Lucid Attempts. Help Needed.

Hello, this is my first post here and the first issue I would like to raise is Sleep Paralysis, or as it's called here, SP right? I am fifteen years old and have had some pretty bad encounters with the events that take place during this time. I used to get it all the time when I was younger, and had some very frightning experiences with it. So much so that I even had a panic attack, with an uncontrollable shaking and extremely high heart rate. I would hillucinate seeing a UFO or some sort of ancient or foreign or not even readible text writing appearing right before my eyes. I would feel like something is around me, at first I told myself it's merely a kind alien wanting to learn all about my adventures with my Horsey puppet and the great fun we would have togethor, but that instantly was overcome by more fear. I imagined a black figure next to me, me believing there was some sort of alien race above the building asked to please pick someone else. But of course this was all in my head. I've somewhat noticed I haven't gotten as scared anymore, but last time I had a clear sleep paralysis was a few years ago, that I remember anyway.

Is there anything that can assist me in just "shrugging it off" and just dealing with it, and once I can accomplish this, what's the next step towards my soon to be wonderful and wild adventures (or not)

Also, any bad encounters you guys may have had with SP?

Edit: Oops, no pun intended on the topic description.

Well it was about 4:40 when I just woke up, and I hear I'm supposed to stay up for an hour. But it makes me wonder what I must do afterwards and if it involves sp :shock:

This is the closest I've been to a self-induced lucid since erm, ever! What to dooooo! Time to learn me some tutorials >=P

I had fallen asleep listen to, I belive, Deep Dive, when whole brain felt erm how you say different. I don't remember the rest but I think I fell asleep pretty fast and then awoke with the headphones still on me.

Also quite the wierd dream I had, not lucid, and I wrote it down in my "Dream Journal", if you could even call it that. (Actually it was the back of one of my math notebooks, I couldn't find anything else to write on =D) Something about a school, more or less my school, and there were 3 replicas of the most beautiful pc's I have ever seen, pretty much owning Alienware. What does this mean?

Hi there :welcome:

I've only experienced mild forms of SP, not as scary as yours though. I often get hypnogogic (i think thats the word) sensations, where as I'm falling asleep it seems as if I fall into my body from above, and when I "hit" my body, I do like a jolt-jump thing, and I get that nervous feeling in my stomach. But that's it for me.

lol the tutorials are a good place to start! There's plenty of info available here on DV, check it out!
Also, if you haven't got it yet, get a copy of Stephen La Berge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, it explains everything about lucid dreaming and how to get started. You can get a free online copy here:

Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming.pdf

Anyway.

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Originally Posted by ultrasonicsite

What does this mean?
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lol I can't help you there except to say that it might be a dreamsign of yours. If you often dream of cool pcs, then do Reality Checks (RCs) whenever you see a cool pc!

Anyway, good luck with lucid dreaming!

Yeah I'm a computer geek so I'm all over the things =P

As for my lucid dreaming, I failed horribly O.O!

I did the WILD thing, er I think. I started to control my breathing, counting each one and when breathing out saying in my head, "I'm having a lucid dream."

I came close to a lucid state of mind SIX times! Yeah that's right, SIX attempts, SIX failures! First my body seemed to start to feel different, as if to be less receptive. I started the counting, but damn did I suck, got lost about 32 times in what place I was. Slowly my eyelids grew heavier and heavier, and after about my random jump to around 270 what I was seeing appeared to be a white plane or circle or something My body felt weird, as if to sway towards various different directions at once. And my heartbeat rocketed up extremely fast, I guess because of this the demand for oxygen was higher and had to adjust how much I was taking in to compensate, but I guess that stopped the whole process. Or maybe it was me deciding to swallow the spit forming at the top of my tongue. Every time though everything went from all that "Action" back to how it was before it began. It was like this for the first three times, the last of the first three seemingly being the closest to success because I started observing some weird things appearing, such as a heart or random formation. I also heard birds chirping, but that was coming from the outside, it was already daytime.

It was as if I had completely lost my perspective of space and time, I could had sworn I was only there for 30 minutes, when I decide to give up two hours had passed by O.O!! The other 3 occasions after that was my body just wanting to get it over with and get to sleep, but heh, by now it was too late. Time for school. -_-

edit: Fixed various errors.

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Originally Posted by ultrasonicsite

As for my lucid dreaming, I failed horribly O.O!
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lol I know the feeling, I've only had 1 lucid dream since starting with the whole thing on this site (thats like 5 months ago)! And when I did it, it was completely random I didn't do any methods.

