Galantamind Melatonin and WILDing...

Hey guys, I'm just making a quick thread as I believe my last post was in the wrong section.

I recently bought GalantaMind from amazon and tried one pill Saturday morning. I didn't sleep well but the dreams I had were far more vivid than usual and my dream recall was much improved. And to my shock I can say that about every night since, that I'm still having more vivid dreams and I still can recall them better.

Now I'm looking to experiment and find the best way to ensure LDing. Part of that is an app I'm using on my android phone that helps me with realty checks.

The questions I have are first, should I take 5mg's of melatonin at the beginning of the night, then set alarm for five hours later to take a GM pill or two? And what is a good average time for a WILD, as I'll already be up to take the GM pill?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Take it slow with the melatonin as well, always start with the minimal doses of everything and slowly build up over time to find the minimum dose that works for you. 5mg may be enough to suppress REM well into the middle of your sleep, or perhaps farther, and suppressed REM means (probably) no LDs.

Good luck! Oh you may also want to try adding in some extra choline (choline bitartrate or alpha-gpc) along with the galantine. Anyone taking supplements for lucid dreaming should be required to first read the Thomas Yuschak book, BTW, I highly recommend doing so.

Hey FryingMan, thanks for the help... Yeah, I think I should probably just cut the pill in half then, the melatonin I mean. And yes, I've read many members talking about Yuschak's book, lots of great information... Galantamind has choline in it, 200mg in each pill, and I read to take up to two... Is that how much you meant or should I possibly invest in seperate pills?

Thanks again!

Also, still doing more reading on the various methods for LDing... WILD seems really tough, but I think I may have experienced the beginnings, if that's possible, before.

Would my best bet be to just take about 2.5mg's of Melatonin at the beginning of the night, set alarm for 5 hours later and take 1 GlantaMind pil, do a WBTB for a about a half hour and come and read posts here, and then try and WILD?

Thoughts as always are appreciated!

Wow, come on, too many responses to read through!:} Kidding of course, but it'd be great if someone in my similar circumstances could offer some advice on how to deal with my approach... Or if a vet would have some critiques or some such... Thanks again!

Lucid dreaming, and supplements, is largely a solo path. What works for some doesn't work for others. So you have to experiment and figure it out for yourself. The general agreed upon approach is to try to introduce supplements one by one and at minimal doses until you find what works for you. Melatonin at bed-time might knock our your dreaming (and thus lucidity) and counteract galantamine until it wears off later in the morning. Or it might keep you relaxed enough to fall easily back asleep after taking the G. And Yuschak recommends combining different forms of choline,specifically choline bitartrate and alpha-gpc, as they have different decay curves, with the notion of prolonging the period when the G is active and giving you the most chance to have LDs.

My advice: Screw the melatonin, take galantamine+choline after ~4,5 hrs of sleep. Be active for ~30-40 minutes, I mean really active, go out, maybe buy a breakfast... The longer wbtb the better, but remember peak plasma level of galatamine is 60 minutes, that means that after ingesting the pill you need to be sleeping in 60 minutes afterward. Don't try to wild, it won't allow you to fall asleep fast if you are not well trained wilder. Instead do just 10 minutes mild and go normaly sleep.

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My advice: Screw the melatonin, take galantamine+choline after ~4,5 hrs of sleep. Be active for ~30-40 minutes, I mean really active, go out, maybe buy a breakfast... The longer wbtb the better, but remember peak plasma level of galatamine is 60 minutes, that means that after ingesting the pill you need to be sleeping in 60 minutes afterward. Don't try to wild, it won't allow you to fall asleep fast if you are not well trained wilder. Instead do just 10 minutes mild and go normaly sleep.

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If you have trouble falling alseep, however, (Nfri seems to be one of the lucky ones who can fall asleep quickly on demand, do I remember that correctly, Nfri?) I'd modify this by taking the supplements then immediately going back to bed. Do this at a time of the night where you normally can get back to sleep quickly. You'd much much much rather be asleep with the supplements kick in is the point. No visualizations, no MILD, just take 'em and return to sleep as quickly as possible. But that's for me, I've yet to be able to get back to sleep during the peak of the galantamine/choline after about 4 attempts. So experiment with timing to find what works best for you.

