REM DReamer works! Sort Of...

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Originally Posted by gameover

How are the lights showing up in your dreams?

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LOL. The subconcious mind is a cunning beast - the ways the lights show up are many, subtle and varied.

Tuesday night I had a very long and vivid dream. During part of it I was in an old area of Brighton in the UK called "Seven Dials" - its where seven different roads intersect. Its there for very busy with lots of pedestrian crossings. In the dream I was crossing the road and the pedestiran light started flasing red - so I changed direction and the light behind me was flashing red! SO I changed direction again and that light was flashing red. Basically where ever I looked the lights were flashing red.

A week ago I had a Lucid where I was flying with my daughter. The sky became full of giant bottles of detergents and household cleaning products that were flying around at random (WTF!!!). We had to fly in and out of them and dodge them. Suddenly something started blowing them up using red lazers.... I woke up - knew the REM DReamer had worked and then went into a nice DEILD.

Often it takes the form of burning bright sunlight flashing off a window. I think when the brightness setting gets to about 6 its so bright you get the sensation of heat in the dream - eg burning bright sunlight.

Police/ambulance flashers are another popular one.

The ways the lights appear in dreams are so varied its actually hard to realize whats going on. hence I find I get the best results when the cues actually wake me and I can then DEILD or WILD.

I keep training with the REM Dreamer. Its good to put it in preview mode, trigger the cues and while they flash keep repeating "Im dreaming, these red lights mean I am dreaming, etc" over and over. With time I hope this will bear fruit.

The sub concious mind is defintely tricky. That is hilarious with the detergents. I feel like, in dreams that are that far from reality, the flashing lights probably won't help as much as a dream where your at work or going to the store.

I didn't do a WBTB last night cause I was sleeping at my girlfriends and didn't want to be weird waking up at 3(though she's kind of used to my strange hobby). But I did wear the mask with the highest brightness for ten seconds. (6 can be too low for me). I again took it off and don't remember doing so. I woke up at 1 though and reset it in the dark. I confused myself with the directions the numbers on the dials go and messed up the settings. In retrospect I don't know why I thought I had to re set it up. All I had to do was put it back on and set delay if it started flashing. My poor, tired, confused self. It's been a pretty funny experience learning to work with this thing. My faith in it is very high though. The nights Ive had no cues were user error, or too low flash setting. And the cues it has given me have been great. It's kind of funny that I was having lucid dreams before I got the mask and haven't had a good one since, but I compare it to a golfer adjusting his swing. He may start out worse but in the end It can really help improve his game. But hey, it still hasn't even been a week!

Success! Heres my dream.

I was near Chicago, looking at the skyline. A plane flew overhead. It was huge. It crashed into the whole skyline then blew up. It was a disaster. Chicago had been attacked and destroyed! I kind of whimpered in shock at something so horrible and at the same time heard everyone else around me do the same. I started running away but then my vision started flashing brightly! The REM Dreamer! I realized it immediately! I looked up, down, up...heard a beep... I managed to shut the REM Dreamer off from my dream! The brightness of the flash had managed to wash out most of my dream so I let everything go dark and then "re-opened" my dream eyes. I then jumped onto a building. I started kicking things on the building. Everything felt soft and rubbery. I was laughing and so happy that the city I love so much was not destroyed, and that the mask had gotten me my first lucid in a week. I then wished to fight someone and practice some of my Kenpo. A DC appeared in front of me. He didn't put up much of a fight. I kicked him off of the building with one kick. Then I wished to fly into the sky at incredible sonic speeds(Something I had just read in Aquanina's DJ.) I jumped up, but not high enough. I jumped again, farther, fell over the other side of a building and "woke up", into another dream. I've been such a sucker for false awakenings lately that I didn't do a reality check. I just went into another dream where I was excitedly telling my brother about my lucid experience.

So finally it worked. I did a WBTB after pushing my rem dreamer off of my loft bed last night. It woke me up at 3:09. Perfect time! And the rem dreamer is apparently tough because It didn't break at all. Everything works and looks alright on it. But Ill need to makeshift something to make sure it doesn't fall off again! At this point, if I broke it, I would buy one again. It's very much worth it. But I don't plan on breaking it! So I stayed awake for 45 minutes, wrote down some dreams in my dream journal. Spent the whole waking time on my computer actually. Then went to bed with the mask and tried to tell my subconscious to stop taking the mask off in my sleep! It worked.

Also of note, I took two 5mg sustained release melatonin last night. I often take one but never took two. I felt so good going to sleep. My body felt ready to disappear and to enter a dream.

