Thread: Anyone ever use the Biotuner (Sota BT7) to Stimulate Lucidity? Post your experiences

These are a few medical researches done by various doctors in the USA: FisherWallaceLabs's Channel - YouTube

It summarizes how the device works and how/why its effective.

More info here : Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation: A Non-Drug Neuromedical Treatment | Brain Blogger
Lucid Dream Induction Via Cranial Electro Stimulation (CES) | Mortal Mist
Hack Canada : CES: The Science and The Conspiracy

For me personally, the most notable difference is in reduction of anxiety, so i do feel that my money spent on it was well worth it. The more i use it, the more balanced i feel. I bought it mainly for sleep issues and concentration, it definitely aided a bit with my sleep issues as my sleeping has been pretty good as of late, i can sleep on time etc. But again it didnt seem to really do much in terms of concentration. My comparison is with Vyvanse which is the best ADD pill out there, there is no way that this device would even come close to giving me the same concentration as Vyvanse does. Even with sleep its not very obvious that its helping you right post session, it seems to be more gradual the more you use the device. I have been using it for about a month now and i would say my sleeps now are improved from 1 month ago for certain, and i am keeping track with my ZEO device that monitors my sleep patterns. I am personally hoping/waiting to get my neurotrek device which apparently is the strongest CES device on the market that can change your brain state within minutes as it targets only 1 frequency at a time. These other devices send 100's of frequencies at the same time so all they seem to be doing is re-calibrating your overall brain. Neurotrek on the other hand seems to be a device that would let you to go in specific brainstate at will by just choosing it, so if you want to fall asleep, you can choose delta frequency and youd be passed out within 10 minutes. If you want to lucid dream, there are specific frequencies that would help with that as well. I personally cannot attest to these claims as i haven't personally tested the neurotrek yet, but from people who i have spoken with that do have this device do attest to its powerful capabilities. I will provide an update once i receive it.

Originally Posted by f2jilani

These are a few medical researches done by various doctors in the USA: FisherWallaceLabs's Channel - YouTube

It summarizes how the device works and how/why its effective.

More info here : Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation: A Non-Drug Neuromedical Treatment | Brain Blogger
Lucid Dream Induction Via Cranial Electro Stimulation (CES) | Mortal Mist
Hack Canada : CES: The Science and The Conspiracy

For me personally, the most notable difference is in reduction of anxiety, so i do feel that my money spent on it was well worth it. The more i use it, the more balanced i feel. I bought it mainly for sleep issues and concentration, it definitely aided a bit with my sleep issues as my sleeping has been pretty good as of late, i can sleep on time etc. But again it didnt seem to really do much in terms of concentration. My comparison is with Vyvanse which is the best ADD pill out there, there is no way that this device would even come close to giving me the same concentration as Vyvanse does. Even with sleep its not very obvious that its helping you right post session, it seems to be more gradual the more you use the device. I have been using it for about a month now and i would say my sleeps now are improved from 1 month ago for certain, and i am keeping track with my ZEO device that monitors my sleep patterns. I am personally hoping/waiting to get my neurotrek device which apparently is the strongest CES device on the market that can change your brain state within minutes as it targets only 1 frequency at a time. These other devices send 100's of frequencies at the same time so all they seem to be doing is re-calibrating your overall brain. Neurotrek on the other hand seems to be a device that would let you to go in specific brainstate at will by just choosing it, so if you want to fall asleep, you can choose delta frequency and youd be passed out within 10 minutes. If you want to lucid dream, there are specific frequencies that would help with that as well. I personally cannot attest to these claims as i haven't personally tested the neurotrek yet, but from people who i have spoken with that do have this device do attest to its powerful capabilities. I will provide an update once i receive it.

Interestingly enough, I've also been looking at the ZEO device you mentioned! Would you mind giving me your opinion on that device? I'm looking at getting the headband, but it's £90, so I need to know if it's worth it or not.

Also, thanks for those helpful links It's now on my 'If I'm Very Very Rich' list.

