps or your don't, you either have an erection or you don't. There's an observable physical reaction taking place.

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Come on I was actually defending you guys. You're deluded in that you think your brain has an innate template of itself, and just by thinking you can activate a certain area. I'm pretty sure any neuroscientist would scoff at the idea. But if it makes you feel good to imagine that you can, well you're not hurting anyone. So I was actually just telling people to leave you all alone.

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It didn't come across that way Patrick. You seemed to be saying that some of us on this thread were deluded and that the thread was nonsensical. Thanks anyway.

Whats with the trolls on this forum? This is the inner sanctum of DVs, where we get to discuss meditation, ways to meditate and beneficial effects of meditation. Because of the nature of meditation, these discussions include the brain and the imagination which has been used as a tool to meditate for thousands of years.

To suggest that the imagination is nothing but a placebo effect is like saying the imagination doesn't exist. But we humans have an imagination, it therefore exists, and has some sort of existance in our brain. In otherwords, the effects of the imagination is physical. Its been my understanding that science tells us there is a good reason why sleep paralysis happens before we dream, else our body would act out our imaginary world.

Its one thing to be skeptical about using visualization meditation over the amygdala, its another to come here and try to trash this thread and completely disrespect the discussions of this forum.

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But...you can. Clearly you aren't qualified to say what a neuroscientist would or would not scoff at.

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Nina, I'm just about to start my PhD in Neuroscience. And I'm really not a clever person, but there's a fundamental difference here between imagining activating your amygdala and getting pleasant sensations as a result (which is probably not activating your amygdala to be honest), and actually somehow thinking 'amygdala' and then that brain area lights up with miraculous activity.

However I admit I may be wrong, I'm sure a second opinion from Xei would be valuable as he is a more intelligent neuroscientist than I am.

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It's actually a relief to know the same people that reject my ideas are incapable of taking 5 seconds to perform a simple experiment or peruse a website because it's not presented in a scholarly enough fashion.

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Actually I've tried tickling my amygdala. I found I experienced a funny tingling, weightless sensation similar to that I experience when WILDing. All I can conclude from this, though, is that by thinking about it I can make myself all tingly if I want to. There is absolutely no way to correlate this with the activation of the amygdala.

But guys, I really am not trying to derail this thread or anything, I honestly think it's great that you guys are enjoying the feelings you get from this technique.

I find that to be a little patronizing though. It's like saying "Aww you guys are playing neuroscientist! How cute!" But like I said earlier, I also don't care. However, I cannot even answer your claim with the slight possibility that you're could be right, because I know this effect is causing a physiological change other than just imagining you'll feel good and then feeling good. But that's just me, I've been doing this trick for a couple days now and I've tried plenty of placebos before. I've never gotten anywhere with positive thinking. This is quite obviously different.

And it also appears that you don't know much about the amygdala by assuming it's only associated with negative thoughts because it's responsible for conditioning the mind to pain and triggering anxiety. The amygdala communicates with multiple parts of the brain, this is a trick to use the amygdala to activate the frontal lobes to greater capacity where its relation to anxiety and fight/flight is a result of its communication with the reptilian complex.

EDIT: The more I read about the frontal lobe popping, the more similarities I find between it and a DMT trip. Especially the part where it was described like a pleasure train driving through your brain.

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Actually I've tried tickling my amygdala. I found I experienced a funny tingling, weightless sensation similar to that I experience when WILDing. All I can conclude from this, though, is that by thinking about it I can make myself all tingly if I want to. There is absolutely no way to correlate this with the activation of the amygdala.

But guys, I really am not trying to derail this thread or anything, I honestly think it's great that you guys are enjoying the feelings you get from this technique.

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I experience the tingling too. Like you I can consciously make my body tingle just by thinking about it. The tingling wasn't mentioned in the book or website material that I read so the tingling was a by product that I wasnt expecting and therefore a genuine reaction to the tickling of my amygdala.

Twenty years ago Dr. James Austin, a neurologist, had a mystical experience. As a result, he did not join a religious order, nor, for that matter, did he begin one. What he did begin was a new field of scientific exploration called neurotheology.

In a nutshell, neurotheology is the study of what goes on in the human brain when one is having a peak spiritual experience. While scientists, yogis and philosophers have speculated on the biological aspects of spirituality for centuries, it is only since the advent of sophisticated brain imaging techniques that we have been able to actually see “pictures” of the brain and thus explore the physical aspects of transcendence.

In 2001, a slender volume called Why God Won’t Go Away inspired a cover article in Newsweek magazine and introduced neurotheology to the wider public. When one of the book’s authors, radiologist Dr. Andrew Newberg, hooked up a long-time Buddhist meditator to a SPECT (Single Photon Emission Computed Tomography) scanner, he discovered that a portion of his frontal lobes lit up like a Christmas tree when he was in deep meditation. This led Newberg to surmise that this area of the brain may be partially responsible for feelings of spiritual transcendence. When he tested his theory on a group of Franciscan nuns at prayer, the nuns’ scans showed similar results to those of the Buddhist meditator, adding weight to his argument.

The theory that the frontal lobes might have something to do with spirituality has been entertained at least since the nineteen-fifties, when a researcher by the name of TDA Lingo established a brain and behavior research laboratory high in the in the Colorado Rockies. Lingo came home after fighting in WWII plagued by one question: “Why must I kill my brother in war?” He attended several universities and dropped out shortly before completing his doctorate at the University of Chicago in order to pursue his studies independently. To fund his endeavour, he bought a guitar and started doing the rounds of his local clubs, eventually landing a job as host of a nationally broadcast NBC television variety show. On the last night his show was aired, he looked into the camera and asked if anyone had a mountain for sale. Someone did, and the “Dormant Brain Research and Development Center” was born on 250 acres of pristine wilderness west of Denver, Colorado, on what he would soon rename Laughing Coyote Mountain.

That was in 1957. Lingo remained on the mountain and conducted regular summer “Brain in Nature” courses for thirty-five years. There was no electricity on Laughing Coyote Mountain. Participants slept under the stars. Lingo typed their lessons on a manual typewriter and hand-cranked copies on an aging mimeograph machine. Keeping things simple was a vital part of his modus operandi.

Unconventionality was a hallmark of Lingo’s entire career, a trait that probably has something to do with why his research has been largely ignored by the scientific community to this day. What can’t be ignored is the increasing evidence that TDA Lingo may have been well ahead of his time.

Lingo focussed much of his attention on the amygdala, an almond-shaped structure (the word comes from the Greek word for almond) deep within the brain whose principle function has long been associated with triggering the “fight or flight” response to danger. For whatever reasons, scientists in Lingo’s era largely overlooked another proven function of the amygdala – to trigger ecstasy. In laboratory tests with rats in the 1950’s, researchers discovered a phenomenon they called “kindling.” Given the choice between food and excitation of regions of the amygdala and nearby structures of the brain, the rats chose excitation over food to the point of starvation. While that in itself did not prove that they were experiencing “rodent nirvana,” as Lingo colourfully put it, it did suggest that whatever they were feeling, it was good.

Lingo’s contention was that the amygdala could be consciously controlled and used to “click on” the pleasure response in the frontal lobes. Eventually, the practitioner would, as Lingo put it, “pop their frontal lobes” and experience nirvana, samadhi, or what he simply called self-transcendence. Moreover, argued Lingo, the practice was as easy as flicking on a light switch and could be done by anyone, anywhere.

That’s a big claim to make for a couple of very small organs, but recent independent research has begun to corroborate his findings. The “father” of neurotheology, James Austin, saw a critical role for the amygdala in his own experience of transcendence. Neuropsychologist Dr. Rhawn Joseph goes further and says, "These tissues, which become highly activated when we dream, when we pray or when we take drugs such as LSD, enable us to experience those realms of reality normally filtered from consciousness, including the reality of God, the spirit, the soul, and life after death."

When psychologist Sara Lazar “photographed” kundalini yoga practitioner Hari Mandir Kaur Khalsa’s brain with an fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) machine, she discovered that when Khalsa entered a deep state of meditation (as evidenced by the slowing of her breathing to four breaths per minute), her amygdala became active. This pairing of deep tranquillity with an excited amygdala seemed like a contradiction to the researcher who equated amygdaloid activity with emotional distress, but it was exactly as TDA Lingo would have predicted to be the result of “clicking forward,” as he put it.

[Please go to Scientific American Frontiers . Worried Sick. Watch Online | PBS and click on "Play Video" under the 4th show listed "Just Relax". The amygdala clicking segment is about 1/2 the way through the clip. The clip also features film of monks sitting in a 40 degree unheated hut, covered in freezing dripping wet sheets, which they they dry out with their own body heat, which they consciously raise with brain focus meditation.- N.S.]

