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Originally posted by Placebo
I heard this somewhere: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

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Mr. Carl Sagan. Great quote.

But anyways, I have big news! For the last few weeks I've been trying stuff out like you guys said.... and the other day I was trying to move toothpicks and stuff in water and I did it! At first I was like...whoa...no way! But then I did it again! This is crazy!

Maybe I was wrong all along?
But the strange thing is that it happened when I wasn't at my peak of concentration...like I would concentrate really hard and nothing would happen, but then when I relaxed a bit it just worked!

I was thinking about how it could be possible...maybe by altering your brain patterns by concentrating in certain ways there are slight changes in the magnetic fields around you or something? I dunno, but it was definitely awesome.

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I heard this somewhere: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

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Mr. Carl Sagan. Great quote.

But anyways, I have big news! For the last few weeks I've been trying stuff out like you guys said.... and the other day I was trying to move toothpicks and stuff in water and I did it! At first I was like...whoa...no way! But then I did it again! This is crazy!

Maybe I was wrong all along?
But the strange thing is that it happened when I wasn't at my peak of concentration...like I would concentrate really hard and nothing would happen, but then when I relaxed a bit it just worked!

I was thinking about how it could be possible...maybe by altering your brain patterns by concentrating in certain ways there are slight changes in the magnetic fields around you or something? I dunno, but it was definitely awesome.[/b]

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Okay, who hacked bradybakers account? OWN UP OR DIE.

Well, since there seems to be no other option present, let's bring out the full-scale analysis of the post by a wannabe-professional.

Hm...
Yes...
I see...


Well, here are my findings!

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Maybe I was wrong all along?
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Doesn't sound much like Brady to me.
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I dunno

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Wow. Definitely not Brady.

The question is, whodunnit?

*points inconspicuously-like towards Newbie Zone* :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Newbie Zone

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Originally posted by cnthRyder
HOW THE HECK DO YOU PEOPLE DO THIS SORT OF STUFF?! Been hoping I would try to learn stuff like that... phh... yeah right... Anyways, anybody got any proof?

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The only real proof you could get is if someone came to your house and did these things in frount of you, or you did them yourself. I wouldn't consider anything else proof, like videos and pictures.

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Originally posted by cnthRyder
HOW THE HECK DO YOU PEOPLE DO THIS SORT OF STUFF?! Been hoping I would try to learn stuff like that... phh... yeah right... Anyways, anybody got any proof?

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Err... what would you consider to be proof. Come over to my house for a demonstration :P
[EDIT] Just noticed wer posted the same thing [/EDIT]

As to how I do it - read up on ppsociety.com about different methods people use

The beginning of brady's post sounds like him. The end doesn't ;)
Brady - if that was you - that's great.
You're at a slightly dangerous stage, because on the one hand you need to make sure that you're not fooling yourself - just like we all had to check.
On the other end, you need to avoid too many doubts and questions and analysis - they really do make it harder to concentrate
Anyway, good luck :)
I'm assuming you looked around ppsociety and psipog for information ?

The guy named 'Float' (who I know quite well now, I trust him somewhat) has an article he's busy putting together.
He gave me the preliminary file, but obviously I can't go posting it all over the place.
It contains a list of different methods he's used and played with
If anyone would like it, PM me ;)

(BTW, this Float guy is the same one that can spin highlighters on desks, and lift one side of a coin off the table - under a glass)

Recently I made some progress myself, and I think I've managed to localise where everything is happening in my body
I was always quite good at noticing and repeating sensations in my body :)

EDIT
wer, I don't generally annoy everyone about spelling but when you start to make horrible spelling mistakes in banners .. I can't help myself
*Resources Not Resorces
If you didn't make the banner, pass that on. It horrifies me when something like that is riddled with unbelievable spelling errors

Float is on this forum, I think? I think I just responded to a post of his, I'm not good at remembering stuff this early in the morning. Anyway, has he seen the $1m challenge? Or, what's his infalliable excuse? :roll:

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Originally posted by Kaniaz
Float is on this forum, I think? I think I just responded to a post of his, I'm not good at remembering stuff this early in the morning. Anyway, has he seen the $1m challenge? Or, what's his infalliable excuse? :roll:

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No, he hangs around the psipog and ppsociety sites from time to time
I have no idea what his infallible (*sp) excuse is - thats not my basis for some trust in him
The Randi challenge issue is getting a bit cheesy don't you think?