I've now started taking vitamin B6 tablets, but they not working yet...

I think it's rather odd that you know that SP is perfectly normal and totally harmless, yet you still are afraid of them. I used to have them several times a week, without knowing what was going on, but once I read about it online, I very rarely have them anymore, and when I do, I try to use them as a gateway into a lucid dream.

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Originally Posted by Lost_prophet

I think it's rather odd that you know that SP is perfectly normal and totally harmless, yet you still are afraid of them. I used to have them several times a week, without knowing what was going on, but once I read about it online, I very rarely have them anymore, and when I do, I try to use them as a gateway into a lucid dream.
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Is my heart rate supposed to rocket up during this "Transition phase" or is it just me feaking out? :shock:

I think your heart rate is raising for the reason of you freaking out. SP is 100% harmless, there is nothing to be weary of..

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Originally Posted by Lost_prophet

I think your heart rate is raising for the reason of you freaking out. SP is 100% harmless, there is nothing to be weary of..
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Ok I'll try again tonight.

I used to have a lot of SP around your age too. I would see white phantom-like figures sitting at the foot of my bed, and I would always try to yell or scream, but of course you're paralyzed. Other times I would see greenish female figures sitting right on top of me.

But after getting SP about 2-3 time a week, I started not caring too much, but rather trying to really see whats at the foot of my bed or on top of me rather than getting freaked out. I never found out because I completely stopped having SPs rather abruptly.

As for WILDs, I always had the same problem - I would get some HI, feel vibrations in my body, but could never make it all the way through into my lucid dream. I started trying them in the afternoon when I felt tired enough for a nap, and it was always MUCH easier.

Well I tried again (3/14/07) failing miserably once more. I went to sleep at I'd say between 11:30 and 12:00 and woke up at an interresting 2 minutes before my cellphone's alarm set for 5:30 went off. I stayed awake for about an hour, watching t.v., dunno if that's what messed it up =\, and then did some point technique of some sort, you know, imagining I was at my foot or something; feeling it relaxing along with the rest of my body.

Then I did some reverse blinking, which worked, started counting 1...I'm dreaming, 2...I'm dreaming, etc. And guess what happened? Nothing! O.O!!!! Not even an increase in heartrate from when I usually get scared. I don't even think I saw any images, it was more or less me forcing images to be viewd after a while of getting bored. I got tired very quickly and just gave up.

I don't know what it is, maybe trying to get my mouth moist by how dry it gets with all the breathing, or maybe my body isn't easily tricked. Or maybe it's the news I was watching? Any help? ._.

Also in the none-lucid dream I had before I waking up 2 minutes early, there was also another pc in that dream. Maybe it really is my dreamsign o.o.

I've actually never gotten to SP intentionally, only waking up in it, but visualize when your in there, for when you have SP you are very close. Keep yourself calm with the knowledge you can control everything in your own head, and sit back and enjoy.

I wish you luck

So far no success. It may be the time I go to sleep.

Ok I'm managing to remember one dream every day.

I also have never gotten SP when trying. I thought I had it while WILDing but I got fed up around 650 slow breaths, turns out that my arms were asleep. Not like SP, but like lack of circulation (which is strange because I wasn't laying on them or anything).

I do wake up in SP once in a blue moon, I usually see normal objects in my room mutate into tentacles, but for some reason—even though they're reaching for me—it doesn't bother me. I'm just like: "hey I've never mounted an octopus above my door before, what's it doing there?" Hasn't happened since I started thinkin' about LDing though, if it happens to me again I'm gonna try to WILD. Strangely enough, I wake into SP more often when I'm sleeping in my hammock instead of my bed. Can't imagine why this would be, but nonetheless there it is.

Wow, I'm an acronym whore, so lazy.

Hmm, I've never (I think) had SP before. When I try inducing it for a WILD it never works. There was one time when I actually managed to get SP in my palm, eaven though it was only a small muscle for my little finger :content: . Actually the last time I tryed I could slowly feel losing the senses of my body, but in time it felt like hot needles being poked almost all over my body. Ofcourse I soon stopped, since it was somehow unbearable.

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Strangely enough, I wake into SP more often when I'm sleeping in my hammock instead of my bed. Can't imagine why this would be, but nonetheless there it is.
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Usually when people describe WILDs they feel a floating sensation. Maby the hammock helps with that sensation?

I've managed to have two lucid dreams since joining the forums! Though not WILD induced.