On the down side of the amygdaloid experience, Joseph LeDoux argues in The Emotional Brain that the amygdala has “hijacked” our human brain and led to many, if not most, of the mass neuroses and psychoses of modern life. That observation too corresponds with Lingo’s hypothesis: What LeDoux describes is what Lingo called being “clicked backwards.”

While what goes on in the amygdala is actually far more complex than Lingo describes it, his hypothesis, that the organ is instrumental in producing both negative and positive emotions and, more importantly, can be consciously manipulated, is scientifically sound.

Centuries before Western science “proved” that meditation could alter brain wave patterns, practitioners verified it through direct personal experience. Many experienced meditators who have stumbled across Lingo’s work have found “amygdala clicking” to be a powerful adjunct to their regular practice and at least one professional yoga instructor has made it a regular part of his teaching, with reportedly very positive results. The bottom line is, it’s free and it’s easy, so why not give it a try?

First, a little brain biology is required. The “triune brain” is a model used to understand basic brain structure and function. In this model, the brain is viewed as consisting of three separate but interconnected parts. The oldest part is the brain stem or reptilian brain, so-called because it processes our most basic survival instincts. A common neurologists’ joke defines these as the “four F’s of reptile brain behaviour – “feeding, fighting, fleeing and reproduction.” The reptile brain is entirely “me” centered.

Next on the evolutionary scale is the limbic system or mammal brain. More advanced on the evolutionary scale than the brain stem, the limbic system is capable of emotions and enables us to function within social hierarchies. Unlike the reptile brain, the mammal brain is capable of considering the needs of others.

The largest portion of the brain, the primate brain, encases both the reptile and mammalian brains and enables us to perform sophisticated mental tasks like speech and maths. The whole front portion of the primate brain is the frontal lobes. Place your hand across your forehead and you’re grasping your frontal lobes.

For many years, the frontal lobes were thought to be largely dormant – for their mass they seemed to perform few important functions. Gradually, brain scientists came to discover that the frontal lobes are far more important than previously thought. Their contributions to our mental makeup include creativity, imagination, foresight, and the ability to empathize with others. The Tibetan Buddhist meditator in Newberg’s study demonstrated unusually high activity in the left frontal lobe while practicing a technique that involved concentration on loving compassion. In contrast, psychopaths, who by definition lack the capacity to feel empathy or compassion, have been shown to display very low levels of frontal lobe activity in brain scans. The frontal lobes, basically, seem to be the part of the brain that enables us to think outside the box of our selfish bodily needs and desires.

Lingo subscribed to the “dormant brain” theory, reasoning that not only our more noble emotions had their “home” in the frontal lobes, but that, once activated, they would prove to be where so-called paranormal powers such as intuition and telepathy could be accessed as well. Interestingly, recent studies have suggested that intuition is a testable and demonstrable phenomenon and is traceable to, yes, the frontal lobes.

Gautama Buddha argued that happiness is our natural state, but we have lost our way. The Noble Eightfold Path was designed to remove the obstacles to happiness. TDA Lingo argued that the amygdala has been socially conditioned to remain on high alert, thus blinding us to our natural potential for unlimited creative joy. Amygdala clicking was his recipe for giving us back our birthright – frontal lobes bliss.

This is how it’s done:

To locate your amygdalae (that’s the plural – there are two of them, one in each hemisphere), place your thumbs against your ears and middle fingers on the outside corners of your eyes. About 25mm inside your head from where your forefingers naturally come to rest on your temples is where your amygdalae reside.

There is an easy way to observe the amygdalae at work. There is a direct connection between the amygdala and the olfactory nerves, or sense of smell. Find something foul smelling – vinegar or rotten eggs do the trick for most people. Take a whiff. When you instinctively draw back from the source of the smell, your amygdalae are largely responsible for your feeling of repugnance. Now try the same thing with, say, a fragrant rose. What happens? A feeling of pleasure washes over you. Spring is in the air! The amygdalae have done their job once again, orchestrating the neurochemical pleasure response.

Picture your amygdalae sitting there inside your brain, hyperactively warning you to “fight or flee.” Neurons like bolts of lightning are firing madly backwards, down to your brain stem, screaming, “Go! Go! Go!” For Lingo, the trick was to get that energy flowing forward, to the “rose garden” of the frontal lobes. He and his Brain Lab students and colleagues experimented with a variety of methods to reach that goal. In the end, one of the most powerful tools he discovered was simple visualization.

Visualize a feather softly tickling the anterior (forward) part of the amygdala, first on one side, then the other. If you prefer, use a pair of feathers and do both sides at the same time. That’s all there is to it. Just remember, gentleness (you’re using a feather, not a cattle prod!) and directing energy forward, into the frontal lobes, are the keys to success.

Don’t let the almost ridiculous simplicity of the technique put you off. It really is amazingly powerful! Neil Slade, Lingo’s long-time associate, has been teaching it in classrooms, on radio, and via the internet for years. In his book, The Frontal Lobes Supercharge, he writes, “It’s the fastest way that you can start clicking forward that we’ve found. It works from the very first minute you try, and is failsafe.” He goes on to advise: “Keep tickling until you get the desired results and long lasting positive emotional feedback. The effects are progressive and cumulative.”

The results may be subtle at first. If you’re stuck in traffic (a great place to try it), you might find yourself relaxing and actually listening to a song on the radio instead of just hearing it in the background. A wave of contentment might pass over you as you realize with a flash that as long as you’re stuck in this traffic jam, you have absolutely no responsibilities. Suddenly you’re on a mini-holiday in the middle of the Sydney Harbour Bridge! Isn’t the harbour beautiful this morning!

Or the results may be more pronounced. People have reported spontaneous kundalini awakenings and other deeply transformational experiences as a result of “clicking.”

Whatever the effect, whether subtle or deeply profound, it is guaranteed to be positive. According to Lingo and an increasing number of contemporary researchers, the pleasure response is an in-built evolutionary reward for accessing our most advanced neurological potential.

TDA Lingo referred to the reptile brain as EGGS – Ego, Greed, Grasp and Suck, while the frontal lobes housed our most advanced and selfless potential. He felt that humanity is at an evolutionary crossroads. We have the choice between remaining stuck in self-destructive egotistical behaviour or evolving into a more loving, cooperative, highly evolved species he dubbed “Homo Novus” or New Humanity. It is hard to argue with his ideals – and, increasingly, it’s hard to argue with his science as well.

But Lingo remains an enigma. But maybe we don’t need to be polite. “Crazy wisdom” has a long and venerable tradition in most religions. Back in the fifteenth century, another iconoclastic character, an alchemist who called himself Paracelsus, managed to offend virtually all the medical establishment of his time, but is remembered today as one of the fathers of modern medicine. His real name was Philippus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim. Because of his outlandish behaviour, Paracelsus gave the English language a new word – bombastic. Like Paracelsus, TDA Lingo used an assumed name (his birth name was Paul Lezchuk) and also like Paracelsus, his behaviour could sometimes be described as “bombastic.” Perhaps, in time, he will also share the recognition for his achievements Paracelsus belatedly received. In the meantime, for the open-minded, an appreciation for what he had to offer may be only a “click” away.

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I find that to be a little patronizing though. It's like saying "Aww you guys are playing neuroscientist! How cute!" But like I said earlier, I also don't care. .

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My apologies.

Thanks for that post. Technique definitely works.

Didn't work for me, I dunno....

Keep trying, did you follow my tips?

Are they on page 2? I didn't read page two, I only really read the OP and a few of the first posts? But I tried exactly what the OP says. I felt a little bit warm and nice, but that always happens when I close my eyes if I'm feeling pretty good already. It's like meditative afterglow. But that happens to me if I just sit there breathing with my eyes closed.

Feeling warm and nice is a good sign. Keep practicing!!!

It is most definitely a post meditative feeling, but without having to meditate.

Concentration does not seem to come along with this new skill automatically, though. Along with accessing more commend over your frontal lobes, I believe it's also necessary to train your focus. So this activity cannot replace proper meditation. So far, I haven't seen the website mention this necessity but I've experienced my awareness beginning to overcrowd my concentration in the last few days.

The two should be mutually beneficial.

The descriptions of this frontal lobe "popping" sounds like something I've been able to do for a good while (at least 4 or 5 years). To quote myself from the Adrenaline Rush at Will? thread,

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I've experienced two phenomena similar to the descriptions everyone has posted in this thread, although it sounds like some are describing one and others describing the other.

