I don't know if it was because of this method, but my dreams were more vivid than they have been for the last weeks. Dream recall was better as well.
No lucid, though.
I'll keep on it.
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I don't know if it was because of this method, but my dreams were more vivid than they have been for the last weeks. Dream recall was better as well.
No lucid, though.
I'll keep on it.
Damn, why didn't i think of that...
Nice one man :)
No coincidence. This also makes you dreams very vivid and memory recall more easily to obtain with little effort (on my part). I didn't care to put this down because essentially, when someone is in a LD, they can just make there dream more vivid from there. Thx for the info though, it really helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by anomanderis
I've been experimenting with this and although I've yet to have a WILD with the method (or even a DILD), I feel that I am making progress because it is becoming more effortless for me to insert the idea of lucid dreaming into my "random" thoughts as I fall asleep.
My dreams have been a bit more vivid and there has been an undercurrent lately of consciousness during the dreams, just not full blown wakefulness/lucidity. I will keep trying with this as I fall asleep and see where it takes me.
So, this is sort of like watching your thoughts from a distance, watching your HI, then exerting a little control to keep it about lucid dreaming?
Do you do this to your internal dialogue, or your HI, or both? I do something similar when I am falling asleep, because I love watching my HI.
There was a meditation we used to do for Dream Yoga that I think may help people. First, you force a thought into your head. Use every bit of mental power you can muster. Force it into your brain. Burn it in. Then, you gradually loosen your grip on the thought. You let your mind start to wander a little at a time, let your concentration slip, until you leave only the 'residue' of the thought in your brain. Then, you just hold this residue loosely. By starting out strong, then gradually loosening your grip, you can fall asleep with that thought still in your mind.
Hey guys. This is very similar to what I'm doing if I experience a noisy or dream saturated mind. The main difference is that I repeat and modify everything that enters into my mind, not just mentation. Turning spontaneous mentation into suggestions then cutting the thoughstream off with silence is a great way to make yourself heard. But you should not neglect visual and auditory imaginary either.
You need to be very fluid and reflexive to catch all impressions, even the most subtle ones, that enter your mind. Think about it as losing your grip on the waking reality by turning inside and focusing on the confines of the changing content of your consciousness. The content will change but your focus remains firm on its confines. Like imagining that your follow a flying bird by having your point of view orbiting it and not looking at the ground or the sky.
If you get anything from this post get this: you need to strain for a state where you can watch yourself watching yourself. This will take you one step back further into your mind. You can do this with questions as well but that's another post. Instead, concentrate on the base of your neck and watch the content of your mind closely and passively, without being involved.
Then when you catch yourself drifting off in thought, repeat the last sentence slowly. If you repeat it a couple of times even more slowly you can turn off the internal dialogue. But now you want it to modify and turn into a positive suggestion. Then you can sort of swallow it down into your abdomen or get it behind you so you can be fully confident that it remains in effect working for you.
Similarly, if you hear a voice repeat what has been said then charge it with your goal. If you got a visual impression of an object take it into your hands and use palpation to help it visually recreate in your mind. Then go for a brief walk. You may need to put the object into a made up environment. But whenever it's possible use the environment that's given. Do dream specific things such as putting your hand through a wall or hover off the ground or tell to people around you that you are dreaming. Then reestablish silence, the neck focus and watch for the next wave. I've been doing this for more than 10 years.
Transflux, you always have the best descriptions of meditation tricks. I wish we could collect them all in a single tutorial, and then just inject it into everyone's brain like a vaccine.
Just the internal dialogueQuote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
hey you're back.
why is this going to be your last post? It's not like you're not welcome on the forum anymore. Just make sure you actually post your techniques like you did this one :)
i tried this technique the last couple days when i wake up in the middle of the night and this morning i had my first ld
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Right, I have college tomorrow. Seen as though WILD attempts make me sleep easier (as they make me happy and relaxed), I'm going to try this tonight, when I go to bed in a bit, possibly when the forum gets less busy and I decide to go to bed (it's about ten minutes to 1:00am here right now). If it doesn't work, I'll try on Friday morning, yes, the morning of my birthday! And yes, it's my birthday the day after tomorrow.... Lol
Wish me look people! :goodjob2:
happy (early) birthday Jdea! good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdeadevil
I think I'm gonna try this technique. I've read a thread that was kind of similar to this one, but it seems to be effective for people so I'll see how it goes.
Gratz on your ld. Same goes for you PaleRider. This tech will work everytime once you do it right, which proves to be no challenge to master because its so simple :PQuote:
Originally Posted by randomdreamer
Hppy Early B-day JD
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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
What Dream Yoga are you referring to? I've never heard of this before but I'll try it!
