REM DReamer works! Sort Of...

Received my rem dreamer before 5 days and haven't had any success at all. All the nights in which I put it on before going to bed and wake up after ~5 hours to try wake back to bed technic, the device is just frozen and does not respond. So, now I only put it on only after half of the night. The device is constructed unprofessionally, it's just a microchip not covered or protected with any plastic. That's, most likely, the reason it bugs. If you want to learn lucid dreaming, do it by practicing and training your mind, not by buying such stupid devices as I did. :)

It doesn't create LDs; it acts as an artificial reality check during the time you are guaranteed to be dreaming.

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Yes, there are no devices, substances(at least, I don't know any) that will guarantee you lucid dreaming. But, the thing I was saying is that the device is not working as they promised it would, it is bugged. Also, some white substance has appeared on the microchips opposite side of LCD display. Here are the photos of how it looks like:

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8...0827165827.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6...0827165849.jpg

I mailed the creator of this mask with some questions, if anyone is interested, I will post his reply, if he will answer.

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Originally Posted by richux

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Yes, there are no devices, substances(at least, I don't know any) that will guarantee you lucid dreaming. But, the thing I was saying is that the device is not working as they promised it would, it is bugged. Also, some white substance has appeared on the microchips opposite side of LCD display. Here are the photos of how it looks like:

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8...0827165827.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6...0827165849.jpg

I mailed the creator of this mask with some questions, if anyone is interested, I will post his reply, if he will answer.

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Hey
Wooow...what the hell is that?
Kinda looks like wax....or mold
-Sam

Looks like the solder is melting or something. You said you got it in the mail like that?

na, it appeared in 2nd or 3rd day, don't remember exactly. Here is what the creator of mask e-mailed me back ;d

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Hello.
White substance that apeared on pins means that water was on that pins.
We don't know what happened to that REM-Dreamer that water was on the pins.
Maybe batteries poured out.
All that means that REM-Dreamer may not work correctly.
Can you send it back for repair?

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He seems to have problems with English :S Anyway, I don't think I will send it back, cuz it kinda works, just sometimes freezes and bugs and the bugging thing has nothing to do with the white substance, because it bugged on the first day too....

He's from Poland so his first language wouldn't be English.

I modded my mask's strap, so it stayed on all night. CRAZY thing though: I "remember" dreaming, but it's like forgotten memories. Like I remember doing something that felt real, but I dunno. I upped my settings for tonight, so hopefully, I can see the indicator. My REM generated 48 cues, so I had to lower that setting a bit (to 3). We'll see what happens.

My first language isn't English either, but w/e. I still haven't had any succes with the mask, didn't even put it on previous night. Gona do it tonight though...

I'm the same way. I never see the light or hear the tones, but it basically gives me really vivid dreams. My recall is impressive with it. I'm going to lay off for the next week (work) and focus on MILD, DILD, and WILD techniques so as not to get rusty with those. It's a really good aid.

tonight failed too, it woke me up, the medium preset seemed to be too light for me.

@theKing

I think it's placebo, ur just thinking the mask will help you and that's why your dreams become so vivid :)

Placebos don't work that way. It's literally a device that flashes and makes sounds, not a chemical. The power of suggestion will work, but when the device actually flashes and makes loud noises, it will have an affect in some capacity. There is the very distinct possibility you are too hard of a sleeper for it to wake you. When I got to my current settings, I was able to actually become a degree lucid with the mask. Not full-on, level 5 lucid, but pretty lucid. If I was less than my current settings, I slept through the cues, but I saw them.

Isn't placebo and self suggestion almost the same? For example, u give a patient sugar pill and tell him it will cause a lucid dream. He takes it in BELIEVE that he will have lucid dreamand voila! Miracles happen! :p

Self suggestion is when ur telling ur self that ull wake up in dream and try to BELIEVE it as much as you can and voila! Miracles happen! I think the main thing everywhere is believing and being sure about urself.

“Believe you can and you're halfway there.”
~Theodore Roosevelt

There's still a difference. Best comparison is iDoser. iDoser claims to be audio drugs. It tells you the name of the drug, which gives you a suggestion as to the effects you should receive, then you have to relax completely, focus on nothing, and let it take hold. You are still conscious during all these, and almost going into a state that flourishes hallucinations. To really test it, I'd love to take a group of people who claim to have a reaction to iDoser 100% of the time, relabel the doses, and see the results.