For me personally, the ZEO is an addictive device. I actually feel excited when i wake up because i want to see what my ZEO score is which tells you how good your sleep was. Not only that, it tells you exactly how much deep sleep you got vs REM vs Light vs wake state. It actually gives you a graph with exact timings of when you fell asleep, when you went into deep sleep etc. For me its worth it because as you can probably tell, i am fascinated by what can be achieved with proper sleep. This device lets me monitor and adjust my routines because i can see trends of what i do during the day and how my sleep is affected. Like for example i was travelling last week and skiing 6 hours a day for most of the week, the days when i was exhausting my body, the trend was that my deep sleep was more, which makes sense as your muscles are repaired in deep sleep. Again if you work out, its good to know that your getting ample deep sleep otherwise your gym workouts are pointless if your goal is muscle gain. This device gives you the ability to monitor which i believe is key in achieving quite a lot of things. Now on days when i go through vivid or lucid dreams, i know it as soon as i wake up, for example one morning when i woke up, i had the vivid dream fresh in my head which at the time felt like it went on for atleast over an hour, and the ZEO device confirmed it that at exactly this time i started REM phase for this long. On top of that you can upload your data online and it creates trends and provides tips for sleep etc if you are really into this whole sleep phenomena. If this fascinates you, then i would definitely recommend it. Also its a really good alarm clock, waking up to the various alarm tones is refreshing and doesnt hurt your head. The one i have set is of a natural sound of the birds chirping outside, so it almost feels like a natural wakeup, as if there really are birds chirping outside is how clear the speaker on it is.

Also to note, 90 pounds which equates to 141 CDN is a rip off for just a head band. I paid $150 for the whole set including the alarm clock : Zeo | Purchase

Originally Posted by f2jilani

For me personally, the ZEO is an addictive device. I actually feel excited when i wake up because i want to see what my ZEO score is which tells you how good your sleep was. Not only that, it tells you exactly how much deep sleep you got vs REM vs Light vs wake state. It actually gives you a graph with exact timings of when you fell asleep, when you went into deep sleep etc. For me its worth it because as you can probably tell, i am fascinated by what can be achieved with proper sleep. This device lets me monitor and adjust my routines because i can see trends of what i do during the day and how my sleep is affected. Like for example i was travelling last week and skiing 6 hours a day for most of the week, the days when i was exhausting my body, the trend was that my deep sleep was more, which makes sense as your muscles are repaired in deep sleep. Again if you work out, its good to know that your getting ample deep sleep otherwise your gym workouts are pointless if your goal is muscle gain. This device gives you the ability to monitor which i believe is key in achieving quite a lot of things. Now on days when i go through vivid or lucid dreams, i know it as soon as i wake up, for example one morning when i woke up, i had the vivid dream fresh in my head which at the time felt like it went on for atleast over an hour, and the ZEO device confirmed it that at exactly this time i started REM phase for this long. On top of that you can upload your data online and it creates trends and provides tips for sleep etc if you are really into this whole sleep phenomena. If this fascinates you, then i would definitely recommend it. Also its a really good alarm clock, waking up to the various alarm tones is refreshing and doesnt hurt your head. The one i have set is of a natural sound of the birds chirping outside, so it almost feels like a natural wakeup, as if there really are birds chirping outside is how clear the speaker on it is.

Also to note, 90 pounds which equates to 141 CDN is a rip off for just a head band. I paid $150 for the whole set including the alarm clock : Zeo | Purchase

I definitely want to buy it now based on your review. The reason I was only looking at the head band was because the Android App only needs the headband, so the clock then seems like a bit of a waste. Of course, the Zeo Bedside is expensive in the UK at £140, since all technology is ridiculously expensive here. Is the bedside kit worth £50 more?

Just found this thread ,and I am about ready to buy one...how is it going now? Still likebit?