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(Nfri seems to be one of the lucky ones who can fall asleep quickly on demand, do I remember that correctly, Nfri?)

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I though I'm lucky but last two times, I get trouble to fall back to sleep. Anyway trick is wake up in the time you feel very tired. Use will to wake up and raise your awareness. Good idea is to think your self that you must go to work, school test, dentist or something unpleasant and you can't affort to go back to sleep. When you lie to your self like that, then you go back to sleep and you will be sleepin in 5 min. I just woke up from 30 minutes long LD but timing was wrong, I couldn't sleep so quickly, because I was feeling rested and full of energy. It takes mind control and long time to fall asleep again. The result was lucid dream with full lucidity but vividness were weird and control sux. Need to analyze that.

Was it a "G" LD or without supplements?

Try to guess :teeth:

Well, "shee hubba hubba," I don't know. More galantamine, choline, and scrambled eggs for breakfast I suppose? 30 minutes LD? Da-yum.

Hey Fryingman, yes, like so many things LD is just as individualized as anything. And experimenting might just be the ticket, although I did up myself to the limit GM wise and took two pills, though again not much happened in the way of LDing.

Nfri, yes, WILDing seems tough right now as I've never done it but have been reading up a lot on it. But yeah, the WBTB is more than doable and your timing may just work. Though as Fryingman indicated I take it you generally have good luck with falling back to sleep?

Either way thanks guys, this is what I need, just some basic guidance now that I'm taking these supplements and reading all things LD. (Which is why I'm here also, as I can only imagine there's a lot of crap out there.)

I should also add, or rather ask, what you guys think about these dream control \ LD hypnosis programs? The same thing for youtube videos that use bi-neural beats, hypnosis, etc, while you're sleeping... Have you tried them with any degree of success?

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Originally Posted by DeltaDreamer

I should also add, or rather ask, what you guys think about these dream control \ LD hypnosis programs? The same thing for youtube videos that use bi-neural beats, hypnosis, etc, while you're sleeping... Have you tried them with any degree of success?

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Tried them once or twice, mostly just kept me awake, I have to use headphones so that's fairly inconvenient and uncomfortable.

Hey Deltadreamer, I've used G+Ch somewhat like you, and although I've tried to WILD on it, I've never yet succeeded like Yuschak suggests. I've now concluded that it's best to just get back to sleep. I've had DILDs on about half the times I've tried, but usually about 2-3 hours after taking, probably because I struggle to get to sleep.
I've been concentrating on better dream recall and awareness and have been slowly improving that. I think my route to success will be better natural ability, but hope the supplements will keep me interested on the way!
I only do the G once a week, and take Piracetam on the morning after to help it clear, which seems to work in terms of not getting desensitised.

I think the only way for G/ChBi/A-GPC to work for me is to take it while still very tired and immediately go back to sleep, no daydreaming, no anticipating awesome dreams, just head immediately for unconscious mindless sleep, no WILDs, etc. I'll also try taking it earlier since at 5 hours I generally wake up really easily. 4 hours probably next time. Should be fine since I normally have really aware dreams around 6th hour.

What a good source of piracetam? Looked on amazon a few times but nothing seemed good. Loose powder sort of freaks me out I'd want either tablets or capsules (although I prefer tablets because capsules seem to stick in my throat easily).

Frying man - Yeah that's the trouble I have with headphones as well!

Goldenspark - Yep, Yuschak seemed to be very enthusiastic about the G+Ch, but I haven't used it enough to agree or disagree really. And yes, your path seems similar to my own as I too need to get better with recall and awareness. Tell me this though, do you really need to take Piracetam even if you used the GM at the recommend rate? That is to say, if you don't use it more than you should, you shouldn't have any issues right?

Fryingman again:} - Again, I'm guessing I'm like you as well in that just take the damn pills and go back to sleep! So you're saying you do better after 4 hours?

