Minervas philosophy is your worst nightmare and you can't beat it.

There can be no first cause of reality. If there was a first cause. It could only be every cause existing in an infinite chain of causes and effects. The effect would have to be the cause. And all those causes and effects would not be able to differ from the original cause. That is because nothing could be taken away or added to the original cause as it would be the only thing that could possibly exist. This means that you cannot define or conclude a cause or effect for anything as it will continually elude your intelligence.

Every source has a branch, and every branch is it's source.

So, the source and branch are just interdependent concepts of one another.

Never separate, only seemingly so in one's mind.

In other words, I agree...

Sounds interesting, but I don't fully understand =D

For cause and effect to exist, you need time. But.. there is no time, time is an illusion. There is no future, there is no past. There is only now. If you try to measure now you will end up with an infinite small amount of time... in which it is impossible to determine what is the cause and what is the effect. Is that what you are talking about?

ChaybaChayba you add insight. But your question, that is your mistake. Your question leads to an all and nothing answer. I no doubt have more insight for you should you choose to seek it.

When you're outside time and cause and effect. You can make awfully interesting connections impossible to others. Such as the recent movie coming out, and the name of your avatar, The cause and effect of this conversation is the result of that movie and your avatar together with this conversation.

Sometimes the truth is horrifying.

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You can only choose your destiny by understanding Minerva's philosophy.

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There can be no first cause of reality. If there was a first cause. It could only be every cause existing in an infinite chain of causes and effects. The effect would have to be the cause. And all those causes and effects would not be able to differ from the original cause. That is because nothing could be taken away or added to the original cause as it would be the only thing that could possibly exist. This means that you cannot define or conclude a cause or effect for anything as it will continually elude your intelligence.

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So a house is a giraffe?

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You can only choose your destiny by understanding Minerva's philosophy.

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Lol. Wanna go watch that movie together?

Sounds like what Solsky was talking about, synchronisticsm? Synchronicity? No idea how to write it.

How will this help me choose my destiny?

You're all wrong.

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So a house is a giraffe?

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That is a moon jump toy.

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/S...FalksHouse.JPG

Not a giraffe.

http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/UNY.../u20932716.jpg

Not a house.

If you lived in it. It would be a house Einstein. Imagination is more important than knowledge. I can make the impossible possible. But you are stuck.

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If you lived in it. It would be a house Einstein. Imagination is more important than knowledge.

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Somebody has lived in it?

So, Einstein, is the giraffe in that picture a house too? Is the house in the other picture a giraffe? Is the house in the picture I posted the same object as the giraffe in the picture I posted?

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So, Einstein, is the giraffe in that picture a house too? Is the house in the other picture a giraffe? Is the house in the picture I posted the same object as the giraffe in the picture I posted?

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No. Keep trying.

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No.

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Then the original cause is not the same as all of its effects. Not everything is the same thing.

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And all those causes and effects would not be able to differ from the original cause.

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Your point has been proven incorrect.

Just because everything is not the same thing. Doesn't mean the original cause is not the same thing. It just means the orignial cause can be different things.

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Just because everything is not the same thing. Doesn't mean the original cause is not the same thing. It just means the orignial cause can be different things.

http://www.ego4u.com/images/exercises/body-parts02.jpg

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That picture shows that different things are part of the same thing, not that they are the same thing. A tongue is not a tooth.

If the cause and all of its effects are the same, then all of the effects are the same.

If A = B and B = C, then A = C (transitive property of equality)

If A = B and A = C, then B = C (substitution property of equality)

A face is all of it's parts Einstein. And this one is laughing at you.

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A face is all of it's parts Einstein.

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A face is all of its parts simultaneously. That does not mean a face is a lip. Is a tire a car? You did not start off saying that the cause is a whole and its effects are its parts. Do you want to suddenly claim now that that was your point? How is a part of something its effect any way?

You need to cool it with the cocky language and talk about "nightmare" until you can prove your point.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nfv-Qn1M58I&feature=related

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Is rubber a wheel? You can go on forever. It only proves my point even further by demonstrating the unity of all things.

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The answer to my question and yours is, "No."

You can't get to the No part. As soon as you think that rubber is not a wheel. It must be something else. But then you have to ask if it isn't that. It must be something else. You are going around in a infinite circle telling me about the original cause.

Ever herd of the divine proportion?

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You can't get to the No part.

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What? :?

Then what is your answer to my question? Is a tire a car?

Also, how is an effect part of its cause?

the answer to the question is a tire a car, is this. Is rubber a wheel.....that is an answer.....why do you think another question comes up. The question is the cause and then the question is the effect. A question is the cause and the effect. And that is also the answer.

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the answer to the question is a tire a car, is this. Is rubber a wheel.....that is an answer.....why do you think another question comes up. The question is the cause and then the question is the effect. A question is the cause and the effect. And that is also the answer.

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That is not an answer. All you did was ask another question. You are playing dodgeball. Is a tire a car?

How is a question its own cause and effect?

Have you ever herd of a question answering a question?....What did I just do?
You are playing dodgeball. because you will not accept the answer. You just repeated the question without understanding my answer. When you repeat the question. It means I have won and you don't understand the answer.

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Have you ever herd of a question answering a question?....What did I just do?
Who is playing dodgeball?

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:roll: An answer is a question when the question asks for a question, such as when the question is, "What did you ask Robert yestersay?" My question is, "Is a tire a car?" That calls for yes, no, or duh. Which is it?

A. A tire is a car.

B. A tire is not a car.

C. (I don't know.)

If you refuse to answer again, you have tapped out, turned over your king, said, "Uncle," quit.

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We asked the same question to each other. And it was the same cause and effect.

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That makes no sense at all.