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Theists are 100% certain that their own faith is the one true faith... However, since there can't be more than one true faith, we at least know that most of them are wrong. Whether god exists or not... we still know with absolute certainty that at least most theists are delusional.
Discuss...
Generalizations, intolerance, faith, personal proof, etc.
Who cares. Let them believe what they want to believe. Most of the people in this world are delusional and ignorant about something or other. :roll:
^^ I would let them, but for crying out loud I want to have a president who doesn't even think about mentioning religion during his speeches. Among all the other problems.
You mean... instead of one that God himself speaks to? Common, we have the divine spirit guiding our country. Lulz. :rolllaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
Aqua, I, for the most part, do let them believe whatever as that's their business, but whenever they either pose the argument against me or they try to convert me or talk to me about Christ or whatever, then I need my arguments to be top notch so that they'll learn not to try and convert Stephen. :D
Today somebody walked up to our table at lunch and sat down, and I was like, "Aww damn... here we go." Then they asked if we wanted to join the army. :lol: I support the troops and love em and all, but it pretty funny. Then once they left somebody went, "Almost as bad as Christians." :rolllaugh:
And this why we don't vote Republican. :lol: But then again, all of the potentials bring up their 'faith' at one point or another. Evil people these politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
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Originally Posted by InspectorDevious
Are you joking or do you think they're evil for their beliefs?
True. Makes me cringe these days. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by InspectorDevious
The reason they bring it up is because the vast majority of voters are religious, and in this country, that means Christian. And they want those votes.
So they'll say anything to get them. Doesn't mean they actually are Christian or whatever. Just like Obama. To the muslims, he's a muslim pretending to be Christian. To the Christians, he's a converted Muslim. To the women, well, he's attractive.
To the blacks, he's a black, etc................He'll probably win.
What if these delusional people are in control of your country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
Delusion does function on a dynamic scale.
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So argue about the president, not religion as a whole. You seem incapable of even narrowing it to the president's religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
if ?Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
For a starter, go watch Jesus Camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
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I've seen it. What relevance does that have to my comment? I was suggesting that Mes needed to expand her vocabulary if she had a problem with the President and his religion, Christianity; since she is only capable of talking about 'religion'.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
T'was a jest, my friend. Saying politicians are evil is like saying all lawyers are evil. It's not actually true...but it is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium
Oh, you are saying that people ought to call out the religions/peoples/things they have issues with rather than things in general..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
If that is the case; I completey agree then.
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I think it was wishful thinking on her part. Not an attack on any president, but i don't want to put words in anyone's mouth. I know i certainly wish for a president that doesn't pander his religious beliefs out there because there are bigger issues out there. But it is a quite easy way to get votes. There is a staggering amount of people who base their votes on religion. Oh we'll just say Christianity if we want to be specific. I have not seen anyone run for president who wasn't a Christian or from a religion that wasn't derived from Christianity. (I may be mistaken though). But the point is to have someone be president who is looking out for everyone, not just his/her personal sect of fellow believers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
That's just my two cents is all.
That is my major complaint about the USA in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by InspectorDevious
Two cents well worth it, I say.Quote:
Oh we'll just say Christianity if we want to be specific. I have not seen anyone run for president who wasn't a Christian or from a religion that wasn't derived from Christianity. (I may be mistaken though). But the point is to have someone be president who is looking out for everyone, not just his/her personal sect of fellow believers.
That's just my two cents is all.
"In God we trust"
"God Bless USA"
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You have the whole world at your disposal. Why live here if you have such a problem with it? Russia would probably welcome you.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Why shouldn't people try to change things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
This is embarrassingly ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
If someone loves the US, shouldn't they be concerned when someone else is hurting it in their eyes? Shouldn't they be protecting the parts of their country that matter to them?
Would YOU run to Russia if someone started doing things you didn't like to the US?
Did the US suddenly become a Christian country, or has it always been one. Or are you hundreds of years old?Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
Yes you are probably right. I really wish Christians would stop caring enough about their politicians' beliefs that someone could announce that he was Jewish and not be affected in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
I hope Obama doesn't win, because as you suggest, he will probably get most of his votes because he's black, young, "attractive," etc. The religious bit might hurt him a little, but who knows if the mainstream public is even aware of it. Anyway, all I see in him is inexperience... :? surely all those other qualities won't matter when it comes down to it.
Chillax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
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Originally Posted by Gramps
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But could that be a good thing? Maybe we need a noob in office to shake stuff up, do things differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
And all it takes is a noob to screw it all up even more. Not saying he will but it's a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakjavik
lol........good point.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Oh, they should. That's the whole point of our system. There is a way to bring about change. Convince the majority, and it will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
But currently, the majority are Christians. They don't want a Godless society.
Russia is a Godless society. We have an example.
This country has been a primarily Christian country from it's inception.
Those who live here who don't like that have 3 options. They can shut up and deal with it, or they can whine and complain, or they can leave.
Perhaps if they whine and complain and stamp their feet enough, they'll convince the majority that they are correct. I kinda doubt it though.
It's worth a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
Curious:
I was born in Germany and moved to Canada. In my course, I have never been under the impression that Canada is predominantly one religion or another.