Also I found choline on sale at GNC.com and hopefully at the store, 250 mgs for about 9 dollars. As you recommended above to augment the GM I already have, you think that would work? But will that be too much?

As always guys I very appreciate the help! EDIT: Also if you wouldn't mind go to GNC and check it out as well, white bottle blue label, just want to make sure!

Don't know yet about the 4 hours. But I want to be *asleep* when the stuff hits so as not to waste time! WILD has never been my friend, so I'm aiming for DILD with the supps for now.

Just keep experimenting, starting with small doses at first and building up from there, and experimenting with timing. It's all about finding your own personal sweet spot.

I'm stoked with my AAB success, maybe this means the G will work for me next time.

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Goldenspark - Tell me this though, do you really need to take Piracetam even if you used the GM at the recommend rate? That is to say, if you don't use it more than you should, you shouldn't have any issues right?

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I've tried taking Piracetam immediately on walking as Yuschak suggested, but not so I can take the G more often. It does just seem to make me feel better. After G my head can feel a little "hungover", but really its only slight and I'm not too bothered either way. I've only ever done Max 8mg G, and only once a week usually, although I did try a three day break once with Pira to see.
Without Pira I can say the effects of the G seem to go on into the second night in terms of dream vividness and recall, but then nights 3&4 tend to be often poor recall, like a rebound?
I am concerned that I would prefer a natural ability:-)

Cool guys, thanks for the help... By and large having taken the GM I haven't had any trouble really, not enough to take something else to get it out my system... I was just concerned that it seemed you should take it either way after you take the GM, as I only thought it was just if you are taking too much or OD.

Fryingman - AAB success?

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Fryingman - AAB success?

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Yes, I had vivid and long, fun/wild dreams late morning with way more action than normal for late morning dreams (which are usually closer to lifelike), and a fun lucid minute (not high level and no goals memory but still fun). I posted about it on my DJ and on other lucid aid threads. It made me very interested in trying out the exact Yuschak formula. Others have posited that the fuller blend I took may be better than the Yuschak 3. However, since it was from a muscle gainer mix, it most probably contains the D-AA instead of the L-AA.

Wow man, very cool... I hope to have half your success!

So I went over Yuschak's guide again in conjunction with you Goldenspark's help and finally put two and two together... "I think the only way for G/ChBi/A-GPC to work for me is to take it while still very tired and immediately go back to sleep..."

So allow me to point out the obvious and say... Is taking the Galantamind AND Alpha-GPC supplements is one the combo you're using and two, what Yuschak suggested? (Sorry to sound so dense but I don't want to fudge anything up, especially taking supplements.)

I went to amazon and found Now Foods Alpha GPC 300 mg tabs, 22 dollars for 60 pills. What is your source for AGPC and is 300 mg's okay to add to my current Galantamind cocktail? (Thanks again!!!!!)

I should also add \ ask, how important are varied reality checks? I know that sounds novice, what I mean is the one app I use on my phone I have set to do reality checks every half hour with a specific sound and text. There's a random setting to the checks and or the same "are you dreaming." I stopped the random ones and just went for the simple text check. My logic is as long as I associate RC's with the sound from the app, and as long as I do specifically look at the text and then a quick check of my surroundings, I'm good right? Or am I!~?!??!

Update: Nift (I think) found the source that says that Up your mass has L-aspartic acid (all the AAs are the L-variety).

I've tried: 1) 1xgalantamind 4mg alone, 2) 1xgalantamind 4mg + 1x300mg Choline Bitartrate, 3) 1xgalantamind 4mg + 1x300mgCholine Bitartrate + 1x300mg Alpha GPC, and 4) 2xgalantamind 4mg + 1x300mgCholine Bitartrate + 1x300mg Alpha GPC

I think I have that right. In cases 1-3 I didn't get back to sleep, in case 4 after HOURS and HOURS of trying my best "go to sleep kung fu", I eventually did sleep and a LD started (actually saw the dream forming, pretty darn cool), but I lost lucidity right away :(

Yes that's the Yuschak "double trigger" method since choline bitartrate and alpha GPC have offset time to peak plasma levels so that there's a longer effective choline boost for the galantamine to enable.

