Thanks robot butler...
won't mutli post that long again.. one time deal.. just wanted to get info out there for people to chew on. ....
I've know fools who've boiled and eaten 50 to 100 seeds and they're still around. although 1 is a bit slow and he did spend a year or so in the local psych ward. the plant can kill u but its generally from you being is such a delirium that u walk out into traffic and get hit by a bus as your talking to an imagimary friend or something to that extent. You might decide to shave yourself with a butcher knife or glass thinking your doing something else. At high levels you are in ga ga land and have no control... that's why it's essential that if u use datura especially at recreational doses u have a sitter. matter of fact you'll probably need more than one so they can rotate.
NOTE: Datura last up to 72 hours remember that..... Up to 3 days.
Datura flowers at night, during mid and late summer, the blossoms are visited by large nocturnal hawk moths (family Sphingidae). They are sometimes called sphinx moths because the alarm posture of the larva resembles the Egyptian sphinx. Several species of hawk moths are known to visit blossoms of Datura, but two of the most common are Manduca quinquemaculata and M. sexta. The larval forms of both are better known as tomato and tobacco hornworms. so if you growing tomatoes near datura u might find those big green worms eating your tomatoes after awhile....lol.. by the way if you ever get to look at one of those worms close up do so. especially if your on an entheogen.. wink wink... they are extremely wise little creatures.... lol
matter of fact i've set and watched as those moths flew from datura to datura and then in a delirium crashed into this and that just like a human would if overdosed.
I agree with SKA to an extent though it's really hard to determine a specific dose until one works with a particular plant for a while.
Say i have a pasture full of Datura with really bad soil nutrients whereas my neighbors pasture has extremely good nutrients for one reason or another. lets say we trade seed pods and i'm use to making a tincture from 10 seeds. now since my neighbors are more potent the new tincture / tea / etc could now be equivalent to 100, 200, or who knows how many seeds. i'd be in for one hell of a suprise.
personally i don't like waking from a stupefying delirium covered in blood, devoid of all my possessions, and incarcerated for some crime i committed while in that state. therefore i moderate to an extreme. i was taught by another and through alot of patient study and experimentation found a safe level for state i wish to acquire.(took all of 3 months) Some people can do 5-10 seeds and walk away. others a hundred, and some peoples body chemistry may allow only 1-2. The safe bet is EXTREME CAUTION & MODERATION.
1-2 seeds 1st time. wait minimum 4 days then goto 2-4 seeds wait 4 days then 4-8 seeds. if u find 4 seeds from that plant achieve state u want do not continue. be smart. by the way u must wait 4 days in order to get out of your system. if u dose before that u are double dosing yourself and risk oblivion. i myself boil the seeds on occasion but prefer the traditional apache mashed root concoction combined with a few other herbs in proper proportions. yes it's like baking a cake or anything else. recipes made by wise people are preferred to those of fools. would u seriously eat a cake that an undereducated over exhuberate teenager made for if you? Or would you prefer the cake from julia chiles(in her good years)... if you know the ingredients could potentially kill u?
personally i don't take it recreationally. i use it for its entheogenic effects and dreaming. Patience isn't a virtue with Datura it's your life. Be smart find someone you would trust with your life to teach you and help you. They are far and between but they're out there. Don't just rush into Datura thinking i'm invincible because it'll prove your not.
From Wiki = The word "entheogen" is a neologism derived from two words of ancient Greek, ἔνθεος (entheos) and γενέσθαι (genesthai). The adjective entheos translates to English as "full of the god, inspired, possessed," and is the root of the English word "enthusiasm." The Greeks used it as a term of praise for poets and other artists. Genesthai means "to come into being." Thus, an entheogen is a substance that causes one to become inspired or to experience feelings of inspiration, often in a religious or "spiritual" manner.
Note: Datura has several varieties and is known around the world. A good book is the first one i owned on the subject.
bought in 1980 and written by who i consider to be one of the best ethnobotanist of our time 'Richards Evans Schultes'
- Plants of the Gods - isbn 0-89281-406-3 cowritten by albert Hoffman discoverer of LSD.
http://www.amazon.com/Plants-Gods-Sa.../dp/0892814063
One of the most interesting chapters is the last.. "Uses of Hallucinogens in Medicine" It gives a very good discription of the communing with everything experience that is often felt with entheogens. When the ego dissolves like a salt doll into the ocean. That same chapter has some really vivid and interesting images drawn by people under the influence of said entheogens. it also discusses uses for such entheogens in a psycho therapeutic setting. by the way that's me on the cover of the book and page 13 lower corner... lol just kidding......
later folks.. making dinner for the wife... i probably drop by on sat nite 9-11pm cst
stay smart, stay safe, stay alive..
May u learn from your dreams who you really are and awaken from the dream called life....