Excellent! I would buy one like a shot if I thought I would have that level of success with it.

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Originally Posted by TheWeirdnessSymposium

Excellent! I would buy one like a shot if I thought I would have that level of success with it.

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I think it's probably better to become a fairly proficient lucid dreamer before getting something like this. I would equate it to using a calculator. You want to understand the math fundamentals first before you use one. But if you are relatively comfortable with lucid dreaming, I highly recommend it. Of course the only way it could really hurt is if you let it derail your regular lucid training.

I'm glad to hear you had some success with it. I was asking for it for my birthday. My dad said it ws too expensive, though. I really want it!
But now I know that if I buy it, it won't fail on me.
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I've been doing some EILD experimenting with my mobile phone.

Last night I set the alarm at various low levels and put it in a drawer. Last night I heard the lowest level because I was already awake. Half an hour later it went off at the next level; I slept through it and had a dream about showing people my mobile. The next level was too loud and woke me up straight away. So, next time I'll know what level I can sleep through. I have to condition myself to recognise the mobile (or the alarm sound) as a DS.

Here's my experiences with the REM dreamer from this past weekend.

FRiday night it went off repeatedly - and the lights featured in many dreams. I really should have got lucid but I ignored them. In one I was standing by my PC in our study looking out of the window at night - I was hunting for rabbits that plague our garden in RL. Suddenly a red flasher like on top of a police car started going off. I looked at the flashing light which was on top of my PC and got pissed off that it was going off - it never occured to me in my dream that there is no red flashing siren on top of my monitor....

I turned on the TWC feature again Saturday evening. I set it to high with a delay time of 90 minutes at bed time (I wanted to see if I could get any hits from some of the ealier REM periods). The device woke me repeatedly all night - it fired 22 times in all! At about 5:30 am I took the device off and took my WBTB suplements - Alpha GPC + Galantamine plus some L-tyrosine and a nicotine patch.

I then had two excellent back to back Lucids. First was what I call a mini WILD - where I wake from a dream and remain still and after a few minutes I get hit by SP/HH ( strong vibrations) and had an OOBE type Lucid where I felt myself seperate and drift away - all was black at first but then a dream faded in and I found my self in a metalic tunnel with a scared looking dude. I followed the tube and found a bath area full of women. I got laid and then escaped the tunnels and found myself in a small town. I flew up and off like superman flying down the main street. I saw a young girl on the phone who was telling someone about this amazing flying guy she was watching fly towrads her. I flew down and did some nice neat spirals around her but she started ignoring me. I often find DC's ignore me when I'm flying. I flew back down the street the other way and saw a bunch of guys crossing the road. They saw me also and started waving. AS the girl ignored me I decided to try an experiment and so I gave them the finger. They got really pissed off and started shouting at me. I then lost the dream and woke up. I went straight into asnother lucid which started by my rolling down a dusty embankment. When I landed at the bottom I was in some beautiful countryside with a rocky buff and fields of corm and wheat at the bottom. I saw some people on a plateau at the top of the bluff and took off towards them. I remembered one of my goals (to get laid with a woman I know in RL that I like a lot) - so I said out loud "I want one of those people to be Kim". I landed on top and she was there - no more needs to be added other than the dream worked out quite nicely.

LAst night I turned off the TWC feature and turned on the dream alarm. I also turned the brightness up to its highest setting. I came the closest I have yet to the device directly triggering lucidity. I had a false awakeening dream. I dreamt I overslept and was woken by my work mobile - I sat up and took off my REM dreamer. I sitting on the bed talking to a colleague about work stuff and she told me to come to a meeting. Another colleague picked me up and we drove through torrential rain to a conference center. As I walk into the centre I am blinded by flashing red lights. I was pissed because I knew I had taken off the REM dreamer. I should have become lucid obviously - but the dream was so real with people I work with and so mundane that I just rationalised it somehow. Oddly the lights were so bright that they destroyed my dream vision. Once the flashing quit all I could see were black and grey geometric blocks - these cleared after about 5 or so seconds and the dream scene I had left resolved.

The really odd thing was that the dream alarm is supposed to go off after a few minutes only after the REM DReamer cues - but my dream seemed to go on and on and on before the alarm went off.

Therefore at least in this one dream time ran much faster than RL time??? Anyone else had this??

I am now having so much success with WILD that I am easing off the use of the REM dreamer.

I will still use it to try and get lucid on my short nights when I have to get up early for work and do not have enougth time to WILD.