I don't recall if I got alpha-gpc from amazon or from the vitamin shoppe. Galantamind definitely was from amazon. That sounds like a good alpha-gpc.

How important is day practice? In my mind it's critical. Otherwise, you'll have a lot of amazing things happen to you, then you'll wake up and say "wow I can't believe that was a dream." Day practice is much more than just doing RCs. There's a lot on this site about RCs and how to do them, awareness practice, etc.

For best results I believe one must more or less continuously question their state during the day, in order to continuously question it during the night. With sufficiently elevated self-awareness, RCs are just a formality, you'll just *know* when you're dreaming. But that takes time to develop.

But it's not for me to say the supps won't work right away. Experiment! All advice is just a guideline, a starting point, dreaming is personal, you have to figure out what works for you.

Yeah I'm psyched to try the AAB again soon.

Wow, you've been through the trenches supplements \ experimentation wise! But you're right, like you said before as well, it's just about experimenting \ troubleshooting what works and doesn't. I'll buy the AGPC then to augment my GMD.

Tell me this though if you know, do you take the GMD and the AGPC at the same time, about five hours after sleeping? (Obviously I want to be sure.)

And yes, it really needs to become second nature to question your surroundings AND understand them, feel them, to just know. And as I'm still learning I don't mind asking, what do you mean by AAB?

AAB = amino acid blend

Nah I'm a supplement noob I think, really only a handful of attempts, and only the AAB one any sort of success. I'm just systematic and generally like to take things slow.

I take them all at the same time, yes. 5hrs is the generally recommended time but I'm already pretty alert by then if I wake up so I will try taking them earlier (like 4hrs) and see if that does it for me. Some of them are horse pills (meaning large size) and I'm actually concerned about them getting stuck in my throat, so perhaps a small piece of bread in addition to the water to make sure they all actually hit the stomach without needing gallons of water to be sure.

Ohhhhh, okay! But yes, like you, I think going slow is the best approach and taking time to research and trouble shoot as well.

And cool, then I'll continue to see what works for me, but get this, (and you may have known this) but I bought 5-HTP today at Walmart! They also had Galantimine as well, which surprised me.

Now if I read Yuschak's pdf correctly, should you take 5-HTP as a dream suppressor and then the other supplements around 5 hours later?

You know, looking into it more, this really is an extensive troubleshooting proposition, as if you guys didn't know that!:}

What I mean is, I just watched a video of a youtuber saying he took Galantamind AND Choline. But there's choline already in GMD! How much more choline bitrate should be added to the GMD!?!? And should I still take AGPC, as I just read on wiki that AGPC "is a natural choline compound found in the brain."

Or, I just read this... "Alpha GPC is more of a post workout or ‘chillout’ type of choline replenishment agent, whereas CDP choline is more stimulatory, making it better for focus and drive." So if that's true, what is more appropriate for what we're trying to achieve here?

As I take it, melatonin and 5HTP are for similar purposes, and I already have a lot of experience with melatonin. So again, holding my hand here, either of those two are to help get to sleep AND suppress dreams at the beginning of the night so they're back-ended toward the end, when you take the other supplements, right?

Would really love to just organize this in my head, as you guys can imagine! (Thanks again for your time!)

Most people seem to need more choline than what galantamine contains, if you don't then don't take more! Start slow and figure out what you need, no one can tell you that.
I recommend you look up the Yuschak book, as he covers a lot of the background of the different supps and recommends particular mixes. Alpha-gpc in particular has a different peak plasma curve than choline bitartrate, extending the maximum effect window of the G mixture.

Hmm, but I wonder how much... So far I haven't been able to find an exact amount to add to the GMD. But you're right that its about figuring out, but I definitely don't want to take too much either.

As it is though I would have to lean toward AGPC from what you said alone, as it'll extend the effectiveness of the GMD.

