Another Newbie, Another Boring Question :o)

Hi there!

I would like to thank you for this great site!

I've got a question about reality checks. What if my dreams are so close to the reality that my reality checks simply don't work in my dreams? :roll: Or for example if you have no direct dream control so you can't be able to put your hand throught your palm etc.. Is there any RC which works really for 100% ? I personally think that there is no RC which can work for 100%

What is your experience with RCs which don't work in your dreams?

mabye the jump rt but i dont know i think if u use a bunch of rts than chances would be way higher than just one

Reality checks that work 100%? Try to fly, stick a finger through your palm, walk through a mirror/door/random solid object, that kinda stuff.

Hi and welcome, the easiest reality check for me is to stick my finger through my palm, Its like my skin goes all stretchy and rubbery. Matter doesn't really mean anything in most dreams.

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Originally Posted by lechat

Hi there!

I would like to thank you for this great site!

I've got a question about reality checks. What if my dreams are so close to the reality that my reality checks simply don't work in my dreams? :roll: Or for example if you have no direct dream control so you can't be able to put your hand throught your palm etc.. Is there any RC which works really for 100% ? I personally think that there is no RC which can work for 100%

What is your experience with RCs which don't work in your dreams?
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Hello :)
Because I too have had dreams that were indifferent to waking life I believe I know where you are coming from. (The entire concept of lucid dreams being full reality is an entire subject I have tried to address) But everyone who wonders, remember...what is lucid. LUCID = easily understood; completely intelligible or comprehensible characterized by clear perception or understanding; rational or sane. *Sounds a lot like waking life eeey?
Well anyway dream signs are often a way around reality checks. Try to find a reoccurring theme, person place...sign. When a sign is prevalent in your waking or dreaming life, try to associate that in conjunction with your reality checks.

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Originally Posted by Howetzer

Hello :)
Because I too have had dreams that were indifferent to waking life I believe I know where you are coming from. (The entire concept of lucid dreams being full reality is an entire subject I have tried to address) But everyone who wonders, remember...what is lucid. LUCID = easily understood; completely intelligible or comprehensible characterized by clear perception or understanding; rational or sane. *Sounds a lot like waking life eeey?
Well anyway dream signs are often a way around reality checks. Try to find a reoccurring theme, person place...sign. When a sign is prevalent in your waking or dreaming life, try to associate that in conjunction with your reality checks.
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Howetzer,
i have already been writing my dream journal for 3 or 4 weeks but i am still not sure about my dream signs. I know what you mean, but thanks anyway. :wink:

pinch ur nose and brethe in its impossible to stop bretheing in ur dreams unless u hold ur brethe but if u can brethe holding ur nose ur dreaming works 100%

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Originally Posted by lechat

Hi there!

I would like to thank you for this great site!

I've got a question about reality checks. What if my dreams are so close to the reality that my reality checks simply don't work in my dreams? :roll: Or for example if you have no direct dream control so you can't be able to put your hand throught your palm etc.. Is there any RC which works really for 100% ? I personally think that there is no RC which can work for 100%

What is your experience with RCs which don't work in your dreams?
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If your dreams are that close to Reality, then why the concern to Lucid Dream?

You see, Lucid Dreams are only a stage toward Dream Maturity. Those who have disjointed and primitive Dreams need to go through a period of Lucid Dreaming in order to bring Order out of Chaos.

But if all of your dreams are coherent and quasi-real, then you may be beyond the need for Lucid Dreaming.

And look at it this way... Lucid Dreaming is nearly always disruptive. There you are in a Dream when suddenly you go Lucid. Well, what happens then? Even when the Lucid Dreamer does not disrupt everything will attempts to blow everything away with Control, then there is typically some change to the dream behaviors. Even I have my Lucid Dream Check Lists which guarantee that when I go Lucid I will instantly disrupt the continuity of whatever Dream had been transpiring.

So it is that the Higher Dream Mind may resist one's efforts to go Lucid, particularly if the Higher Dream Mind thinks that it already has a fairly good Dream Program set up for the Individual Concerned.

So ask yourself whether your dreams have been all that inconsequential and trivial. Has your Higher Dream Mind been letting you down with weak and inconseuential dreams? Well, if so, you should set up something of a Auto-suggestion or Auto-hypnotic program to communicate these concerns to your Higher Dream Mind. You should complain to your Higher Dream Mind that in exchange for its blocking you from Lucid Dreaming, that it should invest in you dreams of vividness and interest enough to compensate you.

