The problem with that is 10 years from now when you go to fall back to it, they will look at you and see you have no expeience in that field and have had 5 jobs doing totally different stuff. So it really isnt that helpful.
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The problem with that is 10 years from now when you go to fall back to it, they will look at you and see you have no expeience in that field and have had 5 jobs doing totally different stuff. So it really isnt that helpful.
Incorrect. I already have two years of corporate experience and a year of just doing freelance design work...which I will likely continue to do...even though I don't really want to.Quote:
Originally posted by Alric
The problem with that is 10 years from now when you go to fall back to it, they will look at you and see you have no expeience in that field and have had 5 jobs doing totally different stuff. So it really isnt that helpful.
It's kind of sad now. When I was in high school, a person could get a pretty good job with just a HS diploma.
When I graduated college, a BS or BA was what was needed. Now, in my profession anyway, a masters is needed to really stand out.
When will it stop?
Freelance counts. Its when your doing something totally different that you have a problem.
a college degree is pretty much required for me (finance major), pretty much a right of passage.
Although I've found that it's definitely not required to make money either. All of the rich people I've met are entrepeneurs, not investment bankers.
supposedly it's also getting much easier to get masters degrees and PhDs...educational inflation. pretty soon we'll need to invent another degree.Quote:
Originally posted by Seeker
It's kind of sad now. *When I was in high school, a person could get a pretty good job with just a HS diploma.
When I graduated college, a BS or BA was what was needed. *Now, in my profession anyway, a masters is needed to really stand out.
When will it stop?
Probably when a student can levitate an X-Wing fighter over a swamp and defeat a evil sith three times his size.Quote:
It's kind of sad now. When I was in high school, a person could get a pretty good job with just a HS diploma. *
When I graduated college, a BS or BA was what was needed. Now, in my profession anyway, a masters is needed to really stand out. *
When will it stop? [/b]
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Wow...that makes me sad. Soon people will spend half their bloody lives in school.Quote:
Originally posted by mongreloctopus
supposedly it's also getting much easier to get masters degrees and PhDs...educational inflation. *pretty soon we'll need to invent another degree.
I wouldn't mind that, actually.Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
Wow...that makes me sad. Soon people will spend half their bloody lives in school.
It's the paying for it that's a problem...
Why did this thread depress me?
Hey Nina, have them send me an application! Or at least give me an address so that I can send my resume!
:) yes indeedy.Quote:
Originally posted by A Lost Soul
I wouldn't mind that, actually.
It's the paying for it that's a problem...
School... the best days of your life.
I'd like the to go on as long as they can thank you very much.
Oh, there are ways around that. You can do what I did - trade your HS social life for good grades and then coast for 4 years on scholarship. Also, once you get to grad school (at least in the sciences), your education is paid for by teaching and research assistanceships. You won't be getting rich, but you'll be getting by. And in 5 or so years, after blood, sweat, tears, and bottles of anti-anxiety meds paid for by the university health plan, you can hold up that coveted Ph.D. and say, "Oh crap, now what?!"Quote:
Originally posted by A Lost Soul
I wouldn't mind that, actually.
It's the paying for it that's a problem...
But in answer to Nina's question, I at least go because I enjoy it. The bureaucracy and tedium and degree structure requirements are occasionally stifling, but all-in-all, I'd rather be in school, eating Raman for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and surrounded (for the most part) by genuinely intelligent and curious people seeking knowledge about their world than in some stuffy and stifling 9-5 office or lab job. I guess for me, it's just not all about the benjamins. (Of course, I might just decide to eat this post when it comes time for candidacy exams...)
^^ :bravo:
Don't get me wrong...I'm all for college. I mean...yeah it was a blast. For sure some of the best days of my life so far. Alot of hard work and alot of partying. And luckily I didn't have to pay for it either.
I just find it a little ironic that I go to school for 5 years, work my ass off, get a degree to work in some office job for the rest of my life, doing something I don't enjoy...when I could be on the beach, making 4 grand in one night and making alot more money.
Doesn't that seem strange to anyone else? I dunno.
I think it's strange when people go to school for 4-5 years to earn a degree in a job they want nothing to do with. Why waste all that time training for something you don't enjoy? I understand some people do it for the potential for decent pay, but I'd rather live a normal life doing a job that I love (which I am), than making the big bucks and dreading going to work everyday. But, I guess everyone's different...Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
I just find it a little ironic that I go to school for 5 years, work my ass off, get a degree to work in some office job for the rest of my life, doing something I don't enjoy...
Yeah but see...the problem is that alot of people don't really know for sure what they want to do. I mean, that's why so many people you meet have "undecided" majors ya know? With me I really really wanted to go into digital design. But it was SOOOO much hard work, that I really and truly got burnt out on it. I wanted to give it up, but I was obligated to my parents. They spent alot of money for me to get this degree so I just sucked it up and finished it. My problem, is that I'm not really happy doing anything...I change my mind far too often and get sick of things far too easily. Tis a curse. :PQuote:
Originally posted by Burns
I think it's strange when people go to school for 4-5 years to earn a degree in a job they want nothing to do with. Why waste all that time training for something you don't enjoy? I understand some people do it for the potential for decent pay, but I'd rather live a normal life doing a job that I love (which I am), than making the big bucks and dreading going to work everyday. But, I guess everyone's different...