Yea its like tuning a radio. You can access and hear some of the music( vivid dreams, dream recall) but when you finally get to that station, you hear the full content of it clearly(lucidity). As you tune, it gradually gets easier. You might get the station right on the spot, or it might take a couple more seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot
It can be a little tricky but try different ways to put these thoughts into motion. What we're dealing with is something that is individually different for each mind. Try forcing you're influences or just allow them to gently push. For me, as I am only me, know what way works for me, and that is to concentually without words but a phrase or two, allow them to influence my inner dialogue. Make sure that your inner dialogue is automatically without ANY effort on your part, to speak of lucidity. Your part is to merely poke a small hole in the water balloon so it'll spur out and take its course.
This metaphor may or may not sound complicated as a means of more to think about but really, the method is really simple takes only about 10-20 seconds of your time.
Thats how I would explain visualization actually, I might add that trying to get mad at the radio and tune it with two much force will result in your area of focus swerving back and forth over where you want it to be but never staying there for long :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by malac
Oh malac you never did get to me back about the tactile knowledge you were going to send me, I'd love to see it, I'm on a major quest to lucid dream right now, and need all the help I can get.
This technique worked for me, im a newbie at WILDing, I was really high last night too, been a long time since I smoked, and I was able to shift into a dream, it was short and not so vivid, but this is a good beginnig =D this technique allows me to stay focused on dreaming, you kinda transform all your flood of thoughts into thoughts that are related to dreaming and becoming lucid.. this is much like what the science of alchemy was talking about.. transmuting your thoughts into thoughts that create your intent. This really works..
When high it's much harder to WILD and stay focused, but easier to fall asleep, you can like do a WILD in a few minutes. When sober it takes me up to 30 minutes before I fall asleep. This is a huge difference! I think smoking might be a good shortcut to learning how to WILD. When I master WILDing when high, I am going to be even more good at it when sober. But when high I can do attempts faster in a row, so I can learn alot faster.. success through failure :p my thoughts are also quite chaotic and really fast so this technique really helped me to control my flood of thoughts.. thanks man ^^
I tried this for my first time last night after not having a lucid dream for about a week, and I had two that night! They weren't even chained dreams either! I woke up from one lucid dream wrote it down and went back to bed and had another. I remembered both with great detail. Thanks a lot man:lol:
How long did it take you to fall asleep? If we're trying to tune our brain to be tuned toward lucidity- what was your station like when you fell asleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by burton_bean
Hey that's a great way to look at it. My LDing has gotten kinda crappy recently, mostly because I've been thinking about other things while falling asleep - and it's like the noise you get in the gray area between stations. If I can get back in the habit of "tuning into a station" and focus on the music rather than the interference from that mariachi station, maybe I can be more consistent :)Quote:
Originally Posted by malac
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My dream recall has gone up using this technique, but nothing lucid yet. I'm still frustrated as I haven't been lucid in almost a month now. My dream recall has been helped also by the fact I'm using my cell phones voice memo feature to record dreams as soon as I wake and then fall back asleep for more.
It took me around 15 minutes to fall asleep, which is how long it usually takes me to fall asleep. All I did was turn the focus of one of my thoughts to lucid dreaming just as malac explained to do. Then I relaxed and let my sub-conscious do the rest, while it threw random things about lucid dreaming at me. It's very simple and you just have to believe that for it to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by TalkingHead
I tried your technique last night, and while I didn't have a LD, I can clearly see the impact of your technique on my dreams. I had dreams all night long that I remembered without any effort. It was the opposite of the normal way things happen for me. I literally had dreams within dreams. Its like the dreams are forcing themselves on me almost demanding to be remembered. Even now as I write this more dream details are popping into my mind. And all of the dreams were very complex, so much so I don't even know where to begin or how to begin writhing them down. I truly appreciate you sharing this amazing technique with us. I can't wait to try it again.
Wow, some time ago I had a similar idea to this, but I refrained from trying it, I was like "whatever, that won't work". I haven't managed to have a good LD for almost half a year now, going to give it a try tonight.
By the way, yesterday I read about your other technique called "Malac's Fast Grab", and I tried it last night. I haven't managed to get lucid but I had 2 'explosions' of very vivid HI and few mins later almost got pushed into a lucid dream because I managed to catch something with my dream hands (so 3- that's my personal record for amount of close calls durning one night). Thanks for providing us with those great techniques! - the reason I'm writing this here is because thread about MFG is closed xD!
ps. I hope bumping this thread will help other people as well