hello, first post ...and a lazy WBTB that worked : )

Hello fellow dreamers,

I've been interested again in the topic of LD recently and thought about getting back to trying having one after re-reading published articles. I had a few LD/OBE short episodes in the past but I have yet to get a full-blown LD/OBE with proper stability and control.

Been journalling for about a week, only keywords and without much conviction, I can't help finding the journalling thing annoying, my dreams show no recurrent dreamsigns and are made up of very short snipets of oddness - like nephew reading my aura (no idea where that can possibly come from), seeing a giant pink squid slowly floating above the beach, fighting several people, etc... I also find it hard to question myself during the day "am I dreaming" as this seems silly and pretty obvious I'm definitely not! I guess I should stick with it ... but for some reason (or maybe because I'm a bit lazy) I can't help thinking our brain/subconsious doesn't need any of that and knows better, appears to me reaching LD is much more about motivation, importance of LD in one's life in the moment, and intent before sleep (e.g. how much the importance of positive results in Laberge's career influenced the lab experiments outcome vs the MILD technique per se? And why do people who know nothing about LD can spontaneously get their first vivid LD the very first night they read about it? And why is it a common experience to be able to wake up right before the dreaded alarm sets off?).

I naturally woke up in the morning about 6.30 and the idea came to mind to take the opportunity to try a WBTB. I got up, got dressed and on the computer saw an email from a friend telling me about his new blog on his trip with his gf. So I read the blog, and about an hour later realized I had stayed up longer than the 30mn I intended. Got back to bed, and told myself 4-5 times "ok, next time I dream I want to be lucid" then forgot about it (did I say I'm feeling a bit lazy :) ). The room was quite bright and suspected I wouldn't fall asleep anyway... 1 hour later still no sleep, chances wre pretty off now to fall asleep... then turned onto my belly and covered face partially to block out light. Some time passes.

Next thing I realise my body feels heavy and it seems I have difficulty moving. I know about SP but didn't realise it was what was happening. A bit concerned but decided to ignore it. Very shortly after I felt the OBE symptom of lifting upward and through the back and feet, a noticeable but weak and short movement. This made me realise what was happening. Then with no more body awareness, I saw some dream scenery. Colors were vivid, scenery was moving as if observing from some aerial vantage point, and my view was narrowed to a "frame". I thought about trying to step in that frame but with no success, although the attempt seemed to sharpen the scenery. Next, I suddenly find myself "hovering" (let's put it that way) above a girl, only seeing her face. I realise by her facial expressions that we're having sex :) that's odd because I didn't have any body sensation, only an awareness of, well, having sex, and also I hadn't thought or intended to have sex. I think to myself she doesn't look too cute and that I'd rather her be a girl in the past that I had a crush on (no idea why I thought of her, it was a long time ago). Instantly, the face changed to be the face of that other girl. Also a nice sunlight started to partially illuminate her face. That definitely excited me and I started feeling aroused - but it stopped short as I woke up. Again, there was no body sensation, only awareness of having sex and arousal increasing.

So it seems WBTB is really efficient to trigger lucidity, considering I didn't put much intent at all and I wasn't thinking about lucid dreaming during the prep (I was reading my friend's blog). Will try it again... I'm thinking a good idea may be to demand the dream "Now I want to *stand* on the beach" for example. Something that will promote having that stable experience I'm looking for, feeling my body and being in control. Ideally I'd like to find myself standing in the lucid dreaming, with clear feeling and control of my body, thinking "ok here I am standing in the dream and in control."

LD is indeed a fascinating topic.

Hello and welcome to DreamViews,

Since you felt SP i guess it was a WILD Technique mixed with WBTB result,
Congrats :-P

You might have tendencies to be able to do effortlessly wilds
While they usually require ability to stay conscious while your body is falling asleep which is hard
Getting up for specific amount of time and then going back to bed might be the trick to you
I'd suggest you trying similar or same thing tommorow maybe and seeing if it will work.

Thanks MisakaMikoto, your post is encouraging. Yes I definitely want to give it another go.

About a tendency for WILD, quite possibly - there was a long period in my past where I did meditation at bedtime occasionally, I wasn't following any particular method except relaxing deeper and deeper until eventually I would induce an ecstatic trance state after about 20 mn. No OBE though, I had never been comfortable back then with the idea of going "out of body" (if there's really such a thing, I guess now I have quite a different perspective on this). I would typically feel odd physiological sensations like "ripples" across the body until some trigger point where I would expand rapidly and end up into what could aptly be described as "one point of consciousness" - sounds new-agey but that's the closest description, it amazed me each time and I would just stay in it until it stops on its own and recovered a sense of my body. I really don't know if I could do that now, it was many years ago... but it's quite possible I kept some skills around remaining conscious while my body relaxes and gives off odd feedback. Time will tell (if I'm not too lazy lol..).

That said, in the LD I reported, sounds to me like I fell asleep for a very brief time then awoke to the feeling of SP. So not sure whether technically-speaking this qualifies as WILD (not that important I guess, just saying :) )

You can try to do your meditation technique with WBTB and see if anything magical happens :yeah
Trying WILD and related stuff at nighttime might give some awesome experience yet it is rare to achieve lucid dreams from that.
So i'd suggest you:
1. Get Up For X Time
2. Get Back To Bed
3. Relax Body
4. Do Your Meditation Way

And about the second post
During WILDs something called conscious zoneout might happen
Your example for using counting to keep your mind conscious and you suddenly find out that you stopped counting
It's kinda like forgetting about something and then remembering it back :yeah

It was something like this?

Looks like we're both online now :-)

Well, yes that sounds like a good idea to try and mix and see what happens. From what I read about the WILD technique, it starts the same way with trying to relax while keeping conscious...

I'll report back if I get another instance of LD.

I've read your first post in the forum, quote:

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Hi Guys

I've been trying to get lucid dreams since some time
Mostly i was too lazy to try stuff like dream signs etc.
Recently i've readed more about W.I.L.D method and tried it

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Good, sounds like we're on the same page :cheeky:

Did you get your first LD through WILD then?

Nah,

First ones were natural lds that happend during my life randomly
Though the first technique induced lucid dream was from my own DILD Adventure
I just went berserk with reality checks and started to analyse everything, question reality and do reality checks every few minutes or even maybe less lol :-P

After that first lucid dream i went for WILDs
And i'm still on quest to find my suitable way to wild
Currently i'm experimenting with DEILDs (This: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...torial-**.html )