does the universe exist, if there is no consciousness to know of it? does it matter if it exists without consciousness to know of it?
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does the universe exist, if there is no consciousness to know of it? does it matter if it exists without consciousness to know of it?
The grass is green. They sky is blue.
If a tree falls in the woods with no one around to hear it, does it make a sound? Yes, you moron.
But there is a consciousness to know of it. Otherwise it obviously wouldn't matter.
The universe might exist without you in it, but it does not exist without me in it. Those billions of galaxies are all about ME.
Objectively it doesn't matter. For us humans and maybe other creatures it matters, but for a rock, for example, it doesn't matter. We only have a subjective point of view. So without me, the universe doesn't matter or exist, since I wouldn't be around to experience it. Although I actually believe in an objective reality. Such ideas are very useless, but can you say they are incorrect?
The only one I know of... universal?
Most likely, yes... to both statements. I believe so.
But juroara asked if it matters. And I said it really doesn't. I did try to imply that I only know my point of view and that when I die the universe will end. It makes sense if we really look at it from a very twisted angle. But yes, it kind of goes off into the whole brain in a jar and solipsism direction, which are paradoxical and useless if we actually want to get somewhere.
The word "matters" is extremely poorly defined. The way I would define it is, yes, it does matter, because without the existence of the universe, consciousness would not have evolved.
If no one were ever conscious the existence or non-existence of the universe would be meaningless. How could the difference between the two ever possibly be assessed without assuming a conscious perspective? We are only granted a limited perspective from which to view the world. Assuming that this world we see has some sort of existance in and of itself is reaching far beyond our empirical abilities as humans. This insistence on a concrete objective world, existing independent of our perception of it is truly meaningless and obfuscates the true nature of our existence.
This thread needs a far more precise definition of 'universe' before any meaningful discussion is likely to take place.
I can become invisible, but only when noone is looking.
Yes. Reality exists. The only reason we only see only this universe at this time is because this is where and when the inputs to our neural network are. Consciousness is the result of a mathematical system, and mathematical systems have no location. Do the things in your drawers cease to exist because you cannot see them? I don't see how that position is justified.
I read a book by a quantum pyhsician about reality.
He said something like, if you split up an atom further in the end you will find nothing - there is actually nothing. And what we see as materia for example is a meeting and parting of little peaces, thus forming things.
So basically what he is saying is that the universe is newly-arranged every single moment. That concludes that the future is uncertain (which I find a little bit of a relief I must say) but with an (obvious) tendency. "Probably the more probable thing is going to happen" also sounds kind of reasonable to me.
So, on the grounds of physics, the universe is not a static place, it is in constant movement, manifastation of energy that we can only witness through our limited senses. 'There is more than we can perceive'.. but I guess that is not necesseraily new. And materia is basically just the manifastation of energy.
I still got to dive a little bit more into it though.
:-)
If you split an atom further you find protons and neutrons and electrons.
The position that things not in your experience do not exist?Quote:
What do you mean - what position?