To induce an adrenaline rush, having played football, it helps most to envision myself quite honestly just doing awesome while playing, or really any daydream scenario in which I do something that requires physical action and awesomeness. The feeling is literally identical to adrenaline, and I've never questioned whether it was or wasn't. My hands get cold and clammy, I get a bit shaky, my heart beats a lot faster, and I breathe faster. I also get the specific adrenaline feeling, idk how to really describe it, but it's highly distinctive and it's one in the same.

The second feeling begins in the base of my neck. It sounds more like what people have been describing is Qi. It's like I think of certain things that are enjoyable (nothing in specific, it just happens) or kind of just focus on this feeling in my spine, though mostly in my neck, and it's as if a surge of tingly (not painful, more like almost euphoric) electrical energy jolts down my spine. The feeling spreads, mostly over my head, and is very tingly but it makes me feel very awake and aware. Usually the "jolt" is strong enough that I contort my body in some way, usually just my neck. Kind of what a tic would look like I guess. I've learned to do it without contorting so much, just a very limited movement in my neck when it occurs. The tingly feeling usually lasts 4 or 5 seconds.

The two might both be a result of adrenaline, but the latter does not have the distinctive feeling of adrenaline at all. I feel like the first is legitimately inducing an adrenaline rush, and the second is... something entirely different. I spoke to my friends about it once and they said every once in a while it happens to them (they said nothing of inducing it), and they referred to it as a "brain tickle".

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Thinking about it, having read what frontal lobe popping is by a google search, that seems to be what I'm experiencing. I had a suspicion that it may be the same thing the OP and OD were experiencing, but I didn't have solid descriptions to go off of until now.

However, I still find it very hard to believe that the feeling is caused by the mechanism being put forth. I really don't see why it's so hard to accept that you might not actually be activating the amygdala and stimulating the frontal lobe. Perhaps it could be, or perhaps you're merely stimulating the frontal lobe alone. I'm just very very confused as to how you're arriving at such a conclusion. Being a person who has never heard of this and has achieved the effect by thinking of the base of my neck (as in near the c1 and c2 vertebrae as you can see here), what reason is there to believe the amygdala is responsible? Before, all you knew was you tried what this guy said and he said to think of the amygdala. Given my case, why can't it be the brain stem (as I never thought of the amygdala or thought of the inside of my brain)? Or why is it not simply tactile sensation? It could be a lot of things, but asserting it's this one very specific thing makes little sense without brain scans to back it up.

It's not hard to accept that it may not be the amygdala. It's hard to accept that it's not a physiological occurrence. I don't believe that this is being caused by wishful thinking, whatever's taking place.

But anyways, what you're describing doesn't appear to fully coincide with the experiment. And furthermore, there are brainscans. If I posted one, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to someone who isn't a neuroscientist. But the information is that amygdala activity increases during meditation. The religious or transcendental experience itself is caused by the amygdala overloading the frontal lobes. This has been confirmed by EEGs for some time.

And lastly, multiple experiments have been done on the issue. TD Lingo did not start with tickling the amygdala, see a positive response and use confirmation bias for the rest. The amygdala tickling exercise emerged from strenuous and diverse exercises and ended up proving to be the easiest and most effective.

Question, in an interview Neil Slade explains

"Purely self-centered gratification that does not involve CICIL (cooperation-imagination-creativity-intuition-logic) frontal lobe behaviors inevitably leads to short-circuiting of the pleasure responses in the brain and amygdala... Clicking the amygdala is similar to the ignition switch in your car, you have to turn it on to get things going. But if you don't leave your driveway, you won't get anywhere... the trick in proper and continuing amygdala positive response is to keep growing, rather than rerunning the same program. Nature rewards new life sustaining thought and behavior with amygdala pleasure response."

Could you explain to me what he means by growth and by involving CICIL? Do I need to apply my increased frontal lobe activity toward a purpose? I don't really understand.

Im going thorugh the 'Frontal Lobes Supercharge' book again for some more specific text on the processes of tickling the amygdala to paraphrase and post here. Clicking the amygdala forward is not meant to be a goal in itself, it is not just a novelty. The goal is to achieve a fronal lobes 'Big Bang', as Neil Slade puts it, which on average takes three to five years of regular amygdala clicking.

I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't simply build up a tolerance and then lose the ability. Perhaps the change is simply more noticeable at first but once it becomes habitual you only notice when you haven't clicked for a while, rather than when you have clicked.

I want to ensure to myself that I am progressing forward, I suppose.

Just read through the whole thread and I find it interesting the whole range of responses.

I believe that it is possible in some way to stimulate areas of the brain, for one thing I've had some... mixed results in doing just this, and the anecdotal evidence from members such as Robot_Butler and Nina (whose thread http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/quickl...ons-ld-107643/ should be required reading for everyone who has posted in this thread). The brain may not be mapped in the corticol homunculus but perhaps there is specific self-image for the brain?

That being said the amygdala are primarily involved in fear/pain responses, communicating stimuli travelling from the brainstem (and CNS) to other areas of the brain. I could only think that 'activation' would lead to a higher incidence of nightmares.

Lucid dreamers like to try to attach lucid dreaming to something physical in the brain. That's natural, psychologists try to do it all the time, it's how neuroscience came about.
But there's a term in debating for when you make the logical error of trying to attach a concept that is wholly abstract to a concrete object: 'reification'.
If there is an organ of the brain responsible for lucid dreaming and spiritual phenomena then where does it lie? The amygdala? The dorso-lateral prefrontal cortex? The pineal gland?
What if lucid dreaming really is a purely psychological function, a construct of brain chemistry and neurons in the forebrain? It's good to be curious, to seek answers and apply science where possible.

But Neil Slade really is dealing in pseudo science, it's really no closer to any falsifiable evidence than physiognomy or phrenology.

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The resultant increases in intelligence, creativity, and positive emotions were demonstrated and measured by a variety of objective and subjective means, standardized tests and analysis methods. Lingo reports that this included 10 to 40 point increases on the Stanford-Binet I.Q. test, and 500% to 1400% increases on the Getzels-Jackson Creativity Index.

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Sorry, but this is bullshit of the highest degree, a 10-40 point increase in IQ? Why isn't the entire psychological establishment aware of this miracle? And increases of 500-1400%? That's in the realm of fantasy, no psychological study ever has yielded results so disproportionately significant, a study over 30 years with 300 participants? Most studies of that nature find it difficult to get significant results at all. It really smacks of poorly carried out research, did he even use a stats test?
More importantly what was your source for that little gem?

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That being said the amygdala are primarily involved in fear/pain responses, communicating stimuli travelling from the brainstem (and CNS) to other areas of the brain. I could only think that 'activation' would lead to a higher incidence of nightmares.

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And also pleasure responses too. Smell some dog faeces and we instinctively want to recoil from it. Smell roses and we feel pleasing emotions. This is the amygdala in action in essence switching back and forth to provide either pleasing or painful emotions. It is postulated the amygdalas' main purpose is to provide a fight/flight safety mechanism through the olfactory nerves which are directly linked to the amygdala's.

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If there is an organ of the brain responsible for lucid dreaming and spiritual phenomena then where does it lie? The amygdala? The dorso-lateral prefrontal cortex? The pineal gland?
What if lucid dreaming really is a purely psychological function, a construct of brain chemistry and neurons in the forebrain? It's good to be curious, to seek answers and apply science where possible.

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Good question. Omnis Dei experienced a profound result from 'clicking' his amygdalas just by thought alone. It would be wonderful if we could do this with perhaps another part of the brain to induce lucidity.

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Sorry, but this is bullshit of the highest degree, a 10-40 point increase in IQ? Why isn't the entire psychological establishment aware of this miracle? And increases of 500-1400%? That's in the realm of fantasy, no psychological study ever has yielded results so disproportionately significant, a study over 30 years with 300 participants? Most studies of that nature find it difficult to get significant results at all. Did he even use a stats test?
More importantly what was your source for that little gem?

How is a 500-1400% increase possible on any scale? Google searching 'Getzel-Jackson Creativity Index' only yields results related to Neil Slade. Yeah...

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Interesting. The psychological establishment I think is aware that the auditing process of Dianetics has a profound result on increasing IQ's. I don't know if any serious studies have been done on this & haven't anything to back this up but I have no doubt for one moment that amygdala 'clicking' will result in better brain/mind function and an increased result in IQ gain.

I'm finding this a bit difficult as I can't recall what the feeling of being tickled by a feather is. Also how long do you have to apply the visualisation before the "click" happens?