Hi. I sell nothing, so I don't think I am breaking forum rules, but I will say that I am biased toward the Brain Tuner/Bio Tuner. I write this post because after reading conversations, it seems I can fill in a few gaps of missing info. If anyone is interested in listening to the audio lecture from the early 80s about this technology, then **you can PM me for the link.**

Bob Beck was not a medical doctor, rather he had a Doctor of Science, he was a physicist and an electrical engineer, and list goes on. Very interesting human being whose ideas and work were decades ahead of his time. CES technology has been around for a hundred years. Originally called electro-sleep. Originally the intent was to try and put a person to sleep, but it didn't work quite like that. This was popular in Eastern Europe where most of the research was originally done. However, there was no interest in North America for this type of technology or electrotherapy in general. This is not necessarily due to conspiracy - although a little of that is definitely thrown in the mix - but rather North America had adopted a theory of Rationalist medicine. It wasn't enough that a therapy worked, you also had to have a theory of why and how it worked. With the prevailing medicine at the time believing we were wholly mechanical and chemical in nature - something electrical definitely did not follow any rational belief. However, forms of CES and electrotherapy continued to exist nonetheless - mainly because it worked....

That aside, Bob Beck based his CES unit, the Brain Tuner, or Biotuner, on the work of Meg Patterson and also the Russian research. Meg Patterson's unit was not portable, and she believed in entirely going the medical approval work. Bob's philosophy was that this type of technology, being wholly safe, should be in the hands of the people (he was dubbed the people's scientist) for individuals to choose for themselves. This is why this consumer product has no studies on it, and makes no claims other than relaxation and an increased sense of well-being. This was done to keep it easily accessible and affordable for the average person. In contrast, at the same time in the early 80s that Bob developed his unit, Daniel Kirsch of Alpha Stim developed his. He agreed with Patterson, and he wanted to go the medical route with FDA approval. As it turns out he had to finally sue the FDA in order to get it approved. So his CES unit is several hundred dollars more, but it does have many studies attached to it. Despite it being "approved" most in the medical establishment know little to nothing about it. So neither man was right or wrong in his approach - they just had different philosophies. From these two units sprung all the other companies making their own versions.

Bob did a lot of research in earlier years, and had also developed an EEG unit. With this unit, he observed the brain wave states of spiritual healers such as Shaman etc. This information was also built into the Brain Tuner (Biotuner) as the "secret" Russian 111.111 frequency, but also Bob decided to add in the earth frequency of 7.8 hz at the request of fellow scientists, friends and associates who felt this frequency assisted in meditative states.

It is true that a common "side-effect" can be lucid dreaming. However, the technology was actually for depression, anxiety, insomnia, addictions, brain enhancement etc. The Bio Tuner, or Brain Tuner, is a consumer product that is for relaxation and for promoting a sense of well-being, so it doesn't make any medical claims.

However, there are some cautions with using the unit. Twenty minute cycles are built-in and you should never use it more than 40 minutes at a time. Research indicates that 45 minutes is the "red" line, and after that point, anything beneficial starts being undone. If someone had a real serious condition, they may consider using the unit 40 minutes twice or 3 times a day, but not consecutively. For lucid dreaming purposes, probably 20 to 40 minutes once a day is probably sufficient. The other thing is, if someone wants restful sleep, it is not advised to use it sooner than 5 hours before bedtime. Also a caution is that it can cause temporary blood pressure drops, so you don't want to use it driving, etc - the usual warnings that come with all electronic equipment like this. Another is that approximately 10 percent of the population will get headaches or shoulder/neck pain with it, despite the fact the electrodes attach to the earlobes. Not sure what causes this, but it is occassionally reported.

Warm regards to all,
Vicki

Hopefully, this reply answers some questions and curiosities out there. Feel free to contact me **using Private Message** for any clarification on what I've said here.


**Edited by melanieb for links that are similar to advertising. You may contact this user via PM to get the information directly.**

Also, I do have a ZEO device and it is a great little unit. Since this thread is talking about these two things biotuner and zeo - so as not to cause confusion - zeo only measures sleeping brain waves, whereas the biotuner alters your brainwaves.