I know exactly what you mean - I majored in psychology and journalism before I decided on vet school (I know, a weird variety of majors, right?).Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
Yeah but see...the problem is that alot of people don't really know for sure what they want to do. I mean, that's why so many people you meet have "undecided" majors ya know? With me I really really wanted to go into digital design. But it was SOOOO much hard work, that I really and truly got burnt out on it. I wanted to give it up, but I was obligated to my parents. They spent alot of money for me to get this degree so I just sucked it up and finished it. My problem, is that I'm not really happy doing anything...I change my mind far too often and get sick of things far too easily. Tis a curse. :P
I don't think there's a very high percentage of people who know exactly what they want to do for a living fresh out of high school - and even if they think they do, they usually change it later. Also, I think more and more people are changing careers later in life, because like you said, they simply get burnt out on doing the same thing for too long - it gets boring after while. People usually need a bit of variety in their lives to keep things interesting.
Anyway, good luck with the beach job! :)
Well, this is the same kind of income that Models and Prostitutes can realize. But what typically happens is that none of the money is set aside for later. But what happens when these Models and Prostitutes and Hostesses turn 25 (not to mention '30') -- the skin tightens and the breasts begin their sag, and the look in the eye becomes too jaded and wise. With the loss of Freshness and Innocence, at least the appearance of innocence, so there is the proportionate loss in Income. Look around. How many hostesses, models and high income prostitutes are still pulling down 4 Figures a night.Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
So I started this new job. Serving at this restaurant/bar/club on the beach. Last Sunday several of the servers made over 4 grand in tips. In ONE night.
Again...the question is...*see subject*
Now, in Europe, particularly France, many a young lady will put herself thusly to work, simply to pile up money that she will subsequently throw toward not just College, but all and sundry Graduate, Master and Doctoral Programs. Some of the most Wealthy and Powerful women in France has once been hostesses, models and prostitutes. But they started with a plan. I am afraid that American young women simply take the money and run -- tossing it away in expensive living quarters, expensive cars, closets of clothes and shoes, and drugs drugs drugs, as well as supporting worthless guitar playing boyfriends.
So, yes, college is necessary because life is not over at 25.
So if you work 3 nights a week you'll earn $12,000. If you work 40 weeks a year, you'll earn $480,000!!! :o :o :o (I'm assuming you would take 3 months off a year to go to Paris, Hong Kong, and Tokyo for partying and shopping.) :wink:Quote:
4 grand in tips. In ONE night. [/b]
I do know some waiters in high end restaurants who make more than office workers with degrees, but I don't think they make this much money.
I spent thousands on university, and have an okay paying office job. I know an actor who got a part in a US commercial and made 30 grand for 4 hours work. However the rest of the time they work as a bar tender for less than I make.
The book Freakonomics has an interesting chapter on crack dealers. The guys at the top may make hundreds of thousands (maybe as much as these waiters on the beach), but the average dealer was making only $3.30 an hour, and had to work minimum wage jobs to supplement their income.
Hopefully an education helps with critical thinking and value analysis.
Well, I'm glad education is free where I live :-P
Unless the clients are millionaires, are you sure there weren't any other *services* involved?Quote:
Originally posted by Aquanina
So I started this new job. Serving at this restaurant/bar/club on the beach. Last Sunday several of the servers made over 4 grand in tips. In ONE night.
Again...the question is...*see subject*
Just asking... :D
Why do people go to college/university?
1. A safety net - you go because you're expected to go and you know that college grads statistically make more money that non-college grads, so if that that awesome, amazing, going-to-change-the-music-world garage band on which all of your current hopes and dreams are riding for some ungodly reason fails (obviously because people are idiots and too ignorant and short-sighted to appreciate your vision - it certainly is no reflection on you), you'll be able to pull down a comfortable salary on the weekdays and support your weekend music hobby, which incidentally you will forever secretly hope and believe will eventually "make it".
2. Party central - the very epitome of "youthful indiscretion" and a delightful opportunity to do all of those things your parents wouldn't let you do back in high school. There is a party every night and you’re at every one. This might only last a semester or two if you don’t start attending to your grades, but hey, it was fun while it lasted.
3. MRS degree – you didn’t meet anyone in high school and you want that damn white picket fence. You don’t care too much about your academics, just that whomever you choose for your husband will have a valuable degree with which to support your 2.3 children.
4. A step on the path to your money-making career - you like nice cars and expensive houses full of the latest gagets. You probably majored in something business-related or perhaps in engineering. You won’t be going on to grad school unless it promises at least a 20% salary increase.
5. A step on the path to the career which, at 17 or 18 years old, you believe will make you happy for the rest of your mysterious life - you were a decent to good student in high school and most likely a bit of a dreamer with your head in the clouds and perhaps your nose in a book. You probably majored in the liberal or performing arts or in one the pure sciences. You know you probably won’t be getting rich, but with enough passion for what you do, you’ll get by and be happy. You may have changed that major 20 times in four years, but you believed that each one is the key to an enjoyable and satisfying future.
6. You just love learning - if this is you, you'll probably stay in the academic cloister for the rest of your life in one way or another. The dress code is casual, the people are eccentric and intelligent, and you probably won't mind the insanely long hours for only moderate pay. People will respect you, and professorship is a perfect excuse to say just what you think (but only after you make tenure), regardless of how it is received. You’re expected to be eccentric and you delight in living up to the stereotype.
Now, I've probably missed one or a few, but I think those six categories cover about 90% of people who attend college/university.
I'm doing my philosophy degree so I can be a Certified bum.
Also, screw tips. It's just a way for the employer to smut jive his way out of paying the worker a few more dollars. NZ is better cos there are no tips. :D
Although, $4000 tips does sound appealing.........
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what about the "prove everyone wrong" category.Quote:
Originally posted by Peregrinus
Now, I've probably missed one or a few, but I think those six categories cover about 90% of people who attend college/university.