Also has anyone tried this exercise with a WBTB? If its true that this causes the amygdala to send a mass of electrical impulses to the forebrain this could possibly be an excellent technique for fostering increased awareness in dreams.

Sorry for the double post but I decided to abandon the feather and instead visualise my index finger wiggling against it. I'm feeling quite strange, I can't say if its good strange or bad strange but I doubt that such an abstract visualization can elict this kind of feeling through placebo especially as its nothing like what I predicted.

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Sorry for the double post but I decided to abandon the feather and instead visualise my index finger wiggling against it. I'm feeling quite strange, I can't say if its good strange or bad strange but I doubt that such an abstract visualization can elict this kind of feeling through placebo especially as its nothing like what I predicted.

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If I remember correctly what matters is getting the tickling sensation. Imagining the feather alone doesn't seem to work. Adding the sensation of tickling does. Keep us updated on what you experience. If the imagined sensation of tickling is strong then the rsults are immediate. You may have to aquire a feather to feel the sensation.

I had to stop my attempt before but I'm going to try again. Thanks for answering my questions. One last highly pedantic query: do you have to visualise tickling on both the right and left amygdala?

Edit: never mind the question, I read up a bit more on this and it says that its not really necessary to visualise the tickling on both amygdalas.

Ok I tried this again a while back and while I don't think I've quite succeeded in "clicking" yet (I'm awful at tactile visualisation and visualisation in general...), that strange feeling came back again onky stronger this time. I think I can finally articulate the sensation better. It felt kind of like how a crush feels with a warmth that seemed to emenate in my torso and the stomach. It was a feeling that was somehow sexual without being actually sexual. I think I also felt that tension Omnis Dei was eluding to, as if I was dipping my head in a deep well. I think I have to calm my thoughts a bit before my next attempt as my mental vocalising is distracting me from the visualisation. Since I don't actually have a feather with me what I'm doing is lightly brushing my index finger against my cheek untill I get a strong tickle sensation. Then I assign that tickle feeling to the imaginary feather I'm brushing my amygdala with. I think this is a decent improvisation.

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Ok I tried this again a while back and while I don't think I've quite succeeded in "clicking" yet (I'm awful at tactile visualisation and visualisation in general...), that strange feeling came back again onky stronger this time. I think I can finally articulate the sensation better. It felt kind of like how a crush feels with a warmth that seemed to emenate in my torso and the stomach. It was a feeling that was somehow sexual without being actually sexual. I think I also felt that tension Omnis Dei was eluding to, as if I was dipping my head in a deep well. I think I have to calm my thoughts a bit before my next attempt as my mental vocalising is distracting me from the visualisation. Since I don't actually have a feather with me what I'm doing is lightly brushing my index finger against my cheek untill I get a strong tickle sensation. Then I assign that tickle feeling to the imaginary feather I'm brushing my amygdala with. I think this is a decent improvisation.

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You may be making this harder than it is, just try using your imagination rather than creating a strong visualisation. Your improvisation sounds good. I have found from experience if I get the tickling sensation just right then the results are the most powerful. The tickling technique is just one of many that Lingo and Slade experimented with. They found that it was the best universal technique for amygdala 'clicking'.

I know that meditation has been shown to change activation of different regions of the brain, such as the amygdala and frontal lobes, but when people are meditating, they aren't imagining tickling sensation on the brain. Did they ever conduct fMRI on someone doing this task to verify that its actually doing what it claims? It would be very simple to do and would help clear up a lot of skepticism. To me this idea of "activating your own brain" seems unfounded, and you can't really conclude that because meditation causes certain brain activations, imagining you're tickling your brain causes the same activation. They're two entirely different activities.

I tried it. And it worked. I was laughing, almost uncontrollably, and felt a warm, fuzzy feeling like I just heard a hilarious joke. It was probably the most sincere laughter I've ever felt, not that fake giggle you do when someone tells a joke that's not really funny but you want to laugh so it's not awkward. It was kind of weird. :/

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I tried it. And it worked. I was laughing, almost uncontrollably, and felt a warm, fuzzy feeling like I just heard a hilarious joke. It was probably the most sincere laughter I've ever felt, not that fake giggle you do when someone tells a joke that's not really funny but you want to laugh so it's not awkward. It was kind of weird. :/

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Amazing isn't it!

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Amazing isn't it!

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Sure is. I was kind of folliwing along as I read the instructions, so when it happened I was like "h-huh?" Then I read on and you said I should feel exactly how I felt. >w<

Can anyone confirm if the sensation is like ASMR (Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response)? This feels like lots of intense bubbles are erupting and fizzing over the somatosensory cortex. And it feels amazing - You could say, in a way, it's like a 'brain orgasm'. This is very real, and very intense, and yet as far as I'm aware, no scientific studies exist on this phenomenon. Project anyone? ^_^

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This the same or what?

It's not the same. I know what you're talking about and I actually get that alot, though I have no idea why. It seems that sensation is often caused by watching really epic scenes in movies and stuff though. Like a brain tingling. This amygdala thing is like a surge of happiness more than a pleasurable tingle. It makes you want to laugh, rather than making your scalp hair stand on end.

Man I'm finding it really difficult to get consistent results with this and I still haven't accomplish the "click" yet. I recall mention of alternate techniques from you mcwillis, care to share please?

Do any of you have mirror-touch synaesthesia? Quite a few people do, but aren't aware it's not normal. If I watch someone being stabbed or cut in a particular region, I feel a somewhat diminished response in the corresponding area on my body. Without an external stimulus evoking that, it can also be effected by strong 'visualisation' of a physical sensation in a particular area. I'm wondering if the people this works for, possibly have this, and the ones it doesn't, do not.

It's clear if you do - watching any films with intense, physical body reactions, e.g. fighting, car crashes, visceral murders will have a sort of added realism to 'em.

I'll give this a go based on the above. Strongly visualising a tickling sensation should effect that sensation, especially if you've mirror-touch synaesthesia.

I don't think its necessary to have mirror-touch synaesthesia in order to be able to utilize the imagination for a real effect on the body. As I explained previously, we don't need an attractive, naked person to exist in reality in order to get an erection. The body is unable to tell the difference between imagination and reality, whether or not someone has mirror-touch synaesthesia.

But in answer to your question, no. I have intense empathy but not to the extent of MTS. If I had MTS I wouldn't be able to watch nearly as many violent movies as I do.

Fair point about the imagined woman and erection.

So far this is difficult, I assume, because it's difficult to readily visualise this area, and to imagine 'truly' the sensation of a tickling feather. I will give it the benefit of the doubt and look at some diagrams, and I'll tickle myself with a real feather to facilitate my attempt.

That may help, at this point it would be difficult for me to walk you through the process because I've reached unconscious competence. But I'll try to break it down.

The tickle sensation is meant to create an extremely light, soft sort of tingle. It is meant to direct focus on the amygdala in a soft way. I don't know the proper terminology to use, because while what we are actually doing is stimulating the amygdala to activate the frontal lobes, it feels more like opening a valve and allowing warmth to flow into the frontal lobes. But this feeling isn't forced. It almost seems like they're constipated, and we are relaxing them. Finding them in your brain can be helpful. It may be helpful to relax and be aware of the brain for several minutes. When aware of the brain, one becomes aware of all sorts of typically automatic functions that we actually have control over.

What side did you have success with?

Ok, this is rather bizarre, indeed. I'm not getting any sense of happiness or pleasure, but visualising the tickling sensation makes me repeatedly yawn. This is apparently a sign of 'activation'.

I don't know what's going on or what to believe, but one thing is certain so far... I can make myself yawn repeatedly through visualisation.

Edit: lol this phenomenon alone is mental, I've yawned about 30 times now. As soon as I think about it, it happens. Interesting....

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What side did you have success with?

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It was the right side for me.

I first had success with my right side but now I can do either.

I don't know what to tell you wolfwood, keep experimenting.

can anyone help me with this,
i can't get the feeling that i activated it.

(a picture would be nice showing where the amygdala is from the outside of the head)

how do u guys activating it and locating it?
i read that you need to put your thumb in your ear and your middle finger in the inner eye corner, and where your index finger is is your amygdala but when i do it my index finger is really far from the amygdala

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Can anyone confirm if the sensation is like ASMR (Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response)? This feels like lots of intense bubbles are erupting and fizzing over the somatosensory cortex. And it feels amazing - You could say, in a way, it's like a 'brain orgasm'. This is very real, and very intense, and yet as far as I'm aware, no scientific studies exist on this phenomenon. Project anyone? ^_^

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Funny you should post this. This sounds 100% like what I described on the last page. May not be this amygdala tickling everyone is talking about, but it's neat to be able to put a name to what I feel. Even some of the triggers match up, though now I can trigger it on my own sometimes.