The last few weeks I have been able to WILD successfully at almost every attempt. I have found the REM Dreamer starts flashing while already lucid. This actually blinds me during the wild and I have to wait for the dream scene to re-render, sometimes I end up in a new dream scene (a bit like spinning). Once or twice though it actually ended the WILD.

IT did also "save" a few WILDS also - where I lost lucidity and had slipped back into a normal dream.

However - I am now finding my WILDS are very long with out aid - and I want to work on retaining lucidity myself for even longer periods without the use of an external aid.

I am still determined to crack my holy grail of getting Lucid with only 5 hours of sleep - and will continue to post occasionaly with my progress.

As I can now WILD effortlessly on the 3 nights a week when I can get 8+ hours sleep I no longer need the REM Dreamer. However - it is an excellent product - and for sure helped me the last three months get from 1 or 2 Lucids a week to the point I am now where I can get 2 or 3 LD's a night.

What WILD technique are you using?

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Originally Posted by TheWeirdnessSymposium

What WILD technique are you using?

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I posted it earlier. Its in the Attaining Lucidity forum. Its the "Extreme WILD" thread.

Spotted it. Cheers.

I'm glad to see some success with this guys.

Good thread

I bought a Remdreamer in 2007, but lost it..

It's been a while but I've been getting back into my RC's in an attempt to get back on track with LD's. The inspiration was a talk with my sub-concious during a recent LD.

I'll just throw out there that I ordered the "Remdreamer Pro+ Computer interface" just yesterday. It should arrive right around thanksgiving-time. Apparently this new version is highly customizable with "TWC"..a way to signal the device with your eyes once you've become lucid..to have it stop cuing you.. good idea in my opinion.

Anyway, I'd love to share results once I get this new one. I'm hoping for results as I'm very border-line lucid much of the time now.

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Originally Posted by bro

I bought a Remdreamer in 2007, but lost it..

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whoa

Apologies for hijacking the thread..

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A little digging today turned up the curcuit board itself, still functional. The mask that it slipped into and the instruction manual are missing but The REM detector and lights still work.

Guess I now have some extra bits and peices of REMdreamer v 2.0.

How much did it cost, if I may ask?

I'm interested in buying one too :)

Well, the first time I got one, their first version, it cost about 147 Euros ..about 220 u.s dollars, the one that I'm eagerly awaiting now is costing me 197 Euros..closer to 300 u.s dollars.

BUMP. Haven't heard any new REMdreamer stories recently.

My new Remdreamer arrived today. Any results and I'll post ASAP.

The excitement of this new version has me optimistic.

Is this the one with thw two way communication?

Any thoughts you have on that after use would be interesting. Good luck Lding, Mike!

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Originally Posted by bro

BUMP. Haven't heard any new REMdreamer stories recently.

My new Remdreamer arrived today. Any results and I'll post ASAP.

The excitement of this new version has me optimistic.

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Hey mate :)

Grats with the REMDreamer ^^ Excited to hear your results!

Also I haven't been able to catch you online last week, I've been a little busy, but I hope we can talk some this week :)

Surely. College life takes quite a bit out of me but I'm going to try to make a concerted effort to lucid dream (even if only in naps..)

Albion, did you add me on Hotmail (MSN), I'm usually on there at least once a day?..here not all the time.

And yeah Denny..this has the 2-way communication..really an exciting development, the fact that it will be able to read my eye movements.. Once I begin using it I'll post. As of now I need every bit of sleep I can get.

Thanks for the LD'ing wishes! You as well :)

Looking forward to updates on this! Don't forget about this thread :)

Where did you get your rem dreamer? I'm thinking of ordering one.

Haha I won't forget it YarJar, might try it for the first time this afternoon..during a nap, anideal time from what I hear.

And BlindKilla Just google REMdreamer, it's one of the first links to pop up; their official site.
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I'm glad I've been practicing Reality Checks regularly with the periodic lucid dream as well as training in WILD'ing..

I think that's an important "prerequisite"..(to already be aware of your surroundings etc.) and will lead to better results with any lucid induction device. My point: you'll have to be looking for the REMdreamer cues actively during daily life and while dreaming, so it's best to already have a solid lucid foundation before purchasing.

Happy lucids! will post back soon, or today if I give it a shot later.

Mike, in your previous outings with the REMdreamer in which ways did the light appear in your dreams? I've heard from some it appeared as police sirens, a bright red sun and a flashlight. I guess the brain does it's best with the visual input to make the image more plausible?