Satanism, yay!

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10-16-2009, 10:39 PM
Naiya

Satanism, yay!

Since this is my 666th post, I thought I would post a little about Theistic Satanism and Devil worship. Keep in mind that I'm not an expert, just someone who likes to Google and read things, and who has an appreciation for different points of view. Although I did take an anthropology course on the roots of hell once. ;)

I have some links on the bottom, but I wanted to post some of this so people will see that there is nothing to be afraid of just by opening those pages:

Devil worship is the expression of ardent love, devotion, or reverence (i.e., "worship") toward a cultural scapegoat figure (i.e., a "Devil") that is reclaimed as a slandered divinity. It is not the worship of "evil" per se, but rather an attack against all purely dualistic "good vs. evil" or "black and white" rhetoric. It is also called theistic Satanism, though I would elaborate that this is only appropriate when the particular Devil being celebrated is called Satan. (And as shall be explained elsewhere on this website, there is far more than just one entity out there that can be called "Satan.")

But by inciting doubt, Devils put humans into situations in which we are forced to re-think everything we believe. And by inspiring humans to put themselves before "God" or "the gods," they cause us to move away from authoritarian dogma and superstition. Thus, Devils are not so much "evil spirits," but rather slandered heroes who champion humanism and intellectual power. As the Powers of Darkness, they may often seem dark and spooky; as the "Gods of Godlessness," they may seem socially unacceptable. But they are really only "evil" in the eyes of conventional opinion-makers, who want humans to remain as gullible and superstitious (and controllable) as possible. Objectively speaking, nothing in existence is either completely "good" or completely "evil."

The above is from one of the links I gave you (emphasis mine).

Only a tiny percentage of people actually worship the idea of evil itself, and even Theistic Satanists agree that those people are just mentally disturbed. These people are not Satanists, they're just attention-seeking nutcases. Every religion has them. :)

P.S. I know that the "real" number is that of the Beast, not Lucifer, and that it's 616, or some other thing, so let's not take the 666 thing too seriously here. Just an excuse for the post really. :D

http://www.theisticsatanism.com/geifodd/intro.html

http://www.theisticsatanism.com/varieties/

http://www.theisticsatanism.com/bgoa...ilWorship.html
10-16-2009, 10:43 PM
panta-rei

Lightbearer~
10-17-2009, 03:37 AM
Sisyphus50

Church of Satan: 11 'commandments'

Thems some commandments I can get behind.
10-17-2009, 03:53 AM
AbstractAsylum

I in NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION support satanism.

But I find it rather ironic that "Do not harm little children." is a satanic commandment, and thousands of priests have been accused of molestations and a large portion of them convicted and sentenced.

:O
10-17-2009, 04:15 AM
Sisyphus50

The Satanic Bible

This is one of the most interesting wiki articles I've had the pleasure to read. I may buy the book for a laugh, have it on my shelf right next to The God Delusion and my dad's old bible.
10-17-2009, 04:20 AM
AbstractAsylum

The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

I own that book. ^_^ I also want the Pastafarian bible, for shits and giggles.
10-17-2009, 04:23 AM
Sisyphus50

I have that too :D
10-17-2009, 04:43 AM
grasshoppa

Satanism is actually a very liberating "religion". I'm pretty sure it was made as a parody-mockery of religion in general. Kind of like Discordianism.
10-17-2009, 04:54 AM
evildoctor

The use of the name "Lucifer" by xtians has always amused. Its well known that in Latin this means "the light bearer". And from an entymology perspective is linked to words such as Lucid....

Lucifer was also the name for Venus. The harbringer of light being the morning star - the planet venus. Some beleive that the xtians who of course hated the idea of Pagan female gods - especially a goddess of sexuality - turned poor old sexy Venus into their devil.

Xtians are indeed sad and need to get laid more.

From Wikipedia :

Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "Morning Star" that precedes the rising of the sun. The name is frequently given to the Devil in Christian convention. Use of this name in reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven.[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used of the morning star with no relation to the devil. However, in post-New Testament writings the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil.

I bolded the last sentence as it shows that the concept of lucifer as the devil was conceived LATER. I remember reading somewhere that the devil and hell only started appearing after 300 EV or so - I must try and dig up the references.
10-17-2009, 05:19 AM
Naiya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Church of Satan: 11 'commandments'

Thems some commandments I can get behind.

I'm pretty sure the one about "little children" is a direct reaction to all the silly satanic ritual abuse scares a couple of decades ago. :P
10-17-2009, 07:35 PM
Unelias

For me satanism is no different from christianity. They are all same to me.

Since all these systems are based on something that requires faith and has no proof, well.. nobody can say that their belief is better than another.
10-17-2009, 10:39 PM
panta-rei

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unelias

nobody can say that their belief is better than another.

This is why Religious threads tend to annoy me.
10-18-2009, 01:27 AM
Unelias

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus

This is why Religious threads tend to annoy me.