All recommendations are just that, recommendations. Again (again!) in answer to how much: start low (zero), and if you don't get the desired results, add more, until you reach either your desired results, or you go beyond what you want to take and decide it may not work for you. The point of the extra choline (bitartrate) is that it kicks in earlier than the alpha-gpc. Get the yuschak book and read it, it's highly recommended.

I'll second what FryingMan said about RCs. That's the problem I have at the moment, both on supplements and without. I have vivid dreams with good recall, but just can't seem to get lucid. If I'm honest I don't do enough daytime RCs or ADA. I'm working on it, but find it difficult with a busy schedule. I have been noticing odd things in my dreams more recently, so I am encouraged.
On supplements at the very beginning I had trouble sleeping, but did get lucid more easily. Now, although they definitely give a boost in dream vividness and recall, there's no easy lucidity.
Ido have a good feeling about being close though.

FryingMan - Yes yes and yes! What is catching my wheels here, so to speak, is that there's too much info out there, and only anecdotal data that supports that individual person. Not to mention there's just soooo many combinations to choose from. Anyway I very much appreciate your help though.

Goldenspark - Always an interesting ride no?:}

What's really chaffing MY hide is that NOTHING is showing any results for me (other than the AA blend). What kind of weird broken brain do I have, anyway :P ? Maybe it's a super strong supplement resistant brain. Or may I already have a PERFECT lucid dreaming brain and no supplement can improve it :). Well time will tell. Or maybe I have to bite the bullet and do the nicotine, which I REALLY do not want to do.

^^ OR...

You can come to terms with the notion that there is no magic potion, and, though these mixes might provide a modest assist to a prepared mind, lucidity is ultimately up to you! Perhaps you already have?

^^ Lucidity is not the issue so much (although it's the goal, no doubt), but I'm not seeing ANY changes in dreaming: not longer dreams, not more vivid dreams. Random people who don't lucid dream and don't in general remember their dreams notice huge changes in dream vividness in response to various substances taken for non-dreaming reasons, so why wouldn't a (I'd like to think, somewhat at least) experienced dreamer? I'm looking just for a nudge, not a "give it all to me with no effort" and I"m not apparently even getting the smallest nudge. And I do rather significant day work every single day... trying to figure out why I'm stalled, and looking for the supplements to help kick-start my natural dreaming again.

Oh. Sorry, FryingMan, I should have remembered who I was responding to; that was unfair of me... plus it's a bit tacky to preach anyway, especially given that I've dipped into the aid bucket many times myself! Speaking of that:

I know you're getting tired of hearing anecdotal recommendations, but can I at least note that the dosages listed on these threads are often amazingly low, and that you still have a lot more room for testing? For instance, on the occasions I need a "boost," I usually take 12-16mg of gallantamine, 10 mg of melatonin (the night before!) and at least 200mg of b6, all of which seem a bit higher than what's listed herabouts; maybe you just haven't crossed your body's thresholds yet? It's likely safe to keep trying -- I've never tried nicotine, though, as that seems a bridge to far to me for some reason.

^^ OK, that makes sense. Although, I had a rather unpleasant headache all day after my last galantamine experiment @ 8mg G, and about 600mg all together of various cholines, so I'm not sure if upping from there is within my comfort zone -- don't want to blow any gaskets! So do you/have you use(d) B6 in place of choline together with the G?

I may try a 100mg B6 tonight. I don't know if I'd do 200mg, there's lots of scare stories about high levels of B6 causing irreversible nerve damage so I'm a bit leery of high B6 amounts.

For me the choline comes in the Gallantamind capsule (200 mg), and, as that has worked fine, I've never upped my choline intake.

Regarding B6: I've found that it does little to nothing to aid lucidity, but it works gangbusters for dream recall. I've never taken more than 400mg at once, not due to worries about nerve damage (though I suppose that's a good reason, huh? ;)), but due to the fact that I am wide awake for the session if I go higher than that, especially if mixed with gallantamine. For what it's worth, though, as far as I know 200mg hasn't done me any harm yet... that is me, of course!