With the REM Dreamer, you're asleep. Knowing what we know about the sleep cycle, sleep paralysis prevents suggestion from being placed in there. The glasses are simply waking you up in a light and slow way. There's really nothing different from them and say an alarm clock that monitors your sleep cycle.

Finally! After a month of receiving the mask, tonight I had lucid dream only thanks to the mask! ;d( wasn't using it for 2 weeks or so though). The best way for me is to wake up ~2 hours earlier than usually and then use mask and go sleep with a confedence that I will have LD. Using medium preset, brightness level 5.

Can you list your exact presets? Did you have a full night sleep the night before? I've had a lot going on, so I haven't been able to play with it as much, but I have had more vivid dreams since I've stopped using it for a bit as opposed to before using it.

as I said, using medium preset and the only thing I cahnged is the brigthness level. I set it to 5 instead of 6, cuz it usually woke me up.

Hey guys! I am finally getting back into lucid dreaming again and considering buying a REM DReamer, although, they sound complicated to "figure out". I mean all these settings! how long did it take you to find the right setting (assuming u found it ;)) for you? One more thing, great posts on your experiences too, i enjoyed scanning through and reading some of them.

Thanks for your help!

Don't buy it! :) It's a waste of money and it will not help you that much anyway. The mask is not complicated at all, you will understand it perfectly after some minutes of reading manual. However, during last weeks my lucid dream amount has highered, but only one from them was caused directly by mask. The only reason I lucid dream more because I now have more desire and I work on it more often! Besides, in most of times when I have mask put on I have dream about me running around with mask or doing smth like that, but I still don't wake up. If you really want to learn lucid dreaming, you will do it without mask, and if you are too lazy now, you will probably be too lazy when you have the mask. Mask is not any easy way to lucid dreaming, sorry.

The mask is best if you are having trouble with natural lucid induction techniques. Since I haven't induced lucidity intentionally, the artificial, external reality check doesn't help. Also, I find it works better during naps (when I actually SEE the lights/hear the tones).

It varies from person to person though. For me, I've been to sleep deprived/busy to even take a nap, much less try to induce dreams. Some will be like richux and have a hinderence, then some will be like the others who have had a high increase in LDs.

If I didn't dissuade you, you can google how to make your own induction glasses. I found some REALLY simple instructions thanks to the popularity of Inception, so give those a go to see if you can actually LD with it first.

What is the website that I can buy it off of? BTW I live in the US.

I have a friend that bought these. He already is very good at lucid dreaming; basically what you would call a natural. He swears by these now. He mentions that it gives him the most vivid, best lucid dreams he's had, where he can easily DEILD if it wakes him up too much.

He states though that its not really for beginners. You need to have that basic awareness foundation set in place where you're questioning most of your dreams. The flashing lights really makes it easy to become lucid at this point.

I would try them, but I do not have $200+ to experiment.

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He states though that its not really for beginners. You need to have that basic awareness foundation set in place where you're questioning most of your dreams. The flashing lights really makes it easy to become lucid at this point.

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Currently, I have taken to the notion that they cannot help me at the moment. The alerts wake me up even on the lightest setting, and I wake up in my sleep and remove the glasses.

The DO increase my recall/vividness of dreams, but almost always I will end the dream early with the flashing.

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Originally Posted by Tiresias

Currently, I have taken to the notion that they cannot help me at the moment. The alerts wake me up even on the lightest setting, and I wake up in my sleep and remove the glasses.

The DO increase my recall/vividness of dreams, but almost always I will end the dream early with the flashing.

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The lights flashing on my RD are as follows; 4, 8, 15, 20 flashes. Then there is a pause for about 4 minutes and it starts up again.

These lights are waking me up from my dreams. I figure there is too big of a jump in light flashing. Is there a way to change it? Eg. 4, 6, 8, 11, 17, 20 flashes.

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Originally Posted by LARRYDEE

The lights flashing on my RD are as follows; 4, 8, 15, 20 flashes. Then there is a pause for about 4 minutes and it starts up again.

These lights are waking me up from my dreams. I figure there is too big of a jump in light flashing. Is there a way to change it? Eg. 4, 6, 8, 11, 17, 20 flashes.

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hi, you will have more success if you let the lights wake you from your dream slightly. you can then easily perform a deild

Thanks, I give it a try tonight.