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Originally Posted by ultrasonicsite

I've managed to have two lucid dreams since joining the forums! Though not WILD induced.[/b]

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I tried again this morning. Failed miserably, after that I just quit and let myself fall asleep.

42 seconds later I was in a lucid dream :shock:

I was in there for what seemed to be 30 seconds. When I awoke an hour had passed, whoa.

Any tips on actually falling asleep while attempting to wild?

Also I still get the heart rate jumps every time I feel I'm going to sleep. And I still need this answered, does moving your mouth mess the whole process up????

I tend to build up saliva or just move my mouth to a more comfortable position.

Yeah, I'm having the same problems as ultrasonicsite. The saliva builds and I can't help but swallow. I remember once I was 'drowning' and started coughing and it ruined my concentration.

And also, I was attempting a WILD last night and as I felt like SP was coming, my heart began to pound so hard and gradually faster but my breathing was normal and relaxed. I'm not sure whether it was just the sound of the pounding being amplified or if I wasn't breathing sufficiently.

I'm going to try a mild now.

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Originally Posted by ultrasonicsite

I'm going to try a mild now.[/b]

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Did I saw I was going do try a MILD?

What I meant to say was I was GOING to, but then decided to try a WILD again.

Complete and utter failure at it its finest. You could learn a thing or two just by observing how gracefully I can fail this. :banana:

This is 9 attempts and 10 failures folks.

I can achieve numb status, I wouldn't exactely call it half paralysis, as I can move my body whenever I wish, except I get that feeling you get when you first wake up in the morning and have to stretch.

Then I start to see things, I don't know maybe I do maybe I don't. It's like the pictures aren't really there, and yet they are, and you comprehend it for a split second and "see" it, like a picture of outside and a gaurd rail. Swoosh, you see it, and then it's gone leaving you wondering what the hell that was. :shock:

BUT THEN!!!!! When I finally feel that same feeling I get when I DO go directly into a dream, my heart rate skyrockets, and then it slowely slows down along with the feeling of entering a dream state.

Now this happened nine times, and inbetween was all the dry mouth action, having to force myself to salivate or STOP salivating. All this while also having to swallow all the saliva building up every three minutes >=\

I was so close like the eighth time I almost thought there was no turning back at that point.

When there WAS turning back, I tried one last time in vein.

After that I gave up. I can't even get back to sleep. Today is going to suck =P

I even went to sleep two hours earlier, all for nothing I guess.

Aw, poor guy. Sounds a lot like my attempts. All of them. >(

Well, 'cept that one where I concentrated solely on dream re-entry rather than my breathing (concentrating on breathing seems to agitate the urge to swallow more!). I thought only about my last dream, and soon entered another.

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Originally Posted by Abra

Aw, poor guy. Sounds a lot like my attempts. All of them. >(

Well, 'cept that one where I concentrated solely on dream re-entry rather than my breathing (concentrating on breathing seems to agitate the urge to swallow more!). I thought only about my last dream, and soon entered another.[/b]

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Hmmm nice, I'll try that and see if it works.

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Originally Posted by ultrasonicsite

Yeah I'm a computer geek so I'm all over the things =P

As for my lucid dreaming, I failed horribly O.O!

I did the WILD thing, er I think. I started to control my breathing, counting each one and when breathing out saying in my head, "I'm having a lucid dream."

I came close to a lucid state of mind SIX times! Yeah that's right, SIX attempts, SIX failures! First my body seemed to start to feel different, as if to be less receptive. I started the counting, but damn did I suck, got lost about 32 times in what place I was. Slowly my eyelids grew heavier and heavier, and after about my random jump to around 270 what I was seeing appeared to be a white plane or circle or something My body felt weird, as if to sway towards various different directions at once. And my heartbeat rocketed up extremely fast, I guess because of this the demand for oxygen was higher and had to adjust how much I was taking in to compensate, but I guess that stopped the whole process. Or maybe it was me deciding to swallow the spit forming at the top of my tongue. Every time though everything went from all that "Action" back to how it was before it began. It was like this for the first three times, the last of the first three seemingly being the closest to success because I started observing some weird things appearing, such as a heart or random formation. I also heard birds chirping, but that was coming from the outside, it was already daytime.