Strange, I have no clue how I could possibly trigger that tingle, but I can easily trigger pleasure by tickling my amygdala.

Be careful guys, if you're actually activating pleasure pathways in your brain by mental thought alone, overstimulation of this region may have addictive properties (which can cause a whole host of other problems). Activities that cause an easy release in dopamine tend to be activities that have the highest danger of addiction, such as video gaming, junk food, sex, gambling, cigarettes.

You will find if you attempt to over-stimulate the amygdala, the return depreciates. This, I noticed rather quickly. I mostly use it just in the morning to jump-start my good mood. But if you don't want the return to depreciate, you have to perform activities which stimulate your frontal lobes more such as doing something creative, intelligent or empathetic.

By stimulating the frontal lobes, you are performing something evolutionarily beneficial. You are making yourself a more fit organism, and what you receive from that is a reward to positively reinforce the behavior. The stimulation of the frontal lobe is not purely to make you feel pleasure, it's to make your frontal lobe more active and to put more focus on it. Accomplishing this, you receive a genetically engineered reward for the behavior. Accomplishing this and then not doing anything with your frontal lobes, this reward will depreciate.

This is interesting! I find myself laughing even though I'm not looking at anything funny right now. Just imagining the tickling sensation in that area makes me laugh, is this it? I've just been skimming through most of this thread so I'll have to go back and check out the research on this.

Happy to see people discussing amygdala self-stimulation. Viewzone has posted the newest article that I've written on this subject, and it clarifies many points. Please take a look at the Viewzone site, under "Tickle Your Amygdala" in newest posts. viewzone.com/amygdala2012/index.html

This is a subject I've been investigating and writing about for 35 years. There are a great many misconceptions about what the amygdala does, and how it fits into the picture of brain and behavior modification-- as well as more esoteric - yet still important- tangents, such as dreaming, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, paranormal processes, etc. I've done my best to approach all of these things in a rational and scientific method- and still have fun with it.

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Neil Slade
NeilSlade.com

neilslade.com/TickleYourAmygdalabook.html

Absolutely awesome dude to see you here. I got your email the other day about your new book :)

And also a big thanks to the DV tech admins as Neil probably wouldn't have found this site if it wasn't for DV's Search Engine Friendly url's and Search Engine Optimisation.

EDIT I hope you join in the forum Neil and that your post isn't just to advertise your work as that might upset the moderators.

Mcwillis,

I mentioned the article on Viewzone, because it's free, as is the info on my site. (Yes, I also write books on the subject that are regular published books) I've provided hundreds of online papers, and I don't charge for people to read my posts or articles online. And you don't have to buy anything anywhere to learn or understand how to engage brain self-control.

From time to time, I go online and see what people are talking about in regard to the amygdala and such, and so this forum came up. As a rule, I don't butt into forums that much, but rather just point people in the direction of resources that I might be providing, or try to clarify some points about this whole business of amygdala self-stimulation and what it really means. I prefer to leave people to discuss and criticize on their own- alas, because some people would think that my participation in forums is just to advertise something I might have written.

But people can email me any time, and my email address is not hard to find. I answer all of my emails, usually within a few hours.

Thanks again- and like I pointed out, I think its really cool that people are talking about amygdala tickling and clicking all over the place- it's YOUR amazing brain adventure after all-

Neil

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You will find if you attempt to over-stimulate the amygdala, the return depreciates. This, I noticed rather quickly. I mostly use it just in the morning to jump-start my good mood. But if you don't want the return to depreciate, you have to perform activities which stimulate your frontal lobes more such as doing something creative, intelligent or empathetic.

By stimulating the frontal lobes, you are performing something evolutionarily beneficial. You are making yourself a more fit organism, and what you receive from that is a reward to positively reinforce the behavior. The stimulation of the frontal lobe is not purely to make you feel pleasure, it's to make your frontal lobe more active and to put more focus on it. Accomplishing this, you receive a genetically engineered reward for the behavior. Accomplishing this and then not doing anything with your frontal lobes, this reward will depreciate.

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Perfectly understood- it's great to see that people have a good understanding of the process.- N.S.

This all sounds like a unusual sensation, I think i've naturaly done stuff like this before. I'l give it a try
On a side note I might try tickle other parts of my brain to see what kind of sensations I get.

Where exactly is this area of the brain. I think id have a much better experience if i could focus on the correct spot first :p

Okay, I've tried this out several times. The first few times nothing happened. I actually went to Youtube and saw an interview with Neil Slade, and tried it again with him guiding the procedure. This time I had an uncontrollable urge to laugh, and it was non-stop for almost a minute. I think it was the way he described the 'feather' going through your forehead, through the frontal lobe. The first few times i imagined it from the sides. Is this the typical result of this technique?

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Have you ever, even once in your life, given an idea the benefit of the doubt before dismissing it? Have you ever, even once, experimented with a concept or exercise that hasn't been excessively verified? There's no danger is playing with doubt, you know.

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For someone like Xei he's so certain that only the truth of highly experimented concepts or excessively verified things are allowed. Almost completely the same as a staunch Christian so certain in his faith; of course.. Xei has a better leg to stand on.. but he's so certain that life has no meaning that anything strange is immediately dismissed.

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Now that I know how to do it, it's almost too easy for the positive effect it has. How can your imagination make you feel so wonderful?

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Ask a child pre-2000.

Maybe it's just my imagination, but when I think of a feather passing through, I get a slight tingling sensation. But when I think of a hand pushing through, a few seconds later I sort of get that heavy (slightly disorienting) feeling you get when a marijuana high starts to hit you full on. I'd assume that if I were to imagine a fist punching through, the sensation would be even stronger.

this helped me alot
Supercharge Your Brain - YouTube

do what he says but watch the whole vid

hold on a minute...

this technique activates the frontal lobe.
the frontal lobe is the center of your awareness.
awareness is the key to WILD and lucid dreaming in general.

Am i seeing an awesome connection here?

Hint: i think a very fun ADA tech is on its way!!!

Claimer: its mine. dont rip me off. and all the credit goes to mcwillis and Neil Slade.

mcwillis in no way am i trying to piss u off. i will await your consent.

Wow this is amazing I've been doing it all day since reading this. If you can focus on both sides at the same time it's almost euphoric giddiness

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hold on a minute...

this technique activates the frontal lobe.
the frontal lobe is the center of your awareness.
awareness is the key to WILD and lucid dreaming in general.

Am i seeing an awesome connection here?

Hint: i think a very fun ADA tech is on its way!!!

Claimer: its mine. dont rip me off. and all the credit goes to mcwillis and Neil Slade.

mcwillis in no way am i trying to piss u off. i will await your consent.

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In another thread of mine this did lead to a wonderful night of lucid dreams for one poster, but it only occured once :( You haven't pissed me off at all :)

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In another thread of mine this did lead to a wonderful night of lucid dreams for one poster, but it only occured once :( You haven't pissed me off at all :)

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ok, i just didnt want to steal or anything

i need help ive only done it once and it was while watching the video i posted.
i cant seem to get it for some reason. are you supposed to actually picture it or just pretend you're holding a feather.
And is there a limit to the amount of times in a row you can do it?

Hahahahaha. all these comments seem so freaking funny. needless to say it worked.

I have always concentrated on random parts of my brain trying to relax. If I pay attention, I can almost feel what parts of my brain are active, so imagining my brain calming always seems to calm me. Anyways, that made this technique really ridiculously easy. :rolllaugh:

Does it stop being effective?

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Then imagine about an inch inside of your skull at the halfway point that there is a piece of brain that is about the size and shape of an almond. I find it helpful to imagine that it is shiny, like it has been varnished.

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The key word here is IMAGINE. It's not a real amygdala, and there's no way you could actually feel a part of your brain. You're working with an object of your imagination, to which you ascribe unreal mystic qualities.

Whatever happens from then on is a placebo effect.

P.S.

Just in case, maybe amygdala does have real mystic qualities. But my point is that this isn't working with it, it's working with an imaginary amygdala. I've never heard scientists say that you can activate a brain region just by imagining it in your head.

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The key word here is IMAGINE. It's not a real amygdala, and there's no way you could actually feel a part of your brain. You're working with an object of your imagination, to which you ascribe unreal mystic qualities.

Whatever happens from then on is a placebo effect.

P.S.