Likewise. Yet, I try to understand, since I know that those who belief in something have an urge to prove it to everyone else.

It is really amusing. And kind of pathetic.
10-18-2009, 02:22 AM
Naiya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unelias

Likewise. Yet, I try to understand, since I know that those who belief in something have an urge to prove it to everyone else.

It is really amusing. And kind of pathetic.

Hm, well in the case of this thread, I am not a Satanist, as I said in the OP. I simply appreciate parts of it. So not all threads about religion are about convincing people that one belief is better than another. ;)
10-18-2009, 03:31 AM
Sisyphus50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unelias

For me satanism is no different from christianity. They are all same to me.

Since all these systems are based on something that requires faith and has no proof, well.. nobody can say that their belief is better than another.

Actually if you read the wiki I posted, Satanism has no god other than yourself. You are the most important entity in your universe.

Satanism isn't the worship of the Devil. It's the worship of the self.
10-18-2009, 03:44 AM
Naiya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Actually if you read the wiki I posted, Satanism has no god other than yourself. You are the most important entity in your universe.

Satanism isn't the worship of the Devil. It's the worship of the self.

Well...yes and no. Theistic Satanism actually does have gods or beings you worship. LaVeyan & other forms of Satanism are as you say, without gods.
10-18-2009, 03:55 AM
grasshoppa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus

This is why Religious threads tend to annoy me.

Then go away.

And yes, alex, satanism is largely the worship of yourself.
10-18-2009, 11:26 AM
Unelias

Yes, the idea that you are a god is very interesting and for me it is one of the most rational type of religion. After all, you'll live this life for yourself, not for any deity or anybody else.
10-18-2009, 05:52 PM
Idolfan

The Lucifer=Satan thing is total bullshit. I feel like crap at the moment and I can't be arsed explaining why but if anyone's interested please reply to this.
10-18-2009, 05:59 PM
panta-rei

I'd like to hear that, Idol.
10-18-2009, 07:42 PM
Unelias

Luckily I am adept at mindreading so I can answer in Idol's stead.

Lucifer = Satan thing is a total bullshit since they both are imaginary things and don't exist.

Glad to be a service :)
10-19-2009, 03:28 AM
BossBadger

Gotta admit, the commandments aren't half bad.
10-19-2009, 04:40 AM
Jesus of Suburbia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Church of Satan: 11 'commandments'

Thems some commandments I can get behind.

I love those!! Except the "No harming little children" (jk)
10-19-2009, 04:48 AM
Naiya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unelias

Luckily I am adept at mindreading so I can answer in Idol's stead.

Lucifer = Satan thing is a total bullshit since they both are imaginary things and don't exist.

Glad to be a service :)

Aw, c'mon, don't be a killjoy! :boogie:
11-12-2009, 04:35 PM
Idolfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbstractAsylum

I in NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION support satanism.

But I find it rather ironic that "Do not harm little children." is a satanic commandment, and thousands of priests have been accused of molestations and a large portion of them convicted and sentenced.

:O

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They were CATHOLIC PRIESTS!!!
11-14-2009, 12:58 PM
Idolfan

I am actually reading Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible now, I ordered it from amazon. I am only on the book of Lucifer but I shall return with news once I have finished it.
11-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Idolfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Thems some commandments I can get behind.

The Satanic Rules of the Earth are an unscriptural heresy!

I do not know if they are general commandments or just rules for ordinary social interaction. But if "not giving opinions or advice unless you are asked" is a generalised rule that applies to everything then it effectively commands people to keep their knowledge within. Is that really something we need nowadays with so many idiots in charge?
11-14-2009, 01:45 PM
The Cusp
I could get into Satanism. It's so refreshing and practical compared to all the other hippie bullshit out there. I really resonate with that 11th commandment:

"When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they don’t stop, destroy them." Lol, don't mess with a Satanist!

Even the sins are pretty good: (Wikipedia's links, not mine, I just copied and pasted)
1. Stupidity
2. Pretentiousness
3. Solipsism
4. Self-deceit
5. Herd Conformity
6. Lack of Perspective
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
8. Counterproductive Pride
9. Lack of Aesthetics
Quote:

Originally Posted by Idolfan

But if "not giving opinions or advice unless you are asked" is a generalised rule that applies to everything then it effectively commands people to keep their knowledge within. Is that really something we need nowadays with so many idiots in charge?

Surely you know what it's like to talk to someone about dreaming who isn't at all interested and you get "that face". It's a mistake people here on DV quickly learn not to make out there in the real world.
11-14-2009, 09:01 PM
Idolfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Surely you know what it's like to talk to someone about dreaming who isn't at all interested and you get "that face". It's a mistake people here on DV quickly learn not to make out there in the real world.

I take it that they are specific and not generalised commandments then. Or at least that one is in its context.