It was as if I had completely lost my perspective of space and time, I could had sworn I was only there for 30 minutes, when I decide to give up two hours had passed by O.O!! The other 3 occasions after that was my body just wanting to get it over with and get to sleep, but heh, by now it was too late. Time for school. -_-

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THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME just 3 hours ago... AHH it pissed me off I was in SP and I was doing Breathing Method of Wild and about 4 to 5 times I was going in but then I came back and swallowed the spit forming at the back and I heard some kind of sound while I was in one of them but it was brief and I couldnt make it out I almost had it at one point but I don't know what stopped me and yes just like you I gave up and just went to sleep and what I thought was only about 20-30 mintues ended up being 3 hours -.- well Better luck next time I guess.

Maybe you should all try to sleep on your side (or just your head on your side)... To drool on your pillow instead of having to swallow !
(no kidding, I do a lot of drooling myself, although unwillingly)

well I dunno about that but I was reading up on Lucid Aid's and I found something to help induce Lucidity its an MP3
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=22467
Dunno if it works but Its time to check it out ;]

I've only experience a mild form of SP, after waking up in the middle of the night and falling back asleep, but it was pretty "scary". I was half-awake, and had HI off the yin-yang. I kept hearing this low, devil-ish voice that was talking incoherently, so I couldn't understand it. It was more cool than scary.

I'm going to try again tonight. I'm going to try to forget about having a WILD and focus more on a MILD. Also a question, for MILDing, I don't HAVE to go asleep counciously right? Because if I do then it's classified as a WILD no?

Well, a lot of people have stated that they're having problems with saliva in their mouths. I've actually learned more about inducing SP than LDs sinces I've joined DV, and I had rarely experienced it in my life before.

From my experience, swallowing will NOT stop SP from occurring, as long as it's just a gentle, natural swallow. Don't swallow like you're wolfing down a triple-cheeseburger, and you should be fine. SP is induced by being two things: EXTREMELY relaxed to the point where you stop caring about what your body is sensing, and "entering REM directly from consciousness. The "entering REM directly" part is key, because if one were to just enter NREM sleep, there would be no SP. That's also why SP is accompanied so often by "visions" and such."

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*EDIT* : Ok, I read some info on another post, and I was wrong probably! It appears one CAN enter SP without being in REM sleep. I always thought SP was ONLY during REM, so I just assumed that one could only enter SP while IN REM. Could somebody give a definite answer on this?
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I don't know how to remove the fright from SP; it's just shocking at first, and I think for most people, entering SP multiple times is the only way to get "used" to it. How I used to do it was to visualize I was just listening to trippy rave-type music on my headphones. It seemed to help a little.

I for one have always had problems breathing when I enter SP. I remember when I was in high school, I used to fall asleep with my arms crossed over my desk and my head resting on top of them. I almost suffocated myself once when I actually entered SP! When I got SP in bed, I almost always was resting on my side; again, my mouth kind of was obstructed by the pillow, so it was hard to breathe. If I could only get SP with breathing room!...

Oh yeah: With MILD, you don't have to go to sleep consciously, you just gotta have a dream you recently had as preferably your last thought before losing consciousness.

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Well, a lot of people have stated that they're having problems with saliva in their mouths. I've actually learned more about inducing SP than LDs sinces I've joined DV, and I had rarely experienced it in my life before.

From my experience, swallowing will NOT stop SP from occurring, as long as it's just a gentle, natural swallow. Don't swallow like you're wolfing down a triple-cheeseburger, and you should be fine. SP is induced by being two things: EXTREMELY relaxed to the point where you stop caring about what your body is sensing, and "entering REM directly from consciousness. The "entering REM directly" part is key, because if one were to just enter NREM sleep, there would be no SP. That's also why SP is accompanied so often by "visions" and such."

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*EDIT* : Ok, I read some info on another post, and I was wrong probably! It appears one CAN enter SP without being in REM sleep. I always thought SP was ONLY during REM, so I just assumed that one could only enter SP while IN REM. Could somebody give a definite answer on this?
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I don't know how to remove the fright from SP; it's just shocking at first, and I think for most people, entering SP multiple times is the only way to get "used" to it. How I used to do it was to visualize I was just listening to trippy rave-type music on my headphones. It seemed to help a little.

I for one have always had problems breathing when I enter SP. I remember when I was in high school, I used to fall asleep with my arms crossed over my desk and my head resting on top of them. I almost suffocated myself once when I actually entered SP! When I got SP in bed, I almost always was resting on my side; again, my mouth kind of was obstructed by the pillow, so it was hard to breathe. If I could only get SP with breathing room!...

Oh yeah: With MILD, you don't have to go to sleep consciously, you just gotta have a dream you recently had as preferably your last thought before losing consciousness.[/b]

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I couldn't do it unfortanately because my cellphone didn't wake me up. I was pretty sleepy last night anyway so I guess that's what did it.

