I Am A Creator...

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Originally Posted by Brilliand

I think you need to be careful with throwing away the word every time you change your mind about what it refers to. You say there is no free will, yet you refer to something that could be called free will... you say that hatred is not your own decision but a demon you create, yet in that case the existence of the demon would be what we call hatred.

Certainly, there's an opposite problem of using the word for something besides what everyone else means, but I find it less frustrating to talk to someone who doesn't mean what I mean (but says what I say) than to someone who doesn't say what I say (but means what I mean).

"Your main goal is just to be you": I'd say that's circular, and my point is that there must be some other goal - at least in the sense that what "you" are tends to do a certain thing.

Also, what do you mean by "Rise this fall"? You seem to like using oxymorons...[/b]

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It´s all philosophy and natrual too. Experiancing free will and having it is 2 diferent things. if you have a look at a ticking klock it is moveing on it´s own free will. It has purpuse and it dose it well. Good work mr klock! But if you open the klock you will find what has made it tick away. I like to view my self (and that includes you) as a advanced AI program and a AI can look alive with reaction and action. We created the computer in our own image. Now remember that all of this is just for fun. Just like playing with the thought of deamons and angels. All just symbols of the mind. I have frinds that view me as a saint and I view them as saints to. No big deal. It´s just about how we feel.

"Certainly, there's an opposite problem of using the word for something besides what everyone else means, but I find it less frustrating to talk to someone who doesn't mean what I mean (but says what I say) than to someone who doesn't say what I say (but means what I mean)."

I like this part of your song. But it´s only a problem if you make it a problem. Why is understanding me so important that you get frustrated? Take it easy friend. To frustrate you is not my intention. Never has been, never will be. So what is my intention with this conversation? What is your intention with this conversation? A intention that is clear we all hold dear as we oh so like to judge and put on lables. My intention is to be me and right now that includes this conversation. No big deal.

We are the cartoon heros. We are the ones that are going to last forever.

Everything here is conected. Domino style we live and thrive.

Also, what do you mean by "Rise this fall"? You seem to like using oxymorons...

my body wishes to know. It´s hard to explane but I will try and maby we boath will learn some'thing'.

Letts start with oxymorons: Every word or sentince can be this... or not... if it is sharp or dull we have conditionde our minds to precive. Like a spiral going down to our birth and instincts too. it can be basic like a scream. or advanced with layers of sound. You get the meaning from a fealing and cant explane how you know. You just decide: Yes I understand. But do you realy? In societys point of view you do. But you are so much more then society. You are nature too. Zoom in and zoom out. Get a clear view of the smoke that conseals you.

Here is a poem that I call: Rise this fall

Spring is here and summer is to come
What once began is the start of what is to come
I look up in to the sky and I want to fly
To know night there must be day
to know serius is to know how to play
One by one we rise this fall
We are down but we are getting up
Aprisiation is the key
and the door is me

Not the best sounding poem my I has written but it makes me think that I understand what I should feel about that phrase.

Thank you for making me think...

From that poem, I understand "rise this fall" to mean getting up after falling. That makes sense. It's a nice, short term for the thing, provided I understood right.

While it is true that not understanding each other is a problem only if I perceive it as such, I see it as better that I understand you than that we simply play by talking at each other. Would you agree with that particular perception of mine?

Yes, we did create the computer in our own image... I shall remember that. But that does not entirely match God creating man in his image, as I see it. Smart as computers may be, they are yet impersonal. We are losing something with every generation. What will computers make in their image? Nothing, I think. We have not passed on our creativity. Perhaps if we do, we will see the computers make something so far beneath us that we would never have thought of it - but still, it will be intriguing.

We are made in the image of God, given love, logic and creativity. Of those, we have only given the computer logic. As yet it is only a slave.

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Originally Posted by Raz

But then I remember who I am and realize that if I where you I would be doing the EXACT same thing. I would write just what you are writing and read what you are reading. Just like you would write this if you had started where I started. This makes me feel more ok with the world. at peace with everything and everyONE as they are dooing just what I would have done in their "shoes/chose". When my mind is at peace it is not in the way of my life musical play.[/b]

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But you are not me. Even if you were to start life under nearly identical conditions, your genetic predispositions would probably influence you to make different choices then I have.

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Originally Posted by Merlin38

But you are not me. Even if you were to start life under nearly identical conditions, your genetic predispositions would probably influence you to make different choices then I have.[/b]

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Or in a broader sense - even if you were, four years ago, identical to me in every respect, our difference in location would make us different. If you want to talk about truly being the same, you have to go all the way, to the point where it makes no difference whether I'm two or one because however many I am are doing the exact same thing with the exact same effect.