Now lack of aesthetics as a sin... hah! I have no lack of aesthetics.
11-15-2009, 11:12 AM
Unelias

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Now lack of aesthetics as a sin... hah! I have no lack of aesthetics.

For a gorgeous looking women it really should be. Thou shall not hide thine beautyfulness!
11-16-2009, 07:17 PM
slash112

"When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they don’t stop, destroy them."
:banana:

Haha... Some of their ways are actually good, but some, they are bad, which is expected. The only thing I didn't expect is how there are some good aspects to it. (i.e. Do not harm little children, etc.)
11-16-2009, 07:21 PM
Unelias

Quote:

Originally Posted by slash112

"When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they don’t stop, destroy them."

That's actually quite reasonable, methinks. If they are stupid enough to continue after warning.
11-16-2009, 08:59 PM
Abra

Well, I guess I learned something new today.
11-16-2009, 11:16 PM
The Cusp

I'm joining a satanism discussion board. I like their no tolerance attitude towards stupidity.
11-16-2009, 11:38 PM
slash112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unelias

That's actually quite reasonable, methinks. If they are stupid enough to continue after warning.

Nah, I was more thinking the "destroy them" bit was lulzy.
11-17-2009, 01:56 AM
Jesus of Suburbia

I think I'll get the satanic bible as soon as I can afford it :P Sounds like an interesting read, probably just an edited Christian bible:

----Satan----------------dark---------------no
"And ~~God~~ said let there be ~~light~~, and there was ^light.
11-18-2009, 05:23 PM
The Cusp

Apparently sloth isn't a sin in satanism. I've been waiting three days to get my account approved, and still no response. I can't wait to get in there. It seems like a paradise, discussion wise.

They have no tolerance for people who won't do their own research, trolls, stupid people, self deluded peace and love hippies, the ignorant types of skeptics. People who make stupid posts or have nothing relevant to contribute, they show no mercy at all.

Check out this thread "Reasons I got Banned". They are so ruthless I love it!
http://www.the600club.com/board20-1.html

Bad posts can even get the title beneath your username changed to troll or idiot. This site could learn a thing of two from them. Maybe we could hire them to do security around here, like the hells angels at woodstock.
11-22-2009, 12:23 PM
nerve

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I'm joining a satanism discussion board. I like their no tolerance attitude towards stupidity.

600 club?
11-26-2009, 04:20 PM
DaGemini

Quote:

Originally Posted by slash112

Haha... Some of their ways are actually good, but some, they are bad, which is expected. The only thing I didn't expect is how there are some good aspects to it. (i.e. Do not harm little children, etc.)

And why, exactly, is that expected, when you obviously have absolutely no prior experience with Satanism at all?

And I'd like to know which of "our ways" are "bad," precisely - and how.

Quote:

I think I'll get the satanic bible as soon as I can afford it Sounds like an interesting read, probably just an edited Christian bible:

Interesting read? Sure. Edited Christian bible? Hardly - that wouldn't make us Satanists, but rather yet another sect of Christianity.

Quote:

600 club?

Yes, 600 Club. It's a parody. If 7 is a "holy" number, and the 700 Club is structured around Christianity, and 6 is 1/3 of the "number of the beast", then the 600 Club would be structured around Satanism. Seems pretty simple to me.

Quote:

I do not know if they are general commandments or just rules for ordinary social interaction. But if "not giving opinions or advice unless you are asked" is a generalised rule that applies to everything then it effectively commands people to keep their knowledge within. Is that really something we need nowadays with so many idiots in charge?

Giving your opinion on a matter without first being asked is, quite simply, just straight-up rude.
11-27-2009, 01:03 AM
nerve

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGemini

Yes, 600 Club. It's a parody. If 7 is a "holy" number, and the 700 Club is structured around Christianity, and 6 is 1/3 of the "number of the beast", then the 600 Club would be structured around Satanism. Seems pretty simple to me.

well...thanks, but I wasn't asking what it was. I know exactly what it is and where the name comes from. I'm a member there.

I was asking cusp if that was the forum he was referring to.
11-27-2009, 12:19 PM
DaGemini

Ha! Sorry, thought you were asking what it was. Misunderstood. I'm a member there, as well.
11-27-2009, 05:17 PM
Tara

Remember that there are multiple facets of Satanism. The one you guys are referencing and saying, "Hey these commandments, etc. aren't so bad!"; that's LaVeyan Satanism (started by Anton LaVey), which has nothing to do with devil worship, or worship at all. In fact, they don't believe in any deities. To them, 'Satan' is a just metaphor for human's inner instincts/desires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan
11-27-2009, 06:58 PM
nerve

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGemini

Ha! Sorry, thought you were asking what it was. Misunderstood. I'm a member there, as well.

I figured. how long have you been a satanist?
11-28-2009, 12:15 AM
DaGemini

Quote:

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

I figured. how long have you been a satanist?

For life, friend. For life. But I've identified myself as one for eleven years. I'm now twenty three.