I'm sure in all actuality that would REALLY work. Plenty of money is being spent on trying to help those in poverty, but I don't think throwing more money into it would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
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I'm sure in all actuality that would REALLY work. Plenty of money is being spent on trying to help those in poverty, but I don't think throwing more money into it would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
I find one problem with that...
the money that is used on the war came from the prople already, so if you took away taxes, america would be a whole lot richer then too
Patronizing!!!! :o add that to your 'hallmarks' oh hypocritcal one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaniaz
Look, you can add something of use to the topic or you can continue to try to undermine me.
I will not respond to anymore of your taunts.
Artelis,
i can agree that at a time there was a smaller need for large sums of money because there were less people working . Now that there are more people working and more jobs why is the usual taxation system not keeping up?
It seems that if an (personal, not business) Income Tax was legal then it would have been put through the Supreme Court constitutionally, the basis for all American rights lies on that document. It has not been passed, actually rejected, on more than one occasion as being unconstitutional.
Then obviously we need an amendment. See my industrial revolution claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
No, no, I think you did a pretty good job of that yourself.Quote:
try to undermine me.[/b]
I do not think an amendment will pass in court today especially with people like Ed Brown fighting to not pay it. I would like to see the proceedings tho, could be interesting. It would either change the face of government or change the faces of those fighting not to pay it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artelis
What is this industrial revolution claim>?
It's pretty astonishing that you can't seem to grasp even the simplest of concepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
<strike>Would I be right if I guessed that you are only a teenager?</strike> EDIT: Oh wow - you're 24. This is worse than I thought.
The government provides me with nice stuff such as roads, a police force, protection of my rights (or, according to you, my lack thereof), and military protection against other countries. And then you come along and think that all this comes for free.
Further back in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
Roads, education, and such services are paid for not by income taxes but by state taxes, local taxes, and tax on gasoline . And where did the funds come from before 1913?
Oh yeh, everyone was living in mudhuts and lean-to's!
Do you use that very witty and intellictual 'teenager' statement with everone you cannot beat down with insults or am i the only lucky one?
If so --Much Love!
Quote MSG:
"stop arguing with him.
He's a teenager, his warped view won't change."
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Since you seem soo bright with your very thought out statements, why dont you use that great mass of grey matter and go for the $1,000,000 reward? DON'T WAIT!!...GO...why are you still reading this?? GO NOW!!!
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wow! you finally got around to that!
...maybe you can point this out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Artelis
The United States had few taxes in its early history, and various tariffs provided for a large amount of national income.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
EDIT: And the Civil War saw rise to the first law regarding income tax, based on very specific incomes.
Wow, such a hypocrite I am, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
I don't understand why you keep bringing up 1913. That was almost one hundred years ago. Times change. The government needs money. Get over it.
Teenager's can't make meaningful points?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
NONE of those would exist without the government. These things could exist without the government, but it's doubtful. The government provides one thing we can't do on our own: enforcement. A citizen has no authority over any other citizen, and can't make them do anything. Nobody could make anyone pave a road, or build a school. The government can. I'm not saying enforcement is always a good thing (In every situation, anyway), I'm saying it's necessary.
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Originally Posted by MSG
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Originally Posted by MSG
Here we go...The usual suspects riding the short bus team up to form one individual of average intelligence in order to argue about pointless drivel, and fuel their pathetic existences. What else is new? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by MSG
Aww, How sweet. Retard Camaraderie to overcome adversity... You guys should do a Lifetime special, or something.
If they're looking for funding they should lap up that
$1,000,000 reward that seems soo easy to prove!
Lets forget 1789 while we're at it
That was over 200 YEARS AGO
it holds no impact for our lives today!
Ok this is starting to turn into a flame war, calm down.
I wouldn't say that, things from the past influence how we live today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
*sigh* yeah i was using -sarcasm- in response to MSG's lack of foresight
I believe what he was saying was the economy from 1913 has nothing to do with the economy today. It's completely different. I agree with him. Bringing up 1913 to validate that we don't need an income tax now is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming
Our income taxes helped turn the U.S. into the super power it is today. Look around you. We are some of the luckiest people in the world. The media just inflates our countries issues and even though it gets it's facts straight, it makes us feel like our country is going into a hole.
Saying that it does not matter that the wool has been pulled over a nations eyes, blinding it to the robbery that happens everyday through an illegal law that is also unconstitutional, just because it happened in 1913 is a good symptom of complacency.
Complacency leads to a nation of followers and those who are willing to be told what to do, how to do it, how to be and how not to be. By giving up on something that happened without consent even if it was 100 years ago, still affects how a nation lives today and understands their place within that nation. As a pawn.
Democracy needs responsibile dissent to things that stand to attack the structure and cornerstone of the very society it exists in.
All i am saying is that if we want to give up on it now, then dont ever ask another question regarding authority and the powers that be, do not ask about operations northwoods, do not ask about the details of the kennedy assisanation, do not ask for details on 9-11 and continue swallowing the shit that the run-by-bureaucrat media that tells you EXACTLY how everything REALLY is.
When media stops spinning truth then i'll pay attention to what they are saying. but until they stop treating their people like an ignorant mass sponge, i won't be on that bandwagon.
If you guys start rebelling I guess the'll just make a new law that says everybody have to pay taxes, and swish the problem's solved.
If it's constitutional they can't just make a new law. They have to ammend the constitution. Which I'm sure if it came down to it, nearly everybody in the house and the senate would be willing to do so to keep the income tax around. Getting rid of it would be the worst thing the US could do at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohmaN
The PEOPLE still have a say on how THEIR country is run in the USA the last time i checked. Congress works on behalf of the people and not the financail powers that happen to be on top of society as we see it today.
If this is not true then Amerika has definately become a Dictatorship on it s way to a Fascist nation.
Yeeeep. This is pretty much what I was saying at the start. Whatever you think of taxes, the government likes them and I'm betting they'd gladly amend the constitution for taxes. Not that they even need to.Quote:
If it's constitutional they can't just make a new law. They have to ammend the constitution. Which I'm sure if it came down to it, nearly everybody in the house and the senate would be willing to do so to keep the income tax around. Getting rid of it would be the worst thing the US could do at this point.[/b]
FACIST NATION?! OH NO! Your claims suck. Learn to spell America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conforming