And if your dreams do seem so 'real', I think that you are well in vicinity where your dreams may also be relevent and important without the addition that they also be Lucid.

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Originally Posted by Leo

If your dreams are that close to Reality, then why the concern to Lucid Dream?

You should complain to your Higher Dream Mind that in exchange for its blocking you from Lucid Dreaming, that it should invest in you dreams of vividness and interest enough to compensate you.

And if your dreams do seem so 'real', I think that you are well in vicinity where your dreams may also be relevent and important without the addition that they also be Lucid.
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*nods, enchanted*

Listen to the man.

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Originally Posted by Shadow

pinch ur nose and brethe in its impossible to stop bretheing in ur dreams unless u hold ur brethe but if u can brethe holding ur nose ur dreaming works 100%
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...It's not 100%. It works 100% for me, but not for my friend at camp. I was teaching him to VILD, and he managed to do it successfully. He got into the dreamscape he was imagining, but when he pinched his nose and breathed in, he couldn't breathe in. He eventually got lucid after but I was suprised when he told me it didn't work.

:welcome:

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Originally Posted by Leo

If your dreams are that close to Reality, then why the concern to Lucid Dream?

You see, Lucid Dreams are only a stage toward Dream Maturity. Those who have disjointed and primitive Dreams need to go through a period of Lucid Dreaming in order to bring Order out of Chaos.

But if all of your dreams are coherent and quasi-real, then you may be beyond the need for Lucid Dreaming.

And look at it this way... Lucid Dreaming is nearly always disruptive. There you are in a Dream when suddenly you go Lucid. Well, what happens then? Even when the Lucid Dreamer does not disrupt everything will attempts to blow everything away with Control, then there is typically some change to the dream behaviors. Even I have my Lucid Dream Check Lists which guarantee that when I go Lucid I will instantly disrupt the continuity of whatever Dream had been transpiring.

So it is that the Higher Dream Mind may resist one's efforts to go Lucid, particularly if the Higher Dream Mind thinks that it already has a fairly good Dream Program set up for the Individual Concerned.

So ask yourself whether your dreams have been all that inconsequential and trivial. Has your Higher Dream Mind been letting you down with weak and inconseuential dreams? Well, if so, you should set up something of a Auto-suggestion or Auto-hypnotic program to communicate these concerns to your Higher Dream Mind. You should complain to your Higher Dream Mind that in exchange for its blocking you from Lucid Dreaming, that it should invest in you dreams of vividness and interest enough to compensate you.

And if your dreams do seem so 'real', I think that you are well in vicinity where your dreams may also be relevent and important without the addition that they also be Lucid.
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Originally Posted by farsight

wow this is a smart dude i releize this by i myself additionly happen to be a marijunana inspired intellectual this is some good shit i would pay like 25 cents to read more of his work lol listen ta him
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Now that was one of the worst sentences I have ever had to read. I strongly suggest that you read the "Spelling and Grammar" sticky-post at the top of the "Newbie" section... you sounded nigh on retarded!

Now now Daen, a little more niceness could be at it's place.

(Not that I disagree with you -_-)

Hi folks!

thanks you all for the comments!
I've never said i have 'real' dreams. I am just thinking about it.... :wink:

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Originally Posted by megabenman

...It's not 100%. It works 100% for me, but not for my friend at camp. I was teaching him to VILD, and he managed to do it successfully. He got into the dreamscape he was imagining, but when he pinched his nose and breathed in, he couldn't breathe in. He eventually got lucid after but I was suprised when he told me it didn't work.
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Megabenman,
are you sure that your friend is sure? :o) It seems quite logical as your subconscious often reflects your physiology state to your dreams (e.g. if you have full bladder you are dreaming about looking for a bathroom etc.). So I guess it should be the same for breathing. But i have no experience. :?

Can sameone else say his/her experience here please?

Yeah, it worked for me a couple of times (100% success rate though).

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Originally Posted by TweaK

Now now Daen, a little more niceness could be at it's place.

(Not that I disagree with you -_-)
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*looks at his feet*

Sorry, Farsight. It's just that when you use nice punctuation we can get a better understanding of what it is you want us to understand, and it is less painful to the eyes.

I red it fine... lol