If I can do telekinesis (which I seem able to), then I have no reason to have excessive doubt of those that have taken 4 years of practice to achieve more than I have
Sure, he might be a faker. But thats a long 4 years to waste on 'fooling everyone'... ho hooo... what a great practical joke :roll:
The main reason I trust him, is because I has spoken to him for quite a while now, and initially interrogated him. And his answers seem to tie up very close to what's happening with me.

Sorry for the double post.. I forgot some things I wanted to say in that post back there :) (2 posts ago)

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Maybe I was wrong all along?
But the strange thing is that it happened when I wasn't at my peak of concentration...like I would concentrate really hard and nothing would happen, but then when I relaxed a bit it just worked![/b]

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I also find that concentrating (in the way we understand it anyway) only makes it harder
You need to actually try 'fuzz out' your conscious thoughts, and just keep in mind your intention. Nothing else.
Why? I have no idea ...

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I was thinking about how it could be possible...maybe by altering your brain patterns by concentrating in certain ways there are slight changes in the magnetic fields around you or something? I dunno, but it was definitely awesome.

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One theory is that field effects from the body overlap and cause an thing similar to hutchison effect (http://www.hutchisoneffect.com)
I haven't decided on any particular theory because I honestly have no idea
But if you watch the hutchison video's and listen to what he does, it looks just like the TK effects we see on videos (incl. my own) - only on steroids

Apparently they can levitate cannon balls with 75 watts :shock:
(This is still being confirmed by some guys on ppsociety though)

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The Randi challenge issue is getting a bit cheesy don't you think?[/b]

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No.

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Sure, he might be a faker. But thats a long 4 years to waste on 'fooling everyone'... ho hooo... what a great practical joke :roll:[/b]

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I'd say about 99% of the psis here would be fooling nobody. They see what they want to see, in other words.

For those people here that are serious about this stuff, got any site reccommendations for a beginner? Ive never had any... weird experiences ort anything. Does that mean I cant do it? Is it easy? HELP!

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Originally posted by cnthRyder
For those people here that are serious about this stuff, got any site reccommendations for a beginner? Ive never had any... weird experiences ort anything. Does that mean I cant do it? Is it easy? HELP!

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Go to PsiPog. But, unlike some of the fools here, take it with a grain of salt. Hey, take it with a full shaker for some of those articles...

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Sure, he might be a faker. But thats a long 4 years to waste on 'fooling everyone'... ho hooo... what a great practical joke :roll:

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I'd say about 99% of the psis here would be fooling nobody. They see what they want to see, in other words.[/b]

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Whatever. He just imagined that highlighter rotating on the desk. The camera is deluded too... :P
Look, there's a million accusations you can throw at the guy. If you don't trust him, I don't care...

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Sure, he might be a faker. But thats a long 4 years to waste on 'fooling everyone'... ho hooo... what a great practical joke :roll:

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I'd say about 99% of the psis here would be fooling nobody. They see what they want to see, in other words.[/b]

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Whatever. He just imagined that highlighter rotating on the desk. The camera is deluded too... :P
Look, there's a million accusations you can throw at the guy. If you don't trust him, I don't care...[/b]

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Sure. He could of. It's just as likely as it is to, oh, I dunno, make things levitate in thin air...

Ok. I would like to bring something up here.

Abilities like telepathy, telekinesis, astral projection, I can see how these mind be physically possible. Im not sure how exactly, but I am open minded to they're existance because they are scientifically plausable. However, I seriously wonder about some of the other abilities people claim to have. Controlling the weather, gyrokinesis, psi balls, teleportation for gods sake.

To claim to have these abilities completely contradicts science and logic. Just take controlling the weather for example. When it rains outside, its not just raining for no reason, there are huge global weather patterns at work. The weather isn't just something that you can just turn on and off with a switch, or with a telepathic ability. To change the weather you would have to use your mind to heat and cool entire portions of earths atmosphere to make convection currents bringing in different air masses. Not to mention you wouldn't know where any of the air masses were, and this would take forever.

And don't let me forget teleportation. Somebody explain to me, how, with your mind, you are going to physically and instentanously transport yourself to another place. Its just not possible. All psycic stuff aside, its just not physically possible according to all modern science.

