Interestingly enough, I've also been looking at the ZEO device you mentioned! Would you mind giving me your opinion on that device? I'm looking at getting the headband, but it's £90, so I need to know if it's worth it or not.Quote:
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Also, thanks for those helpful links :) It's now on my 'If I'm Very Very Rich' list.
For me personally, the ZEO is an addictive device. I actually feel excited when i wake up because i want to see what my ZEO score is which tells you how good your sleep was. Not only that, it tells you exactly how much deep sleep you got vs REM vs Light vs wake state. It actually gives you a graph with exact timings of when you fell asleep, when you went into deep sleep etc. For me its worth it because as you can probably tell, i am fascinated by what can be achieved with proper sleep. This device lets me monitor and adjust my routines because i can see trends of what i do during the day and how my sleep is affected. Like for example i was travelling last week and skiing 6 hours a day for most of the week, the days when i was exhausting my body, the trend was that my deep sleep was more, which makes sense as your muscles are repaired in deep sleep. Again if you work out, its good to know that your getting ample deep sleep otherwise your gym workouts are pointless if your goal is muscle gain. This device gives you the ability to monitor which i believe is key in achieving quite a lot of things. Now on days when i go through vivid or lucid dreams, i know it as soon as i wake up, for example one morning when i woke up, i had the vivid dream fresh in my head which at the time felt like it went on for atleast over an hour, and the ZEO device confirmed it that at exactly this time i started REM phase for this long. On top of that you can upload your data online and it creates trends and provides tips for sleep etc if you are really into this whole sleep phenomena. If this fascinates you, then i would definitely recommend it. Also its a really good alarm clock, waking up to the various alarm tones is refreshing and doesnt hurt your head. The one i have set is of a natural sound of the birds chirping outside, so it almost feels like a natural wakeup, as if there really are birds chirping outside is how clear the speaker on it is.
Also to note, 90 pounds which equates to 141 CDN is a rip off for just a head band. I paid $150 for the whole set including the alarm clock : Zeo | Purchase
I definitely want to buy it now based on your review. The reason I was only looking at the head band was because the Android App only needs the headband, so the clock then seems like a bit of a waste. Of course, the Zeo Bedside is expensive in the UK at £140, since all technology is ridiculously expensive here. Is the bedside kit worth £50 more?Quote:
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Just found this thread ,and I am about ready to buy one...how is it going now? Still likebit?
Hi. I sell nothing, so I don't think I am breaking forum rules, but I will say that I am biased toward the Brain Tuner/Bio Tuner. I write this post because after reading conversations, it seems I can fill in a few gaps of missing info. If anyone is interested in listening to the audio lecture from the early 80s about this technology, then **you can PM me for the link.**
Bob Beck was not a medical doctor, rather he had a Doctor of Science, he was a physicist and an electrical engineer, and list goes on. Very interesting human being whose ideas and work were decades ahead of his time. CES technology has been around for a hundred years. Originally called electro-sleep. Originally the intent was to try and put a person to sleep, but it didn't work quite like that. This was popular in Eastern Europe where most of the research was originally done. However, there was no interest in North America for this type of technology or electrotherapy in general. This is not necessarily due to conspiracy - although a little of that is definitely thrown in the mix - but rather North America had adopted a theory of Rationalist medicine. It wasn't enough that a therapy worked, you also had to have a theory of why and how it worked. With the prevailing medicine at the time believing we were wholly mechanical and chemical in nature - something electrical definitely did not follow any rational belief. However, forms of CES and electrotherapy continued to exist nonetheless - mainly because it worked....
That aside, Bob Beck based his CES unit, the Brain Tuner, or Biotuner, on the work of Meg Patterson and also the Russian research. Meg Patterson's unit was not portable, and she believed in entirely going the medical approval work. Bob's philosophy was that this type of technology, being wholly safe, should be in the hands of the people (he was dubbed the people's scientist) for individuals to choose for themselves. This is why this consumer product has no studies on it, and makes no claims other than relaxation and an increased sense of well-being. This was done to keep it easily accessible and affordable for the average person. In contrast, at the same time in the early 80s that Bob developed his unit, Daniel Kirsch of Alpha Stim developed his. He agreed with Patterson, and he wanted to go the medical route with FDA approval. As it turns out he had to finally sue the FDA in order to get it approved. So his CES unit is several hundred dollars more, but it does have many studies attached to it. Despite it being "approved" most in the medical establishment know little to nothing about it. So neither man was right or wrong in his approach - they just had different philosophies. From these two units sprung all the other companies making their own versions.