From other countries perspectives (or other Canadians to), does Canada appear to be predominantly one religion or another...?
Here's my three major preconceptions for curiousity's sake:
- Canada; mixed.
- USA; Christian.
- UK; mixed.
What about others...?
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Sounds about right to me, although at one time the UK was predominantly Christian. Now it's nearing a Muslim majority, but would still be considered mixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
I can't help but bring up ye ole "Rome:USA" idea again, lol.
I think it was Howie that would want to smack me for that. *Ducks*
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maybe politically, not demographically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
I don't have the numbers, but I'm pretty sure all three of those have a large Christian majority, with the difference being that Canada and UK have secular societies, UK having taken a lesson from us that we have since forgotten. Though I'm from rural Pennsylvania, and a good many people there have the good sense to know any politician giving whistlestop sermons is a charlatan.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Well, I'm about as American as they come, partaking of most of the cultures that have crossed the patch of land where I was born in the last few thousand years, including religious refugees (Pennsylvania Dutch) and tribal shamanists (PA natives). Not only am I not Christian, but everyone in my family and most people I grew up around have a healthy distrust of organized religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
So to answer your question, it never was, and if it's to remain the USA, it never will be.
Sounds like indoctrination to me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taosaur
Nice dodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychology student
O'nus, are you German? I mean, your family and stuff? :D If so, that is awesome.
Muslims aren't anywhere near the majority in the UK.... .. are they??
Quite possibly. Is he strong enough though to go into the position knowing nothing? *sigh* Only time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakjavik
Same is true for me, my family, friends, work associates, etc. Not a whole lot of bible-thumping 'round here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taosaur
You should follow your own advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
This country was founded on questioning authority, else we'd all still be Brits. Ever since we started coming over here, people have questioned if there are better ways of doing things than the status quo. That's where we got the constitution and our current system of government.
Many big things have changed since then, including abolishing slavery and allowing women to vote... all due to people dreaming about a better place. All people who would rather improve their home than allow bullies to chase them to Russia.
So you see, our country has a rich tradition in those whiners and feet-stampers, starting with our founding fathers, and continuing to this day. This is part of what the US is. And if you don't like it... we'll, you can take one of your own suggestions, right?
Seems to me you're jumping to a whole lot of conclusions there friend. Did I say I didn't like it? Or agree with with it? I listed the options, period. So cool your jets there dude.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
Don't think I need to be taught the history of our nation. Learned that years and years ago.
It's obvious you don't like it, else you wouldn't be trying to scoot these people off to Russia. You listed the options minus the only one that makes sense: work for change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
And it's pretty easy to read where you're coming from, considering the place you recommend is the defacto standard recommendation of the far-right, evoking McCarthyism even years after the fall of the iron curtain.
I just wish people would start recommending Scandanavia instead. At least they have better weather, less crime, and more beautiful women. Not to mention much better ideas of personal freedom and governance than Russia. Even Japan makes more sense.
Nope. Just trying to make them aware there are other options. 'Work for change'. Isn't that what all those 'whiners and complainers' YOU mentioned did?Quote:
Originally Posted by skysaw
Like I said, the whole world is at our disposal.Quote:
I just wish people would start recommending Scandanavia instead. At least they have better weather, less crime, and more beautiful women. Not to mention much better ideas of personal freedom and governance than Russia. Even Japan makes more sense.
I see a board full of people who don't like things here, so my liking or disliking something fits right in, I think. At least I'm trying to be somewhat pleasant about it.
Is there some reason that you can think of that I should not express my likes or dislikes? And if I happen to be coming from the so-called 'far right' as you so incorrectly stated, what is that to you? Where are YOU coming from? And does it really matter?
You really need to lighten up guy. You're going to develop an ulcer.
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Originally Posted by Gramps
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Originally Posted by Gramps
My apologies for missing the pleasantness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
In my time living in Canada, it has seemed to me that Atheists are more secular than any other religion. People are afraid to admit they're Atheist because of the reactions people give like, "Oh, you're one of those people" type of thing. Which, I am sure Christians receive, but my point is that there are a good mix from my point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taosaur
Furthermore, statistics on religious choices from my school sample shows that "none" is higher than both Catholic and Protestant with "Other" being right up close:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=51746
Take a look at your money. Listen to a political speach. Which God have they been referring to all these years...?Quote:
Well, I'm about as American as they come, partaking of most of the cultures that have crossed the patch of land where I was born in the last few thousand years, including religious refugees (Pennsylvania Dutch) and tribal shamanists (PA natives). Not only am I not Christian, but everyone in my family and most people I grew up around have a healthy distrust of organized religion.
So to answer your question, it never was, and if it's to remain the USA, it never will be.
Yes but, I truly feel Canadian. And I don't mean that how some foreigners will come in and wear a baseball cap with the flag on it yelling, "I Canadian!". I really feel like a natural Canadian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
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ok, first of all I am a theist and I am not 100% certian. I believe in god but have moments of doubt that maybe I have gone about things the wrong way or that maybe I am wrong about god. Even Moses had similar doubts and he was certianly a theist.Quote:
Originally Posted by wannywan