I find it easier for me to fall asleep when going to sleep on my right side. This won't greatly affect the chances would it? Also it's bad to sleep on your left side, this is because a lot of your organs begin to put pressure on the heart and stomach which makes it harder to fall asleep due to uncomfortable feelings. As well as, if you try it out, it becomes a bit harder to breath when compared to say, laying on your back or right side.

Well, I didn't know the bit about sleeping on one's left side! Not that I do, I sleep on the right side also. In fact, I've pretty much only had success with SP when sleeping/relaxing on the right side, or at least with my head facing to the right. I've never had SP facing left or in a rigid supine position. I dunno about others, though.

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Well, I didn't know the bit about sleeping on one's left side! Not that I do, I sleep on the right side also. In fact, I've pretty much only had success with SP when sleeping/relaxing on the right side, or at least with my head facing to the right. I've never had SP facing left or in a rigid supine position. I dunno about others, though.[/b]

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I'm going to try again tonight.

No surprise here, another failure! :shock:

I woke up at 3:20 A.M.

Went to the bathroom, went to drink some water and started to read some articles.

I was reading http://www.geocities.com/lucidmetro/course....htm#WEEK%20ONE and decided to try out STAGE 1

After ninety minutes I go to my room. 4:50 A.M. I felt extremely sleepy, nothing could stop me now right?

I walked to the side of my bed.

"I am going to bed for the purpose of dreaming. I know that I do dream so I will fully,
consciously, willingly dream with full knowing that this is my desire, my intent, my will to do
so. I will be as I am now here in Waking Physical Reality with my full mental abilities needed to
observe, record this experience and remember as clearly as I do now, but this time, I will be
as I am here, but in the dreamstate."

*Goes to switch the light off*

*Switch falls off the lamp*

"@#$%&!!!!!"

So much for calmness.

I go to bed, put on the binaural beats cd with the sexy female voice, and for the next hour attempt to fall asleep and can't.

After that I gave up and just tried to go asleep normally. (I'm lying, I turned to my right and slept that way to see if it would help, it did help somewhat, but never got to sleep)

After THAT I REALLY forgot about it and just went to go asleep. Too bad there was only ten minutes left before I had to wake up and go to school.

I'm writing this on my lunch break, so I have to goes, good bye.

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Originally Posted by ultrasonicsite

No surprise here, another failure! :shock:

I woke up at 3:20 A.M.

Went to the bathroom, went to drink some water and started to read some articles.

I was reading http://www.geocities.com/lucidmetro/course....htm#WEEK%20ONE and decided to try out STAGE 1

After ninety minutes I go to my room. 4:50 A.M. I felt extremely sleepy, nothing could stop me now right?

I walked to the side of my bed.

"I am going to bed for the purpose of dreaming. I know that I do dream so I will fully,
consciously, willingly dream with full knowing that this is my desire, my intent, my will to do
so. I will be as I am now here in Waking Physical Reality with my full mental abilities needed to
observe, record this experience and remember as clearly as I do now, but this time, I will be
as I am here, but in the dreamstate."

*Goes to switch the light off*

*Switch falls off the lamp*

"@#$%&!!!!!"

So much for calmness.

I go to bed, put on the binaural beats cd with the sexy female voice, and for the next hour attempt to fall asleep and can't.

After that I gave up and just tried to go asleep normally. (I'm lying, I turned to my right and slept that way to see if it would help, it did help somewhat, but never got to sleep)

After THAT I REALLY forgot about it and just went to go asleep. Too bad there was only ten minutes left before I had to wake up and go to school.

I'm writing this on my lunch break, so I have to goes, good bye.[/b]

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By the way, does magnetism have anything to do with it? My flashlight doesn't use a battery. It uses a magnet, you shake the flashlight and it gets energy. I put it under my pillow with my Dream Book.

Yeah

So flashlight = bad?

Apparantley, there's a way to control your SP experience by using the " Roll-out " technique. Which involves literally rolling out of your paralysed body. I've tried this once or twice, failing both times. Anyone else have more information on this?

At this point I'm just trying to get into SP so I can get directely into a lucide dream ._.

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At this point I'm just trying to get into SP so I can get directely into a lucide dream ._.[/b]

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Not a good idea. Always focus on the dream. Don't make my mistake of focusing on getting SP... I end up staying up for hours, stuck on the cusp of SP (though I'm pretty sure it's only my own suggestion that I can't move, and not really SP). :eek:

Or... How 'bout going for a DILD?