Fryingman - Yep, I can hear your frustration through your words and there's a good chance I'll be following suit!

Sageous - Hmm, so you've had good luck with GMD I take it? I guess I should take it more consistently to see if I need to augment it with AGPC or another type of choline, 5HTP, etc.

I wonder why you didn't try nicotine once at least? N combination with gala/choline is the best inducer I've found so far. I've got gums, pastels, and now I experimenting with electronic cigarette. The more overdose you are with nicotine, the higher lucid dreams you get.

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Originally Posted by FryingMan

What's really chaffing MY hide is that NOTHING is showing any results for me (other than the AA blend). What kind of weird broken brain do I have, anyway :P ?

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NOTHING works for you ..?

Have you tried these herbs?

mugwort
yarrow
guayusa
silene capensis
guarana
calea zaccatechichi

I've had good successes with those (especially yarrow), and I'm going to try wormwood soon.

There's a world beyond "supplements" ...

Edit: Actually, I very much sympathize. I also respond poorly, if at all, to many substances that are commonly felt strongly by others. Coffee, for example, is better at putting me to sleep, than keeping me awake ... Also, choline bitartrate has very little impact on me - if any at all.

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Regarding B6: I've found that it does little to nothing to aid lucidity, but it works gangbusters for dream recall.

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My experience with B6 concurs with yours. On its own B6 has not proven effective at instigating lucidity for me, but in combination with L-tyrosine it has. For memory recall, however, B6 on its own is fantastic. Makes you wonder why B6 is not at the forefront of Alzheimers research ... maybe it's because pharmaceutical corporations can't make any money off B6. ;)

My regular dosis of B6 is 121 mg (never taken on consecutive nights).

Voldmer, didn't know about L-Tyrosine, I think I will try that. About your list, Guarana yea? It contains natural caffeine afaik and is highly energetic I find it impossible to sleep with that.

I'm not sure about all the others but from what I do know. Here's my list of dream herbs that I want to try based on anecdotes.

1. Synaptolepis kirkii = The most powerful dream tonic regarding a psychonautic community. It is also regarded a healing herb.
2. Silene Capensis = In my experience very warm and healing as well. I took powdered form but on the internet it is recommended to take shredded.
3. Mugwort = Good reviews for some.
4. Calea Z = Powerful but not worth the trouble imo. I do it from time to time in high doses it allows me to dream while walking. :/ It also tastes like salted urine.

And last but not least,

5. I don't often see it mentioned on Dreamviews but MAOIs are regarded as dream supplements as well as antidepressants; Passionflower, Banistoriopsis Caapi, Syrian Rue are great tested sources. The natural MAOIs are called Harmalas.

PS: Thanks for reminding me of B6 dosis. I found that I have been using 5-10mg supplements. No wonder it never did anything.

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Fryingman - Yep, I can hear your frustration through your words and there's a good chance I'll be following suit!

Sageous - Hmm, so you've had good luck with GMD I take it? I guess I should take it more consistently to see if I need to augment it with AGPC or another type of choline, 5HTP, etc.

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I think perhaps the takeaway lesson here is that supplements experiments should be done when one"s sleep and recall are normal. I like to try them when traveling because I have the most flexibility then, however also the most disrupted sleep/dreaming, perhaps nullifying effects.

Tried the Yuschak AAB last night at bedtime with 100mg B6, was definitely very wakeful through the night, and had the sense of recall as early as 2 hours, but unfortunately no concrete recall at all for the night. Work stress has dialed up recently so dreaming may suffer.

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Originally Posted by Voldmer

NOTHING works for you ..?

Have you tried these herbs?

mugwort
yarrow
guayusa
silene capensis
guarana
calea zaccatechichi

I've had good successes with those (especially yarrow), and I'm going to try wormwood soon.

There's a world beyond "supplements" ...

Edit: Actually, I very much sympathize. I also respond poorly, if at all, to many substances that are commonly felt strongly by others. Coffee, for example, is better at putting me to sleep, than keeping me awake ... Also, choline bitartrate has very little impact on me - if any at all.