Bob did a lot of research in earlier years, and had also developed an EEG unit. With this unit, he observed the brain wave states of spiritual healers such as Shaman etc. This information was also built into the Brain Tuner (Biotuner) as the "secret" Russian 111.111 frequency, but also Bob decided to add in the earth frequency of 7.8 hz at the request of fellow scientists, friends and associates who felt this frequency assisted in meditative states.
It is true that a common "side-effect" can be lucid dreaming. However, the technology was actually for depression, anxiety, insomnia, addictions, brain enhancement etc. The Bio Tuner, or Brain Tuner, is a consumer product that is for relaxation and for promoting a sense of well-being, so it doesn't make any medical claims.
However, there are some cautions with using the unit. Twenty minute cycles are built-in and you should never use it more than 40 minutes at a time. Research indicates that 45 minutes is the "red" line, and after that point, anything beneficial starts being undone. If someone had a real serious condition, they may consider using the unit 40 minutes twice or 3 times a day, but not consecutively. For lucid dreaming purposes, probably 20 to 40 minutes once a day is probably sufficient. The other thing is, if someone wants restful sleep, it is not advised to use it sooner than 5 hours before bedtime. Also a caution is that it can cause temporary blood pressure drops, so you don't want to use it driving, etc - the usual warnings that come with all electronic equipment like this. Another is that approximately 10 percent of the population will get headaches or shoulder/neck pain with it, despite the fact the electrodes attach to the earlobes. Not sure what causes this, but it is occassionally reported.
Warm regards to all,
Vicki
Hopefully, this reply answers some questions and curiosities out there. Feel free to contact me **using Private Message** for any clarification on what I've said here.
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Also, I do have a ZEO device and it is a great little unit. Since this thread is talking about these two things biotuner and zeo - so as not to cause confusion - zeo only measures sleeping brain waves, whereas the biotuner alters your brainwaves.
Hi, i'm new here and the reason i'm here is because i was inspired by this topic and got myself a bt8 recently.
Can someone tell me which mode is best for memory improvement? and does this mode also promote lucid dream since it improves memory? I read that atkins513 was able to recall his dream even after having some alcohol. I wonder which mode did he used for that.
So far i have been experiencing with mode 1 and i does help to ease my anxiety. But i'm more interested to know which specific mode is good for memory.
Would appreciate anyone's valuable feedback.
Thanks
Hi!
The only reason for the modes is to prevent brain acclimatization and for comfort. For example, the original BT5 only had the one frequency, but if someone was using their unit frequently, then the brain becomes used to it. So change it up once in awhile.
The only modes that are more experimental are modes 3 and 6 - which are attuned to the 7.8 earth frequency. Some individuals claim that this aids them in reaching meditative states easier.
Lucid dreaming is a common side effect, but not everyone experiences it - but as I say, it is commonly reported. This happens as a result of the base frequency of 111.111 hz, which is the purported original frequency Russian scientists use. It is not because of the different modes.
I'm happy you are experiencing some good results with it. Results are usually known in a few days to thirty days. If one wasn't experiencing any improvements generally in that time, then it probably won't work for that individual. Also, after 30 days of continuous daily use (which is the suggested protocol), you want to give it a break, and only use on a maintenance schedule after that - like once a week, or the full 30 days once a year - depending on what you are using it for.
I am only an educator who shares the experiences of others. I don't sell anything. If you feel the need for more info, feel free to contact me at Sharing Health From the Heart. There is also a free audio download of Bob Beck, the designer, talking about what he learned about this technology. Fascinating and fun stuff.
Warm regards,
Vicki
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Thanks for your helpful answer, since 111hz is the key, then i'd stay with mode 1 or 4. Yeah, the result was quite instant for me, may because i use it a lot in a day, about 6 times. But not consecutively. I'm a polyphasic sleeper, so i use it whenever i wake up after my short naps.