Just in case, maybe amygdala does have real mystic qualities. But my point is that this isn't working with it, it's working with an imaginary amygdala. I've never heard scientists say that you can activate a brain region just by imagining it in your head.

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Well, somebody needs to brighten up;)

And if you want to hear the scientist literally say that you can activate a brain region just by imagining it then here you go!
Supercharge Your Brain - YouTube

Watch it and weep

It's not like I'm grim or moody, I just find it hard to believe that, say, thinking about a bone inside of your right hand causes you to activate that bone, etc.

There are many people who pretend to be scientific because it's trendy and authoritative, but they either don't know what they're talking about or deceive others intentionally. Like this video you linked me to.

What I read about hemispheres in normal books points out the fact that the hype about them isn't accurate. And when one talks about amygdala, he uses THREE unproven concepts:
1) amygdala has mystic qualities,
2) amygdala can be accurately "located" in your own head by pure imagination,
3) amygdala can be activated in your head if located by focusing on it.

It's not like I'm looking to put people down and take away their methods to lucid dream or whatever. I'd like to discover real methods, that's all. If this stuff works as a placebo effect, it's a nice opportunity to create something more direct and fast. After we learn what it is about the placebo effect that makes it work, maybe we could use it without all the fake explanations, directly, and without depending on strength of our belief. Wouldn't you want something like that?

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It's not like I'm grim or moody, I just find it hard to believe that, say, thinking about a bone inside of your right hand causes you to activate that bone, etc.

There are many people who pretend to be scientific because it's trendy and authoritative, but they either don't know what they're talking about or deceive others intentionally. Like this video you linked me to.

What I read about hemispheres in normal books points out the fact that the hype about them isn't accurate. And when one talks about amygdala, he uses THREE unproven concepts:
1) amygdala has mystic qualities,
2) amygdala can be accurately "located" in your own head by pure imagination,
3) amygdala can be activated in your head if located by focusing on it.

It's not like I'm looking to put people down and take away their methods to lucid dream or whatever. I'd like to discover real methods, that's all. If this stuff works as a placebo effect, it's a nice opportunity to create something more direct and fast. After we learn what it is about the placebo effect that makes it work, maybe we could use it without all the fake explanations, directly, and without depending on strength of our belief. Wouldn't you want something like that?

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Excuse the misunderstanding.

1)not true
2)not true
3)true- ive done it and many others on this thread have too, i dont see why thats so hard to grasp...? None of us actually thought it was going to work, as seen in the first page or two of posts, but it did.

And the bone example sounded, well, for the lack of words, dumb: The function of the bone is to support and create a joint in your hand. There is nothing to activate in the first place. On the contrary, the amygdala's function is to reward the brain/ punish the brain for good and bad factors that affect survival. For example, honey smells good because it happens to be a high energy source. Shit smells like shit because it's nearly 50% bacteria, and if you ate that, you could die.

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Wow... Just... Wow

Suffice to say it worked.

Lol, it reeeeaaaaally worked.

Now I can't stop laughing

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Wow! I was trying it, i didn't read any other posts apart from the original post and when i tried it i started laughing! I looked down at the comments and saw this!! :D

I can't seem to make this work.
I don't know if i'm overthinking it, or i just can't properly imagine the sensation, but i really want it to work.

God. Some people on here act like they'd have to give an arm or a leg to even try this.
None of us are losing anything when extreme skeptics walk away. It's not like anyone is trying to take anything from you.
Regardless, it works. And it gives a very easy and detailed explanation of how and why it works, and how to try it for yourself.

For those of you who are having trouble:

Your nose is directly connected to your Amygdala. The Amygdala, an evolutionary feature, is the part of your brain that decides whether something you interact with is beneficial or not.
Start by switching your Amygdala off and on by using your nose.
Smell something unpleasant like garbage, then switch to smelling something pleasant.

The pleasant smell will elicit a sensation that travels down from your ears to your neck- it will make your mouth water.
You'll know when it's switched forward. Notice how it changes when you smell something unpleasant again.

Combine this experience with the shared knowledge of the Amygdala's location ( inside the head, a little bit in front of the ear)
and... Good luck! :]

Thanks SzuruDusk, that helps a lot. :)

Hey, guys is this really working for you? I am trying it and so far no success. How do you exactly do it?

1. Are you seeing side of your head from third person while imagining this feather tickling the almond or more like in meditation you are just being aware of the place and then only imagine feather?
2. How long did you have to practice to achieve results?
3. How does it feel, is it super strong happines feeling or just plain normal?

1. It is most important to imagine the sensation of being tickled by a father. Visualization is unimportant.
2. Practice was unnecessary after I discovered how the technique works.
3. You feel noticeably happy.

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1. It is most important to imagine the sensation of being tickled by a father. Visualization is unimportant.
2. Practice was unnecessary after I discovered how the technique works.
3. You feel noticeably happy.

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I see, so I have to concentrate on the feeling itself. What about the location? I am assuming that I should concentrate feeling in the right location, yes?

yes, imagine the feeling as if a feather tickled you one inch in on either side of your skull.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...doverbrain.png

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Hahahahaha. all these comments seem so freaking funny.

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LOL I was just thinking the same. I just found the thread accidentally and when I went to see people's impressions on this I just stumbled across this wave of attacks between forum members.

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yes, imagine the feeling as if a feather tickled you one inch in on either side of your skull.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...doverbrain.png

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Thanks I will try it out tomorrow.

Why not now?

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Why not now?

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I was at work and just got up now :)

I do it at work all the time

I've been trying it but there was too much distraction so I had no success. I felt a bit more relaxed and slightly happier but nothing out of the ordinary. I will keep trying, from what I have read so far it is well worth it :)

It's not difficult, but it is a little tricky. If it's not working, you're not doing it right and trying the same thing will not work. Go find yourself a feather and tickle yourself with it so you can remember what the sensation feels like. Then try to imagine that sensation tickling the front of your amygdala.

Indeed tricky it is, I have been trying for an hour and nothing, I must have no gift for this. I tried to imagine the feeling which I have before felt on the hand and nothing. It's a shame, I must be bad in imagining things it seems but I will keep trying.

Hm. I can't figure out how to help you because I can't figure out what you're doing wrong.

First be aware of both amygdalae. Feel them in your head. Maintain focus on them, pick one and place a light, fuzzy sensation on the front of it.

I visualize a feather because it helps to create the sensation of being tickled, but the detail of the visualization only happens for a half a second, because the reaction will be instant. Its more important to find the correct position and capture the feeling of being tickled. If you can capture that feeling for a split second, you will feel the floodgates squeak open.

I am absolutely positive you can do this, by the way.

Original Poster, First I really appreciate your help on this, so thank you.

Maybe I am not concentrating on the right location or even not concentrating strong enough. I have looked around on the web, how to locate where this amygdala actually is and according to Neil Slade it is where I put a red dot on the image below. Some other Dr on the YouTube pointed it to be where I put the green dot, he said it is at the intersection lines from eye and ear. Than some other woman was tickling the center of the head. anyway according to your experience which color dot would you think it is?

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I am not going to give up on this so easily ;)

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to do this. But for those who have experienced this and are able to do it, try using the same method again but imagine it being sliced or a sharp pain. I'd be interested to read the results ;)

renton- the blue dot

araishu- I actually got the same result, any attempt to stimulate anything on the front of my amygdalae causes them to click forward. However, if I imagine simply poking them, I receive no result. It is the imagine of a sensation of some type that clicks them.

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renton- the blue dot

araishu- I actually got the same result, any attempt to stimulate anything on the front of my amygdalae causes them to click forward. However, if I imagine simply poking them, I receive no result. It is the imagine of a sensation of some type that clicks them.

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Interesting, so it would appear that any kind of sharp/shocking stimulation could be used to activate them. Thanks for trying it out :)

It was considerably weaker to be honest. But yes, it makes little difference what type of sensation you place on the amygdalae, they will react to it.

Ill give it a try just because it's unique and post my results.

After contemplating this for a bit, I do believe this can work, and let me explain why.

Take for example, the pinel gland (third eye chakra) correlation.

I don't know how many people here meditate actively , but I would assume a large portion.

Anyways my theory is, that if you can activate your pineal gland, (which I have) over 7 years ago, and use your third eye psychic center, then why is this any less possible to achieve?

Ever since I have activated my third eye, I have the strobe light pulsations from the third eye (pineal gland) basically every day, just from closing my eyes, not even always meditating, just from being relaxed, and this by no means is a placebo.

