No but think about it.
God has to be real because otherwise who are you denying is real?
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No but think about it.
God has to be real because otherwise who are you denying is real?
I gave that post a like because I assumed you were joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
The concept of God is real. God is not.
You look pretty real to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
But it's like gumdrops. I've never seen a gumdrop, I have no idea what it is. But I know its real because popular culture tells me it is. And popular culture has to be right. I mean I didn't think molesting kids could be fun, but can millions of priests be wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
How do u deny something that u have no knowledge of? You can deny truth because a lie was present but u can not deny a lie because u would have known truth. God is real but not in a sense of an image of an old white beard man which pops in ur head once the word is uttered. The concepts of god are mans thoughts and interpretations, the parable of Jesus's have more truth than the whole bible itself. Are those concepts? Or lies? You can deny that because it have came into existence. Deny your thoughts go a head and try and you'll quickly find out what I mean. Because if you had no thoughts to which you could deny then you would be thoughtless, a form of non resistant to what is.
Believe in science because it provide visual data to which you can see and measure as proof of cause and effects. But yet science been proven wrong by new discoveries, notice I said discovery because all this knowledge is yet to be uncovered. You can not deny that because you don't know what it is that you are denying. Much like how Jesus told everyone who he was a manifestation of something greater than himself but at the same time a part of that greatness but they denied that fact. The earth is round that got denied also. Galaxies are moving away from each other that information was denied. something came in to existent and you can deny it because the truth is the opposite of that denial of what is. Like I said when you can not deny it then it never was here for you to deny. Deny yourself, you can because why? Aaaah yes because you exist. Whether in thoughts , or physical form you came into existent . Let's say you are thought, where did that thought come from? Was it a fabricated idea form which society or cultured enable a congnitive process of creativity? It, you had to come from somewhere besides the physical form when your parent were making the bed squeak or the car rock. And even the thought they had of your mom might get pregnant whether it was intentional or not. You came into existence from that very thought. I know. It's weird but think about it.
I'm not trying to convert people I'm just telling you about something. I have no religion just a belief. Not a beliefs of an idea or concept. But in something inside myself that is a part of something greater than I am the same as I
Question your own existence and start denying all the things that you do not believe. You exist Not because of evolution and we developed a brain of much greater process and our mind became the monster that it is now. But question why do u exist now this second and not how u came into this world but why? If u say because my dad knocked up my mom during prom night and not able to explain how the DNA code of a single cell can fill hundreds of book on how it works and how it knows what it knows then you should try to just answer the why question. And if you say you are here just to live, eat and die then which one of those things you can not do with out causing a ripple effect to other people? Look at it as if our whole universe is a pool of water and we are rain drops. When we fall into this pool will it not ripple ? And does our ripple not touch others ripple? Answer the why question? Now deny the importance of your existence. A lot of people have a hard time seeing this because it's like you are looking at a pixel thats been magnified a million time. That pixel is part of a painting and when you zoom out you get a glimps of a portrait that have an endless canvas that is constantly being painted on. Everything that you, me, alien, other life in this whole universe do affects how this picture will be painted. Hard to believe? Then look at history and ask if one part of it didn't existent would it be the same right this second. It could be anything from history even the fecal matter u just flushed. Now deny the fact that you just read this and denied the fact that if I didn't write this you can not deny reading it. Ask your self why that is and question ur existence. And see if you can not deny the existence of god?
Tell me your thoughts
C-c-c-combo breaker!
How about trying to fit all your thoughts into one post, Adapt. You'll get in trouble.
I saw a gumbdrop one time in the desert when I was on Peyote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
I would have but iwas posting on my phone and the connection would go down and when it reloads it would post it......thanks for the heads up tho......
How do you accept something that you have no knowledge of?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdaptEvolve
Personally, all arguments on this subject eventually come down to someone forcibly redefining the concept of God to fit, or be, anything currently scientifically unexplained.
And I just see that as a lazy way out... and it gives me the impression that people with such arguments can't bear to have a worldview where things are unexplained. They need to fill the gaps - they need coherency. Even if this means turning to magic.
Why can't people just remain detached from either belief or disbelief? Just wait, you might get an answer.
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Originally Posted by Wolfwood
a question was asked and elaboration of the question proceeds to define a truth of denial to be able to do accept or reject it would have to exist for you to do either. Just like a thought that comes into your mind. Did you think about that thought before it present it self to you? I highly doubt it. Now if you did not receive such information you could not accept nor deny that. It is what it is. Just like your sig you dont have choice, but free will and what are the choices of free will?. To believe in something is to accept it for what it is and not, idea, not concept but the goodness of all things. Go through life with out ever having to judge or label or like or dislike and you ask why human cannot remain detached from belief or disbelief? There is no waiting there just now either accept it or deny it that is the choice of free will, is to freely do just that and only that. If you accept it then you accept all that there is and all that there was and will ever be. If you like to deny, then you just simply refuse to allow what is to be a part of you.
no one answered the question.
The mind is not so black and white, operating purely on absolute qualitative statements. It isn't a simple matter of belief or disbelief, accept or denial - that's a fallacy... oversimplifying it. It is entirely possible for people to believe or disbelieve things to different degrees and 'strengths'.
I am saying, people should not invest totality in their belief or disbelief just to make coherent sense of the world. It leads to inevitably biased position... making one impervious to reason that could change said position. This is extremely evident with some devout religious folk, and those who are certain in their belief that God does not exist. I am saying this is not necessary.
In general, I have minor disbelief in God purely because I see no quantifiable evidence; however, there are many subjective experiences which cause me to wonder. I am not set in my ways - no one needs to be. And I find this annoying either/or totality extends to morality, laws, and opinions on, say, abortion etc. In the end, I am neither theist or atheist, and it's not necessary for me to build a fortress on one of those sides.
Edit: And I've no idea how the fact I can deny God means it's 'real'. That's just being foolishly pedantic. By that very reasoning, anything I think of is thus real... and we get no where. Do you deny the existence of the Spaghetti monster? Also, drop the why questions - it's a question that inevitably searches for meaning when such meaning may not exist... it's something children do, but grow up from....usually. It grants undue sentience and choice to inanimate concepts and objects.
Dude, what.
Me, eh? I am replying to the guy above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeni
No not you, you popped in right between me and Adapt.
I just literally cannot make sense of his posts.
I'm seeing traces of the whole "If you can think it, it exists" through the posts but then it shoots off in some arbitrary philosophical direction. But really, that's just a strange way to think about it. I can deny that the Internet exists, but I can prove to myself that it does exist, not because I was able to deny it, but because it's right there infront of me. Similarly I can deny anything else, but most things can be observed and then you go "Oh, looks like I was wrong, it did exist".
Of course if I think of some amazing fantasy creature, then the thought exists, but the creature does not. I just... Dude what.
^ Yep, that theme in the posts is essentially arguing that the ability to think of something thus objectifies or reifies it, truly.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleWoman
Lol! What does that even mean? How has science been proven wrong? Do you use the scientific method to prove discoveries that prove science wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdaptEvolve
I ate a gumdrop from and evil candy factory in a lucid dream the other night. It had gumdrop texture, but no taste at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Occam's razor cuts any theory of intelligent design to ribbons.
I could only read a little bit of this before questioning it, How is this reality/universe whatever not chaos and disorder, I've never seen real order anywhere, even the order I see only lasts so long before something chaotic comes along and messes it up, and I'm not even atheist.