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Originally Posted by The Enterer

We are 1 to 0 on the proof department .

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Actually, it's currently 0 - 0.

Neither of us have proof. But our stance (the scientific one) is largely more probable. What is the evolutionary point to having consciousness outside of the physical brain?

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

Can you point me to this evidence that consciousness ends at death?
People who have been clinically dead have retained consciousness.
So I think you have it backwards, but you are welcome to your faith based belief.

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They haven't been brain-dead and regained consciousness.

The evidence comes from the evidence that the consciousness is intrinsically linked to the brain. This evidence comes from, for example when someone gets brain damage from a fall, and their whole personality is changed. That would suggest the person's consciousness is dependent on the brain to work. Thats why scientists have identified parts of the brain that serve various functions, and can remove them and edit them to change a persons consciousness. An example here being that one way to treat highly depressed people is in development through brain surgery.

SO if there is evidence that the consciousness is completely dependent on the brain, which there is, then it follows that when the brain stops , so does the consciousness.

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Originally Posted by Sandform

I submit to you that if existence doesn't exist then asking the question is pointless.

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Actually, there'd be nothing at all. :D

My point is that "proof", by nature is limited. As content, it cannot prove the context of its reality.

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Originally Posted by Omicron

They haven't been brain-dead and regained consciousness.

The evidence comes from the evidence that the consciousness is intrinsically linked to the brain. This evidence comes from, for example when someone gets brain damage from a fall, and their whole personality is changed. That would suggest the person's consciousness is dependent on the brain to work. Thats why scientists have identified parts of the brain that serve various functions, and can remove them and edit them to change a persons consciousness. An example here being that one way to treat highly depressed people is in development through brain surgery.

SO if there is evidence that the consciousness is completely dependent on the brain, which there is, then it follows that when the brain stops , so does the consciousness.

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There is nothing new in this post that I haven't already refuted. Sorry, but I'm not going to go around in circles with you guys on this.

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Originally Posted by The Enterer

There is nothing new in this post that I haven't already refuted. Sorry, but I'm not going to go around in circles with you guys on this.

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Actually you've refuted nothing...

You like to make claims without proof.

The fact that the brain is that which consciousness is derived from is no more unproven than the fact that the planet we live on exists.

It is unproven in the same way that you can't prove anything. You're begging the question of what is evidence, in such a way that evidence means nothing to you. You might as well say that birds aren't proven to exist.

What claim without proof did I make?

*Edit* Besides the whole 'your mother smells like a plate of enchiladas' thing. I admit i winged that bit.

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Originally Posted by Sandform

The fact that the brain is that which consciousness is derived from is no more unproven than the fact that the planet we live on exists.

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That's a huge assumption, especially considering my previous response.

What can everything come from but nothing?

In essence, could it not be the same?

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Originally Posted by really

Actually, there'd be nothing at all. :D

My point is that "proof", by nature is limited. As content, it cannot prove the context of its reality.

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Originally Posted by really

That's a huge assumption, especially considering my previous response.

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Are you being satirical? I think you are but I can't tell...not really.


Anyway, that was the point of my last response. Only if you believe that evidence can't exist for anything can you say that there is no "evidence" that the brain is that which the mind is derived from.

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Originally Posted by Sandform

Are you being satirical? I think you are but I can't tell...not really.

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No, I'm serious.

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Originally Posted by Sandform

Anyway, that was the point of my last response. Only if you believe that evidence can't exist for anything can you say that there is no "evidence" that the brain is that which the mind is derived from.

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Ok, explain and "prove" the infinite context of reality in linear terms.

This is the problem of paradigm. Consciousness/spiritual research, as groundbreaking as it is, already has a comprehensible amount of information on consciousness. Though naturally, it is not accepted through the unfamiliarity of its context.

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Originally Posted by ClouD

What can everything come from but nothing?

In essence, could it not be the same?

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Wow, how strikingly simple! ;) Now, someone tell me, how there could be evidence for this? Proof?

This is why we say "beyond proof", but that does not place such realities in the "spaghetti monster"/"magical pixies" slot! Understand the paradigm! Reality is self-evident!