So with all this in mind, I do believe there is relevance to this method and I am very excited to see where it goes. I did take a few seconds to try and stimulate it on my right side, and I found sensations from just above the temple area. I will continue to work with this and target these areas and explore other regions if need be.

venn99, I hope you will succeed :),

I just started to meditate myself not long ago just about a month ago. After maybe second or third time I have meditated I started to notice/be aware of my brain activity in a way of tingling sensations, at first only the frontal lobe but then it spread all over my head. After a week or so, the feeling increased to the point that it became a pressure, and it was the most pronounced in the temples. One time it came to the point that I was kind of drifting away but the feeling suddenly became so strong, it scared me of, I thought if I continue I will get stroke or something it was quite painful to be honest.

I still keep trying to tingle my amygdala by doing my meditation and just before I finish it, when my concentration is at its highest then I try, unfortunately I still had no luck.

Has anyone here had any experience with magnetic pulsers? they look quite interesting, I first have found about them on this post "how i raised consciousness using a magnetic pulser - David Icke's Official Forums". It is very interesting read. I am thinking about version based on the original Koren's Helmet (a.k.a. god's helmet) "8 Coil Shakti Magnetic Brain Stimulation. Koren Helmet. Persinger", it is quite expensive though.

I also started to read Science and the Akashic Field by Ervin Laszlo, you should have a look at it.

Guys have a look at the following video is very interesting, it's a lecture, by neuroscientist Todd Murphy, he talks about the subject of Enlightenment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqrpK...9znTp8&index=2

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venn99, I hope you will succeed :),

I just started to meditate myself not long ago just about a month ago. After maybe second or third time I have meditated I started to notice/be aware of my brain activity in a way of tingling sensations, at first only the frontal lobe but then it spread all over my head. After a week or so, the feeling increased to the point that it became a pressure, and it was the most pronounced in the temples. One time it came to the point that I was kind of drifting away but the feeling suddenly became so strong, it scared me of, I thought if I continue I will get stroke or something it was quite painful to be honest.

I still keep trying to tingle my amygdala by doing my meditation and just before I finish it, when my concentration is at its highest then I try, unfortunately I still had no luck.

Has anyone here had any experience with magnetic pulsers? they look quite interesting, I first have found about them on this post "how i raised consciousness using a magnetic pulser - David Icke's Official Forums". It is very interesting read. I am thinking about version based on the original Koren's Helmet (a.k.a. god's helmet) "8 Coil Shakti Magnetic Brain Stimulation. Koren Helmet. Persinger", it is quite expensive though.

I also started to read Science and the Akashic Field by Ervin Laszlo, you should have a look at it.

Guys have a look at the following video is very interesting, it's a lecture, by neuroscientist Todd Murphy, he talks about the subject of Enlightenment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqrpKUTMXgY&list=PLW62hxifbe1_71BshkU3L6rg VjD9znTp8&index=2

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We'll here is the thing. Don't give up just immediately. It took me weeks if not a month or two to actually activate my third eye. It actually took a kundalini awakening experience to be able to use it like I do today daily, but now it is fully activated and I can use it whenever as long as I work with my energy and focus to accomplish any task. It does take a lot of work and attunement to do things like telepathy, teleportation, telekensis and so on and so forth, but i am not willing to do all the work to experience these things but I know that they are possible with an activated chakra system and third eye. I am finding more and more my abilities are coming naturally though conscious awareness. I did at one point spend 2 years as a vegan , meditating and doing psychic readings for a living when I realized my true potential. Since then I have just been living my life normally. During that time I had to be very segregated from society and energies to be able to exerperience what I did and since then had decided if I am going to make all those things work they have to be able to be integrated into normal living.

Now back to the amygdala . I had a power nap this morning. Before that I did do some "feathering". I also did some general exercises that I came up with on my own like using my third eye pulses to generally massage all areas of my brain, frontal lobes, amygdala and just generally all over. Because if focusing on glands can have an affect, so should focusing on the entire brain. So I am now going to incorporate these meditations into my dreaming.

The results of this exercise so far weren't bad. I had a very long and detailed extremely vivid dreams. These are almost as exciting as lucid but not quite. They are very revealing however and I need more of these with more detail to become lucid, so I think I will keep practicing. I want to work more on the meditations. I never really had any sensation other then a swelling sensation on the gland. There was no tingling or laughing, so more work may be required, although I am very optimistic that I am onto something here so I am going to keep up the work

I will check out your video here shortly.

venn99, I am not going to give up, no way.

Just yesterday I was reading about rising this kundalini energy, I straight away thought this is the way but I realise it is something I can't do yet, not until I improve my meditation greatly it seems to be going in the right direction so far.

Any chance you could outline me in super simple bullet points how exactly you been doing this kundalini energy meditation I know there are many books on the subject and some are supposedly very good but I would rather skip the reading part and get the essence from someone who has already done it. If you could please write me down what you do on each kundalini meditation it would be great.

I am at the moment just doing the most basic soham meditation and it is great as far. Oh and I found this website yesterday, I just had a glance but will read more it looks very straight to the point and this is what I am looking for.

As for amygdala I am trying it every time after the meditation but I think it will still be some time before I succeed.

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venn99, I am not going to give up, no way.

Just yesterday I was reading about rising this kundalini energy, I straight away thought this is the way but I realise it is something I can't do yet, not until I improve my meditation greatly it seems to be going in the right direction so far.

Any chance you could outline me in super simple bullet points how exactly you been doing this kundalini energy meditation I know there are many books on the subject and some are supposedly very good but I would rather skip the reading part and get the essence from someone who has already done it. If you could please write me down what you do on each kundalini meditation it would be great.

I am at the moment just doing the most basic soham meditation and it is great as far. Oh and I found this website yesterday, I just had a glance but will read more it looks very straight to the point and this is what I am looking for.

As for amygdala I am trying it every time after the meditation but I think it will still be some time before I succeed.

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Yes what helped me was the Buddhist mantra OHM incorporated into this CD Wellness Music - Relaxation & Meditation/Mind & Spirit CD Album specifically one of the 4 songs on the CD, can't remember which one exactly without playing them all again, but what happened was I went into a hypnogagic space of total non existence. No sense of self, no awareness, nothing, then I exploded out of it to the mantra OHM reverberating through my body into a wormhole type white light emanating from my third eye / heart chakra combination. It was one of the most amazing experience I have ever had. It was an extremely enlightened phase of my life where I lived in peace and tranquility always.

All the versus on that CD are amazing though and they all helped, coupled with a strong desire to stay balanced hemisphereically and internally speaking and at peace. It happened totally spontaneously and when it did happen it shocked me so much I snapped out of the meditation. I've never experienced the same thing twice although I don't think it is necessary that I do because I believe it to be like I said a Kundalini awakening, but I also believe a portal to the 5th dimension that we all posses within and can access with the right attunement. I know this due largely in part to a near death experience I had before this where I was in a realm of white light with some other people. The experience was basically identical to that. Lots of amazing experiences for sure.

As far as the amygdala goes, I am still working on this. It's wierd because sometimes I can just think of it and feel it so simply other times it's hard to do, but I suppose it's just like anything else with meditation, you have to find the right , time , space and will and when the 3 align you will have magnificent results. Needless to say I am extremely interested in where this amygdala thing is going to take me but reading about it and finally getting a "click" , I am sure will be another life altering experience, but this one the biggest of all from what I am reading about it./

i forgot to mention these mantras and a few other very unique cd's I use used to always give me sleep paralysis. I used to meditate literally like 8 hours a day. Whenever I was feeling somewhat relaxed and / or tired I would go lie down and meditate to the music. Very frequently I would go into SP and not know what was happening. The mantras take over your body literally. Something happens when you listen to them and recite them and SP is really easy to fall into. I used to think it was always some sort of demonic attack, but now I know better. I am going to start using them again and will burn the tracks some time here in the future if you want to try them. I honestly know meditation has always been the key for Lucid Dreaming. I used to do it all the time years ago not really realizing what was happening or the benefit of it. After contemplating this for a few days and really understanding this all more, I am definitely going to make this all happen again using the methods I used to use back in 07, which essentially are complete relaxation, non though, SP and lucidity approaches. I posted a bit about it in another thread but may go into more detail at another time.

venn99,

I have tried some iso tones from Iso-Tones - Home while ago but only few times, I had no faith in them so I gave up but if you are saying yours are working why not I wouldn't mind trying them.

I have never experienced sleep paralysis myself to be honest, but I heard it may be a bit scary.

I agree, it may be that meditation can improve lucid dreaming, though I moved from dreaming more to meditation mainly because I can practice it more often, with dreaming I need to to be off work for longer time, because I do a lot of night shifts and my sleeping pattern is all over the place, and you need to be rested to do it, also it seems that with meditation I have more control with a dream once in it I can only hope it will work the way I want. Anyway when I can I still work on it. Below I have attached very interesting read on Astral Projection, have a look.