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Well caffeine wires me wide awake since I don't drink coffee or tea much so I have little tolerance, it makes me quite jittery in fact. I've tried peppermint / st johns wort a few times with no effect. No I haven't started in on the herbal list you mention but I have started researching them. I thought the king of LD supps (galantamine) would surely do it for me, but nothing so far. Maybe for me the effect is subtle so must use it when sleep is normal. Or together with rem rebounding amounts of 5htp or melatonin at bedtime

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Originally Posted by DeltaDreamer

Fryingman - Yep, I can hear your frustration through your words and there's a good chance I'll be following suit!

Sageous - Hmm, so you've had good luck with GMD I take it? I guess I should take it more consistently to see if I need to augment it with AGPC or another type of choline, 5HTP, etc.

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Not trying to be a downer, expectation is important... I just want to find something that works to boost at least vivid dreams

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My experience with B6 concurs with yours. On its own B6 has not proven effective at instigating lucidity for me, but in combination with L-tyrosine it has. For memory recall, however, B6 on its own is fantastic. Makes you wonder why B6 is not at the forefront of Alzheimers research ... maybe it's because pharmaceutical corporations can't make any money off B6. ;)

My regular dosis of B6 is 121 mg (never taken on consecutive nights).

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Do you take the B6 at bedtime or wbtb time?

P.s. this is a great discussion! So many more options coming to light. We really do need a well organized supplement exoeriences thread where people can post their experiments and results including dosages, timing, and context (diet, dreaming experience, etc)

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Sageous - Hmm, so you've had good luck with GMD I take it? I guess I should take it more consistently to see if I need to augment it with AGPC or another type of choline, 5HTP, etc.

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Yes, I suppose I have, to the point that GMD became an easy crutch on days when I can't concentrate, or just don't feel like doing so... days which seem to come more often as I age. I've been using it for years now, though never more than once in a week, and its only side-effect to date are NLD's that are so interesting that I don't remember to become lucid in them.

I tried 5htp recently, but only a couple of times to no effect.

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I thought the king of LD supps (galantamine) would surely do it for me, but nothing so far.

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Maybe galantamine is the "king of LD supps" not because it works the best, but because it's the most hyped ...

I have never tried it (here in Europe galantamine is reserved for Alzheimers patients), but Huperzine A (which supposedly has similar function) I have tried - with some notable, but not exactly earth-shattering, success.

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Do you take the B6 at bedtime or wbtb time?

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Tried both, and it works best for me at WBTB-time.

Generally speaking, I need something powerful to knock me out, so that I can sleep well for the first 5 hours, and then I can attempt an WBTB-effort with the works (and the "the works" mostly includes something to knock me out again, because B6, L-tyrosine & Co. have quite the stimulating effect ...)

Ï did the Galantamine reserved for Älzheimers patients combined with simple choline. Nihil effect. These are of the synthetic kind though. Supposedly the natural kind used in Galantamind is more effective. So who knows.

Anyway. I'll be trying 200mg of B6 + Casein proteins + 0.7g kirkii and some Carbs before sleep so... Haha. See you in dream land, I suppose?

Don't worry, my head feels heavy I think I can manage to fall asleep tonight. :)

Edit: Oh yeha, I googl'd Tonic .. So if anyone was confused. I thought Tonic meant : Substance you need to use for longer periods of time for the best and potentially longer lasting results ! :)

Eat a shit load of blueberrys it's acts similarly to galantamine and fish oils (tuna etc) they should help with recall and vividness tho I can't support that it make s intuative sense just look up what they do for ur brain and in general look up nootropic foods and remidies and add them to ur diet valerian root extract another good one try drinking neuro sleep drink it has a lot of of goodies in it just keep adding things that help your brain function better hope this helped

You know, every summer I do eat a ton of fresh-from-the-forest blueberries (which are abundant where I live), and that may have been why my dreaming took off right away when I started LD practice towards the end of August. And I let up on them as winter hit, and my dreaming got a bit worse then.....hmmmm....

I'm on a real brain-and-memory-health kick now, so yeah lots of omega oils, nuts, berries, avacado, bananas, turkey, lecithin (lots of choline!), flax seeds, etc. I thought valerian was a natural sedative though, suppressing REM & dreams. Does it produce REM rebound I wonder?

They say people who eat a lot of blueberrys have a much lower rate of getting Alzheimer's than people that don't as much and galantamine was mad to treat Alzheimer's so that were I made the connection and a lot of new study are coming out saying to eat thome a lot they call em brainberrys.... But who knows maybe it's all lie s they just trying to up sell blueberrys

Also very interesting that you ate blueberry in the summer and had more success and less in the winter when u didn't by no way is that a fact or prove it easily could of been other factors that caused this but for me I'm happy to hear that cause it supports my theory .... Awesome thanks for sharing

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They say people who eat a lot of blueberrys have a much lower rate of getting Alzheimer's than people that don't as much and galantamine was mad to treat Alzheimer's so that were I made the connection and a lot of new study are coming out saying to eat thome a lot they call em brainberrys.... But who knows maybe it's all lie s they just trying to up sell blueberrys

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Guess they have everything in supplement form! Found BB supps and am wondering if they might have a similar affect and or augment the glantamind.

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I should also add, or rather ask, what you guys think about these dream control \ LD hypnosis programs? The same thing for youtube videos that use bi-neural beats, hypnosis, etc, while you're sleeping... Have you tried them with any degree of success?

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Was browsing through the forums and came across your question. One time I nearly had success with binaural beats but nothing really since then. The closest I got to having a lucid with them was when I felt like I was floating. Before that the hallucinations were a dark glow around my furniture and what sounded like an old truck starting. Wish that would happen again.

With melatonin I've been using a half pill of a three micrograms pill, I've been getting nightmares. You could try that and see if it works for you, but I wouldn't recommended it unless you want to plan on getting eaten by a mutant t-Rex or a guy suddenly turning into a monster and then waking up and not wanting to go back to bed. I'm not even sure how I managed to after that, but the second nightmare was one of the creepiest I have ever experienced that I can remember.

Edit: It's the kind you can get at CVS pharmacy. The 3mg bottle dosage. I think
I'm confusing micro and milligrams. But It is half of a 3mg dosage single pill that I took.

Blueberry season is just starting, I plan on eating large bowls of them every day as long as they're here...

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Was browsing through the forums and came across your question. One time I nearly had success with binaural beats but nothing really since then. The closest I got to having a lucid with them was when I felt like I was floating. Before that the hallucinations were a dark glow around my furniture and what sounded like an old truck starting. Wish that would happen again.

With melatonin I've been using a half pill of a three micrograms pill, I've been getting nightmares. You could try that and see if it works for you, but I wouldn't recommended it unless you want to plan on getting eaten by a mutant t-Rex or a guy suddenly turning into a monster and then waking up and not wanting to go back to bed. I'm not even sure how I managed to after that, but the second nightmare was one of the creepiest I have ever experienced that I can remember.

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Yeah, tried BB's myself but as a light sleeper didn't have much luck. But interesting experience you have with the truck sound. And yes, I've taken melatonin for years, on and off, as much as 10 grams, to help sleep. Crazy to think it might actually help with LDing, a low dosage at least, to suppress dreams at the beginning of the sleep cycle.

But yes, I'm curious if more people have had luck with blueberry's as as an LD aid.

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Yeah, tried BB's myself but as a light sleeper didn't have much luck. But interesting experience you have with the truck sound. And yes, I've taken melatonin for years, on and off, as much as 10 grams, to help sleep. Crazy to think it might actually help with LDing, a low dosage at least, to suppress dreams at the beginning of the sleep cycle.

But yes, I'm curious if more people have had luck with blueberry's as as an LD aid.

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I've been consuming BBs like crazy the last few days and have been getting some great dreams despite an insanely bad sleep schedule (staying up til 2, 3, 4 am). Almost lucid last night, I discussed with some guys my lucid dreaming background including my correct start date, nearly correct LD count, and what I thought about that.