Again, im not saying anything about the rest of the psycic abilities, im just saying try to keep some of the stuff you do make up to a more reasonable level.

Please, correct me if anything I say is wrong.

The way I understand it, all matter is made up of the same components, and these components when broken down to a subatomic level can be described simply as energy that has vibrated itself into harmony with other enerergies and made itself solid. If you can see how abilities like tk or ap are possibly possible then why doesn't teleportation seem a likely avenue? When a being has conciousness and "matter" can actually discern what it is doing from one moment to the next, why does it seem so far fetched that this "matter" may find a way to manipulate the matter around it. The levels of complexity that matter has molded itself through all the way from its most basic forms to its more complex have taught it basic ways to manipulate the world (i.e. touch) but as this conciousness that atoms have developed has learned more about its environment it has learned that there are more forces at play in this world.

Imagine a 2 dimensional world and imagine a man that lives in this world. Let's call it flat land for easy reference. This man that lives in flat land has four directions to choose from: up, down, left, and right. He lives in a house that in order for it to be a solid structure can only have one door on one side of it, since if there were 2 the house would collapse, and in order to go to the other side of the house he would have to climb over it. If you can truly imagine what it would be like to live in flat land, then you can understand how there is nothing to lead you to believe that there is an alternate direction available by simply "going around the house." Apply this to our world, it's very hard to imagine an alternate direction for us to go, because we have lived in this world for so long.

As organisms were developing, how was a creature able to know that these objects that it comes into contact each day could actually be observed by collecting the light that they reflect? How could an organism realize that light existed at all? It had to slowly come to the realization that these things were possible. It's very likely that there are many things out there that human perception has not found the ability to percieve thus far, and ignoring the possibilities of what could be is just as blinding as putting your own eyes out.

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If you can see how abilities like tk or ap are possibly possible then why doesn't teleportation seem a likely avenue?[/b]

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Teleportation is possible...but not really in the way most people think about it. Basically the properties of an atom are "tranferred" to another atom that is a certain distance away, essentially making an exact copy of it.

That's what I was going to say, Brady. But with the technology we have now, it would be impossible to teleport a person. Hell, it's impossible to teleport a grain of sand. As far as I know, all we've succeeded with is individual atoms and photons. Controlling it with your mind is equally impossible.

Also, Brady, did you really say that junk on the last page? It just didn't sound like you.

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It's very likely that there are many things out there that human perception has not found the ability to percieve thus far, and ignoring the possibilities of what could be is just as blinding as putting your own eyes out.[/b]

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I agree completely. We are all just humans, living in a world in which we define our own reality. I accept completely there are things that we cannot understand or detect, it would be stupid to assume that only the things we see are the things that exist. And I guess, that probably, with some crazy string theory loophole in the fabric of space time, teleportation might be possible. But, I just can't bring myself to believe that anybody on this website can do it. I don't believe that anybody can do it. I just cannot, with a good mind, believe that anybody has that sort of power purely through the will of their mind. The physics that are involved are hardly comprehendable, much less usable through technology or psycicly. Truthfully, anyone that could teleport themselves would be the most powerful person on the planet. Just think of all the things you could use it for. If you were able to teleport, you would not be posting on this website.

I say I can understand other abilities because they are much more plausable. Telepathy, telekinisis, astral projection, all these are relatively reasonable scientifically. Again, im not saying whether I believe in their existance or not, but I am much more likely to accept them if I see how they might actually be able to work.

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However, I seriously wonder about some of the other abilities people claim to have. Controlling the weather, gyrokinesis, psi balls, teleportation for gods sake.

I would just like to emphasize the fact that we only use 10 PERCENT OF OUR BRIANS. Yeah, I'm not an expert or anything, but if we can move things with our minds now, there's pretty much infinite possibilities to what a people can do if they learned to use more. And, considering how much the average person uses, we aren't exactly in the state to criticize someone who can do these things (crud, am I gonna sound like an idiot if these people are lying...)[/b]

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I would just like to emphasize the fact that we only use 10 PERCENT OF OUR BRIANS.[/b]

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Incorrect. Where do you people keep hearing that crap?

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I would just like to emphasize the fact that we only use 10 PERCENT OF OUR BRIANS.