It is interesting you are using it that much. I am hopeful you will journal your experience. I haven't heard of anyone using it that much.
You say you are not using it consecutively during the day, thanks, and please don't. 45 minutes at a time is the red line. Research indicates after that, you will quickly undo whatever good you've been doing.
In a regular protocol (which doesn't include the goal of lucid dreaming), if someone had a very serious issue, like deep depression, or a hard drug addiction, one might use it for 20-40 minutes at a time, 2-3 times a day for 30 days. Others with issues not as serious, might use it for 20 minutes twice a day. And for the average person, usually it is used once a day for 20 minutes. Normally, except for this group, I would suggest that individuals don't use it within 5 hours of bedtime, because it can have a wakefulness aspect to it, rather than sleep inducing. Some people describe the feeling induced as a "relaxed state of awareness."
Also, I didn't mention in my last post, there are some that believe that the modes 1,2,3 are more restful while the 4,5,6 are more alpha-inducing. Here is what one reseller says of the BT. I can't mention the url here because I think it is against the rules, but he has good information and a lot of experience.
"Note that settings 1, 2, 3, have a pulse duration of 550 microseconds and settings 4, 5, and 6 have a pulse duration of 220 microseconds. This represents the active ON time of the pulse. We do not have any published research that would support the use of one pulse width setting over the other. The underlying waveform of the BT-8 is the same, regardless of the setting you select. This means that any of the six settings will provide a broad spectrum of frequency harmonics and all of them will work! Just find the setting that feels best to you.(1) 111.11 Hz - this was the setting for the original BT-5 Brain Tuner from 1983. It includes hundreds of harmonics. Many users find this setting to be more energizing. This pulsation frequency is actually present in all six of the BT-8 settings.
(2) 1 sec. ON / 1 sec. OFF - this 0.5Hz. voltage modulation corresponds to the low Delta brainwave frequency. This frequency, in terms of EEG brainwave, is associated with deep REM sleep.
(3) 7.83 Hz - this was Bob Beck's favorite - Schumann Resonance frequency (also known as the Earth Resonance Frequency or Earth's Brainwave), due to the resemblance to the human Alpha brainwave pattern. This setting may help to synchronize the energy levels of the left and right brain EEG patterns. As a pioneer of EEG bio-feedback instrumentation, Beck tested numerous healers, shamans, Hawaiian Kahunas, dowsers, etc. and found that all of them exhibited high levels of brainwave activity in the 7.83Hz. frequency when they were engaged in actual healing activity.
The 7.83 Alpha frequency is also associated with increased creativity, superlearning, memory improvement, intuitive insights and more. We have not found this to produce paranormal or psychic abilities. This type of entrainment of the brain would be more likely with a magnetic pulse device that operates within the human brainwave frequency range."
Also, they say:
"What Time of Day to Use BT-8
It is alright to use the brain tuner any time of day. However, due to the body's daily variations in Bio-rhythms, blood sugar levels, etc. your responses to the brain tuner may vary according to the time of day it is used. For example, some individuals using BT-8 near their normal bed time, may find that it gives them a lot of extra energy and they do not feel tired. In this case, try using the unit earlier in the day, or try using the 0.5 Hz. setting. It is important to use the BT-8 each day for 2 to 3 weeks in order to achieve the maximum benefits. There is no need to repeat the entire 2 to 3 weeks if you happen to skip a day or two. Following the initial series of sessions, BT-8 may be used on occasion as desired to maintain the initial improvements. For example, memory improvements may maintain up to 1 year before additional sessions are necessary. Other gains may be more temporary and require more frequent reinforcement. Individual results will vary.
Possible Side Effects
Vivid Dreaming - over the years, we have observed that some individuals experience very enhanced dreams during the first week or two of using the BT-8. This is not permanent and usually does not last more than a few weeks."
So this goes with my original advice of not to use it more than 30 days. Then put it away, and come back to it in a few months.
Warm regards,
Vicki
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Any updates?
I've been using it for about 3 weeks now. So far so good. I feel that i tend to think things more positively after about an hour using it. I don't notice any boost in lucid dream tho. I feel that mode 1 helps a lot with detachment . Somehow my brain couldn't process the things as much as it would during mode 1.
I'll continue with my experiment and will update again for any other side effect.