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It is nearly a month now, since I started meditating either once or twice a day. Mainly using soham, sometimes switching with om and breathing technique called quantum pause (funny name). My mind is very focused, nearly no thoughts are popping in to my mind during this state. First couple of times I felt a lot of tingling in the frontal lobe only, after couple more times it was the whole brain. Now it is more like a pressure and I am getting this even if not meditating, lets say I am sitting at work and I just think about it, not so strong as during the meditation but still. Anyway this is nothing important in relation to progressing in meditation but few times I had this feeling of dropping of the conciousness but always I realised this and unfortunately this has stopped it. Anyway I am enjoying it so I will definitely keep going with it. Like the two most important foundation of yoga say,"never give up" and "always let go".

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venn99,

I have tried some iso tones from Iso-Tones - Home while ago but only few times, I had no faith in them so I gave up but if you are saying yours are working why not I wouldn't mind trying them.

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Yeah I have never really had much success with iso tones or any binaural beats except on one occasion. I found a BB generator online that really worked wonders for my and amplifying my psychic abilities. i used it in conjuction with white powder gold. Then my computer died and I could not find it again for download. (the only one that really ever worked for me)

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I have never experienced sleep paralysis myself to be honest, but I heard it may be a bit scary.

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It is pretty awkward. It's different all the time. I had it just last night. It just feels evil, although I know that if you just allow the feeling to overtake you, you start to vibrate and leave the body. I've done it lots but still sometimes resist it. Like last night. I knew what was happening but it's almost like the mind takes over sometimes because you forget what you should do. But the good thing to note is since I started using the mantras again I am ALREADY experiencing it again. The mantras totally alter your energy state it is awesome.

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I agree, it may be that meditation can improve lucid dreaming, though I moved from dreaming more to meditation mainly because I can practice it more often, with dreaming I need to to be off work for longer time, because I do a lot of night shifts and my sleeping pattern is all over the place, and you need to be rested to do it, also it seems that with meditation I have more control with a dream once in it I can only hope it will work the way I want. Anyway when I can I still work on it. Below I have attached very interesting read on Astral Projection, have a look.

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I first realized what lucid dreaming was when I had a job where I was doing shift work, because of my alternating rem sleep patterns being interrupted.. That's how it all started for me. After that I tried to replicate the results, which I did for a while, but the results dwindled after time. However, now , with me starting back up with meditation and if I go on a raw food diet, I can completely amplify my energy field so that when falling asleep I can easily enter a dream, and there is no separation of consciousness. I know that is the key because I have done it lots, but I am not all that ready to start completely disciplining myself again to get to that level spiritually, but I am getting ready. Yeah the key to success with meditation is heightened awareness, inner peace, clear and focused mind and thought and in increase in all psychic awareness, thats how you know you are doing it right and of course a pulsating third eye chakra and an open heart chakra or hear center in general (advanced). Ill have a look at the links shortly.

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Originally Posted by renton79

It is nearly a month now, since I started meditating either once or twice a day. Mainly using soham, sometimes switching with om and breathing technique called quantum pause (funny name). My mind is very focused, nearly no thoughts are popping in to my mind during this state. First couple of times I felt a lot of tingling in the frontal lobe only, after couple more times it was the whole brain. Now it is more like a pressure and I am getting this even if not meditating, lets say I am sitting at work and I just think about it, not so strong as during the meditation but still. Anyway this is nothing important in relation to progressing in meditation but few times I had this feeling of dropping of the consciousness but always I realized this and unfortunately this has stopped it. Anyway I am enjoying it so I will definitely keep going with it. Like the two most important foundation of yoga say,"never give up" and "always let go".

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Those sounds like kundalini awakening symptoms and dropping out of conscious while meditating is a hypnogagic effect that happens before a kundalini awakening. Let it happen if that is what you are feeling. As well for meditation it should always be comfortable. Never force it . I tend to only do it when I am feeling slightly sleepy and relaxed. I get the best results that way and throw on some mantras and it always takes me places.

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Originally Posted by venn99

Those sounds like kundalini awakening symptoms and dropping out of conscious while meditating is a hypnogagic effect that happens before a kundalini awakening. Let it happen if that is what you are feeling. As well for meditation it should always be comfortable. Never force it . I tend to only do it when I am feeling slightly sleepy and relaxed. I get the best results that way and throw on some mantras and it always takes me places.

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You certainly are right about having to be relaxed, yesterday I meditated on a bit of hunger I thought I will try it this way as I always read you should not do it right after a meal but it didn't work well for me. I couldn't relax because I was thinking about food ;).

I know, not to force it. But sometimes it is not easy for the beginner. I remember once I was trying to get LD, but on a day before I read that if you blink with your eyes while LD it will straight away wake you up. So OBVIOUSLY I blinked in that dream because I remembered it and really wanted not to it was like my mind was maliciously doing opposite of what I wanted :), kind of funny. So next time I figured that I will try to hold my imagined eye lids with my fingers and I did but guess what my eyes blinked anyway, I was so gutted! It took me long time to forget about this stupid thing and now even if I blink in a dream it doesn't wake me up. I guess it is just a suggestion thing.

Can you tell me, when you are meditating and doing your Om mantra if I remember correctly. Are you trying to keep it up even when you feel awakening starting to happen? what I mean are you trying to do it for whole "session" or when you get to the point when you are concentrated enough that no thoughts are popping in you stop thinking mantra.

@renton79
@venn99
Seems like you completely derailed this thread o.O

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Originally Posted by renton79

You certainly are right about having to be relaxed, yesterday I meditated on a bit of hunger I thought I will try it this way as I always read you should not do it right after a meal but it didn't work well for me. I couldn't relax because I was thinking about food ;).

I know, not to force it. But sometimes it is not easy for the beginner. I remember once I was trying to get LD, but on a day before I read that if you blink with your eyes while LD it will straight away wake you up. So OBVIOUSLY I blinked in that dream because I remembered it and really wanted not to it was like my mind was maliciously doing opposite of what I wanted :), kind of funny. So next time I figured that I will try to hold my imagined eye lids with my fingers and I did but guess what my eyes blinked anyway, I was so gutted! It took me long time to forget about this stupid thing and now even if I blink in a dream it doesn't wake me up. I guess it is just a suggestion thing.

Can you tell me, when you are meditating and doing your Om mantra if I remember correctly. Are you trying to keep it up even when you feel awakening starting to happen? what I mean are you trying to do it for whole "session" or when you get to the point when you are concentrated enough that no thoughts are popping in you stop thinking mantra.

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I never really did or do anything. I just let the sound of the mantra take me in. I barely focus or try to do anything. If I am not naturally relaxed enough and wanting to do it I don't do it. The whole thing happened spontaneously , as well with a lot of lucid dreams.

Araishu: it seems so indeed :),
venn99: I see, I think this is what I am doing also, thanks

I just tried this and had a very weird experience. My eyes started to twitch and I had this weird sensation go all over my body, a sort of tingling sensation. I feel really weird now and sort of out of breath.

I don't know if this is legit meditation practice or what, but I found the position of those almonds and now I constantly feel their presence without having to touch the spots anymore, Now while im writing I somehow am managing to imagine the tickling sensation more but it's not enough yet it's really slight almost as if I just keep writing gibberish because I can focus on the sensation better that way ok it is getting more intense now I can feel it rising and rising and rising and rising and wow ok whats this hm feels like powder like that effervescent powder just I dont seem to break through but maybe I do I just have to focus some more, maybe tickling myself will help ok I tickle my feet now hmm.

fazit: nope. I now constantly feel those two almonds on each side and a little tickling beneath them but it's nowhere close to what you said. Hmm, I wonder if autosuggesting myself will lead me somwhere, I let you know.

fazit2: I know somehow tickled my pineal gland instead and am having goosebump-rushes flowing out of the back of my brain then laying down over the rest of my brain and spine like a soft slik cloth. I failed...

Don't try so hard. The tickling sensation is supposed to to relax and open them. Straining to make it work will have the opposite effect.

You fellas who are able to do it, mind telling me your methods?

This feather method commonly mentioned, do we imagine it going through our skull? two feathers? one each side? or just one feather?

One at a time is best for beginners. The sensation should take place in your skull but you don't necessarily need to imagine a feather going through your skull, but imagine the tickling sensation a feather would make, were it in your skull.

ok, cant remember how that feels, so ill purchase a feather