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Incorrect. Where do you people keep hearing that crap?[/b]

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Friends and the media, I guess :shakehead2:
Everyone please search snope.com about the percent of brain thing - we hear it way too often

Anyway, my view is that telekinesis and telepathy are wierd and crazy enough already. We have NO solid basis to believe in them - in theory. As such, I can only sympathise with views from the scientific community.
When I manage to actually DO telekinesis .... I end up without a logical explanation and plain awe.

As such, until I have a reason to actually believe in something amazing, like electrokinesis, personal psionic teleportation, etc etc... I'll label them as bulltwang until proven otherwise
'Incredible claims require incredible proof' ~ Carl Sagan
I need at least a smattering of possibility before attempting it

Of course, trouble with things like telekinesis is that one usually wants to feel convinced in it's existence PRIOR to practicing for a month to achieve it. That just isn't possible at this stage. The alternative is a tough one, because I'm sure as hell not going to waste a month for each 'ability' like gyrokinesis, electrokinesis, bloody burgerkinesis - they never end. Add a 'kinesis' to the end, and you have a new amazing ability perfectly fit for DBZ.

Imagine wasting years disproving each one - bleh. Of course this doesn't prevent some from trying, but how do you disprove something that doesn't exist?

I agree completely, espescially with the DBZ thing. It really does seem that people are just taking latin words and adding kinesis's to them. A lot of the stuff i read on this forum I dont believe partly because of the triviality that is shown when talking about these things. Anyone that is telepathic, or telekinetic, etc., has an amazing gift, someone like that could break human and scientific boundries never before thought of. These are not Dungeons and Dragons feats. You can not grow a level and have access to them. These are not just trivial 'abilities' that anybody can just aquire with a little effort. That is, assuming they exist at all. As I have said before, I can see how it might be possible for these things to exist, but it is highly unlikely, and until there is some proof I, personally, will not believe it. As for the brain thing, I have heard that we only use like 1/2 or 1/3 (not 10%) of our brains, but that still offers no reason why anybody should be able to teleport. I agree that human beings might be able to do some amazing things if we utilized the rest of our brains, but as to what that would be I dont know. And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with teleportation. And since there is no proof that anybody can actually move objects with their minds, its a little dumb to make that as a point.

So, are we just supposed to assume all these "kineses" are pure bunk?

What would make you believe in them? Witnessing them for yourself? Experiencing them for yourself? Developing the abilities for yourself? Since there are few published authoritative works on these topics, one must base belief in these on experience alone. So I believe that one should not take an attitude that these abilities are all impossible... because anything is possible. As LDers and aspiring LDers, belief in and aceptance of the impossible is what keeps us dreaming.

But to put in my two cents, I don't know what the consensus is on electrokinesis but I can say for sure I have experienced it first hand. I am merely a novice in this ability but a friend of mine is very advanced. He has shown me energy phenomenae created with his own two hands that I'm not even going to get into... you can pm if you want to hear about that... Anyway, I can vouch for electrokinesis. Furthermore, Eastern science has working with energy in the body and the electromagnetic merdian system with in the body for centuries--accupressure, accupuncture, chakra healing and cleansing... the list goes on.

Makes you wonder what would happen if Eastern and Western medicine were merged into one. Would this even be possible? Would one cancel out the other? Is the electromagnetic merdian system still readily accesible in our western bodies since it has never been tapped into? Could Western doctors even be trained to do this? Has anyone ever had a doctor who attempted to do this?

lol, I apologize for the digression, but it's still on the topic of electrokinesis :)

Let me ask you this : At which point did YOU believe it to be completely real?
When your friend showed you? Or trying it AFTER your friend showed you?
Exactly my point - I have no reason to believe in it at this moment in time and will keep to my telekinesis for now
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'll lean to the side of shrugging it off for the time being

I have my hands full learning telekinesis as it is ;)

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Originally posted by psi_masta!
Anyone that is telepathic, or telekinetic, etc., has an amazing gift, someone like that could break human and scientific boundries never before thought of. These are not Dungeons and Dragons feats.

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Yep. Not that I'm special - this can be learned. But it's not a 10 minute decision of 'I'M GONNA LEARN TO MAKE FIREBALLZ!'. That just shows ignorance, and makes telekinesis look like something a student can learn in the spare time between exams :P

It's actually a pathetic insult to telekinesis as though it's become 'old school'

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'I'M GONNA LEARN TO MAKE FIREBALLZ!'

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LOL Placebo... you should!!!! :rolllaugh: