Dream Supplements

Before I start, I just want to stress that I have no affiliation with any of the books or products I'm asking about. I don't know if that's an issue on this board, but I'm saying it just in case.

So I've been reading a book titled "Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements" that suggests that different supplements can improve dream strength/vividness, etc. I've been using Galantamine/Choline in the form of the product Galantamind and it's worked well for me, but I saw another product that's a little cheaper. It's called Lucid Dreamer from dreamamins.com. Has anyone used this product? Is it comparable to other Galantamine supplements?

If this is a online pdf book please share it amongst us, that would be great. :D

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Originally Posted by maria*theresa

So I've been reading a book titled "Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements" that suggests that different supplements can improve dream strength/vividness, etc. I've been using Galantamine/Choline in the form of the product Galantamind and it's worked well for me, but I saw another product that's a little cheaper. It's called Lucid Dreamer from dreamamins.com. Has anyone used this product? Is it comparable to other Galantamine supplements?

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Cheaper? Let's compare Lucid Dreamer from dreamamins.com and Galantamind GM-S from life-enhancement.com:

• Galantamind GM-S: 90 capsules of 4mg galantamine + 200mg choline + 100mg B5 - $41.97, or $0.47 per capsule.
• Lucid Dreamer: 60 capsules of 4mg galantamine + 200mg choline - $29.95, or $0.50 per capsule.

So the Galantamind GM-S is actually cheaper, plus it also contains 100mg of B5.

I'm trying to find a Galantamine/Choline combination that's not mixed with other supplements. I'm just trying to follow the book. And sorry, Miracle, it's not an online PDF but it's a good read and pretty inexpensive from Amazon.com. The author is Tjomas Yuschak.

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Originally Posted by maria*theresa

I'm trying to find a Galantamine/Choline combination that's not mixed with other supplements. I'm just trying to follow the book. And sorry, Miracle, it's not an online PDF but it's a good read and pretty inexpensive from Amazon.com. The author is Tjomas Yuschak.

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The best thing to do is probably to buy each supplement separately and combine them as needed. Yuschak advocates trying each supplement alone before you start combining them. But if you're going for a galantamine/choline combination capsule, you might as well take the extra B5, because B5 is needed to convert choline into acetylcholine, and 100mg extra doesn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by Thor

The best thing to do is probably to buy each supplement separately and combine them as needed. Yuschak advocates trying each supplement alone before you start combining them. But if you're going for a galantamine/choline combination capsule, you might as well take the extra B5, because B5 is needed to convert choline into acetylcholine, and 100mg extra doesn't hurt.

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Thanks for the info. I've had a hard time finding galantamine on its own. I'll try looking harder once my supply runs low.

I've got a quick question to throw out at this point.

Has anyone yet found a reliable suppliment to increase the occurrance of lucid dream by almost everyone that has taken the suppliment?

So far, I've not heard of anything that works for the masses.

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Originally Posted by maria*theresa

Thanks for the info. I've had a hard time finding galantamine on its own. I'll try looking harder once my supply runs low.

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On his web site, Yuschak has a list of suppliers that sell each supplement on its own.

... didn't do anything for me at all. Thanks for mentioning the book though. His website looks interesting too.

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Originally Posted by Seeker

I've got a quick question to throw out at this point.

Has anyone yet found a reliable suppliment to increase the occurrance of lucid dream by almost everyone that has taken the suppliment?

So far, I've not heard of anything that works for the masses.

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There is evidence that acetylcholinesterase inhibitors work fairly consistently. Stephen LaBerge has a patent on using acetylcholinesterase inhibitors for lucid dreaming. According to the patent text, donepezil (Aricept) was evaluated:

Nine of the 10 Ss (90%) reported one or more lucid dreams on the experimental nights, with only one S reporting a lucid dream on a placebo night. Cognitive clarity, lucidity, recall, control, bizarreness, and visual vividness were all significantly elevated with donepizil compared to placebo.

Also, rivastigmin and galantamine were evaluated:

In addition to donepizil data, we have data on Exelon.RTM. (rivastigmin; 6-12 mg dose) and galantamine (Reminyl.RTM., Nivalin.RTM.8-16 mg) as well. Both work as well as Aricept.RTM.), but with perhaps fewer side effects.

So for example the ever popular galantamine would probably fit the bill.

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Originally Posted by Seeker

I've got a quick question to throw out at this point.
Has anyone yet found a reliable suppliment to increase the occurrance of lucid dream by almost everyone that has taken the suppliment?
So far, I've not heard of anything that works for the masses.

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Although I doubt that there will ever be a miracle pill that can guarentee that everyone who takes it will have a lucid dream, the combination of galantamine + choline is about the best combination that has been found so far, as it seems to work for the majority of people who take it.

The way that galantamine + choline works is that it just makes a person more mentally aware, after which a person still has to do their part in becoming lucid and recognizing that they are dreaming after becoming more mentally aware.

Although using galantamine + choline can result in DILD's, it generally works best when used with the WBTB method in producing a WILD.

Galantamie is an ache inhibitor that inhibits the break down of acetycholine within the brain. which allows this acetycholine to build up, which results in making a person more mentally alert in their dreams.

Although there are other supplements that can also increase mental alertness, galantamine seems to be the most effective one found so far.

The one problem with galantamine is that if used to often the brain can become somewhat desensitized to it and its effectiveness drops off.

For that reason it works best if only used a couple times a week.

Before taking the galantamine + choline my lucid dreams were usually fairly short, less than 5 minutes, with almost no control on my part, but when taking taking the galantamine + choline my lucid dreams usually last from 30 to 45 minutes and I have almost perfect control and am able to do whatever I want in them.

Great website, Thor. Thanks for that.

When I use Galantamine/Choline it's just for DILDs. I have many more dreams in general, most of which are lucid. And as iadr said, they seem to last much longer.

Also if you're going to use Galantamine, make sure to take Piracetem the morning after to lessen the chance of becoming desensitized.

It's been my own personal experience that the dreamamins product works VERY well, check this post for all the info. (& special offer that brings the price down a bit more!)

I read Yuschak's book w/ great interest. I have found Galantamine to be incredibly effective. In particular, I bought the Lucid Dreamer formula you refer to above. I take two capsules after 5-6 hours of sleep.

I have taken that formula perhaps 10 times, taking it no more often than every fourth day. I have NEVER failed to have a LD on this drug combo. Typically, I have 2-4, with at least one WILD.

I found some of the other drugs he references to be of little value for me (e.g. Yohimbe and Mucana P...).

Hope that helps.

Can using supplements inhibit your ability to lucid dream naturally?

As in, you become lucid dependant on these pills so that if you don't have them it's harder to lucid dream or you have worse recall, etc. than it would be if you never did the pills?

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Originally Posted by Stephent91

Can using supplements inhibit your ability to lucid dream naturally?

As in, you become lucid dependant on these pills so that if you don't have them it's harder to lucid dream or you have worse recall, etc. than it would be if you never did the pills?

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Well, supplements that work on cholinergic receptors, such as alpha-GPC, galantamine, and nicotine, lead to desensitization, so that next time you'll need a higher dose to get the same effect. However, desensitization can be counteracted by taking piracetam after the LD attempt.

So if I was to take the Lucid Dreamer or GM-S pills, I would either need to take higher and higher doses or take something else after I wake up?

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Originally Posted by Stephent91

So if I was to take the Lucid Dreamer or GM-S pills, I would either need to take higher and higher doses or take something else after I wake up?

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Yes, if you wanted to use it, say, every other day. And you definitely don't want to take higher and higher doses, so the best option is to take piracetam after you wake up. It's also possible that desensitization could be reversed by waiting long enough between each LD attempt.

Well... if I do take it, I'd probably do the piracetam thing.

Do you know if it would make your lucid dreams less vivid, shorter, or harder to have without the pills if you do take them?

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Originally Posted by Stephent91

Well... if I do take it, I'd probably do the piracetam thing.

Do you know if it would make your lucid dreams less vivid, shorter, or harder to have without the pills if you do take them?

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If you took these pills and didn't take piracetam afterwards it would lead to some desensitization of cholinergic receptors. I'm not an expert, but in theory this should lead to less vivid dreams. On the other hand I've experimented many times with nicotine, which is reportedly worse than galantamine with regard to desensitization, and I can't say that I've noticed any less vivid or shorter dreams after an LD attmept with nicotine. (I would have tried galantamine if I could, but it's very hard to come by here in Norway.)

Alright... thank you very much for the help!

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Originally Posted by DrTechnical

I read Yuschak's book w/ great interest. I have found Galantamine to be incredibly effective. In particular, I bought the Lucid Dreamer formula you refer to above. I take two capsules after 5-6 hours of sleep.

I have taken that formula perhaps 10 times, taking it no more often than every fourth day. I have NEVER failed to have a LD on this drug combo. Typically, I have 2-4, with at least one WILD.

I found some of the other drugs he references to be of little value for me (e.g. Yohimbe and Mucana P...).

Hope that helps.

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Great information DrTechnical. Thanks for sharing that.

I've taken the galantamine/choline 2 days in a row for the past 2 weekends and managed to get lucid all 4 times, but the 2nd day each weekend was much more difficult to become lucid, and the lucids were very short, so I may switch to a routine of every fourth day myself.

The reason I started using it just on the weekends is that I wanted to find a way to take it without taking the piracetim afterwards, because the piracetim had been really messing up my dream recall, as I was having a hard time remember more than 1 or 2 dreams for 2 days after taking the piracetim. So by taking it only on the weekend it gave me 6 days off in during the week after which it was always very effective again the first day.

I've also had no success with any of the other supplements like yohimbine or mucuna pruriens, in fact they seem to hinder my lucid attempts if I take them too close to when I am planning to take the galantamine.

I'm not sure about the Alpha-GPC. I'm still experimenting with it.